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Post by michael on Aug 28, 2006 21:37:37 GMT -5
Just a question thread. Has anybody here on this forum activated their kundalini?
Here's another question. Could you summerize all the benifits in key points please.
Thankyou for you time. I will be seeing you soon ;-p
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Post by osiris on Aug 29, 2006 14:08:43 GMT -5
Recently ive looked more at kundalini. It seems maybe theories are wrong. Im not sure just theory for me too. But i think it can be awakened to lesser and greater degrees at will. With good chakra work. JMHO
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Potential
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Post by Potential on Oct 18, 2006 15:33:04 GMT -5
It can never be activated, it doesn't just turn on and stay on. It has to be aroused, and that doesn't last very long.
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Post by crazycat on Oct 19, 2006 18:09:55 GMT -5
Hi Potential, How have you been doing?
Hmmm...I was under the impression that it laid dorment over the root chakra, until the person did something like yoga exercises of chakra work until it became activated. I've also read that there is more than one type of kundalini. Actually I've read that it can only be activated through tantra sex and that you can activate the kundalini in your astral body as well as the physical.
Have you heard of any of that? That is what the gnostics teach.
Are you saying it cannot just happen on it's own without doing any kundalini rising exercises, like some people claim?
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Post by nani on Oct 20, 2006 8:34:36 GMT -5
Hi all, like I`ve said in a post lately, I`ve exoerienced a kundalini rising since quite a time, but it did arise by itself, cause I never ever do anything like chakrawork to arise my kundalini, for me it just is Not healthy I have found out. As all those "too fast" techniques are not healthy I believe. So why did it/she arise after such a long time again. Only reason I can find, is that I was doing a (for me) new and strong buddhism chant meditation, I listened to some Lamas chanting on a CD while meditating, and there it arose after half an hour, went till solarplexus, like always before and then I stopped meditating after an hour. Wonder if it would have gone further up if I would have continued, but.. hm.. do I really care.. No! Maybe it does indicate something yes of course, maybe it indicates that Im near to open my heart chakra, but finally I rather do believe that my chakras are open or over- or underenergetisied in different ways, as were the results of these chakra test we once made and as is my own inight, intuition or feeling. There maybe some truth in it that the real and final opening of all centres does depend on that it opens up from the bottom first, so that could mean (Im just thinking loud lol) that yes my throat-chakra i.e is open and well developped but maybe Only can reach its most open and realised state when also those chakras lying beneath are freed or opened. Just a theorie, dont know. Potential, I second Linda, how is life going? Would like to hear something about kagyu-buddhism if you would have some infos. I may email to you.
Nice to see and read ya all. I did read some posts and discussions in the past weeks, but didnt feel like posting yet. joy&journeys, Nani
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Post by BenHangen on Oct 20, 2006 23:55:36 GMT -5
Potential, haven’t heard from you in a long time, as above, how have you been doing? How is the Buddist study coming along?
There is a ritual of Shaktipat that instantly raises the kundalini and it lasts a long time, well long time is a perceptional word isn’t it. In the past when working with others the energy of the chakras had been maintained for 8 hours +, also I am one of those that has some of those negative experiences associated with kundalini awakening. I don’t think or see it as a negative or a drawback but they are experiences others haven’t come to understand yet or maybe they are afraid to give in and let go.
One of them is the feeling of vibration, which I feel every waking minute and have lived with for over 35 years. But if you’re talking about the drop ya to your knees orgasmic rush, well even that can be extended to a greater period of time too.
Nani I think your throat chakra is doing very well and your music is great loved that Dao Moody Moon on DB’s web site. Also I agree that the quick way of learning is not the best way of learning as there are too many psychological aspects to deal with the energy experience that comes back to you.
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Post by sxy on Oct 21, 2006 1:51:58 GMT -5
Hey ....Potential, Glad to read your posts again,
.. nice to see you are keeping up with your higher studies... because of you, I studied ,and read books by the Dalai lama.
They all seem to boil down to; overcoming negative states of mind, Cultivating positive states like kindness and compassion were highly regarded.
In this other book ;A Handbook for Living, Dr. Cutler wrote about his private conversations with the Dalai Lama. I found it interesting...!
also ;seemed to help my meditations .
~SXY~
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Post by crazycat on Oct 21, 2006 4:27:41 GMT -5
Hehe...Potential and his many postings on the WB forum inspired me to buy several books and to read much on the net. I'm glad I did go ahead and bookmark some of the links you shared. Potential, I don't know if I ever thanked you, but you have been a big help for me and even though I got anoyed at times I do appreciate you doing all that posting. Can't say you converted me from being a Christian, but I am much more knowledgable about the eastern teachings and see much value in them. One of the books I read was "Kundalini for the New Age : Selected writings of Gopi Krishna." In this book he states that Kundalini is the guardian of human evolution. I first started searching all this because I felt that the Holy Spirit and kundalini had to be connected in some way. In the bible the Holy Spiritis spoken of as the shekinah glory and in eatern teachings kundalini energy was called Shakti. I just figured those two words had to much similiarity not to be connected somehow. Gopi Krishna states that prana is the energy that maintains and sustains life in all its forms. This prana is the Holy Spirit and it is responsible for all the phenomena of life, even our intelligence. (I'm quoting this from this book) In the normal conditions, prana keeps us tied to this world, just like normal human beings. In this normal condition, prana enables us to function with our thoughts and feelings in a normal way. But when it is aroused, then it's attempt is to change this average mortal into a superhuman being with a transcendental state of consciousness. And it achieves this purpose by transforming the brain and the nervous system as well as the internal organs.....this energy is made up of both light and sound. So from this I understand that in the normal state this prana energy is the Holy Spirit/shekinah glory and when it is aroused it become the kundalini/shakti [energy]of shiva [universal consciousness]. He goes on to state there is two phases to spiritual rebirth. The first is when the energy is working to adjust the organs and the brain to the new condition. If one forces farther awakening before this is done it can cause either insanity or death. In the beginning stages, the flow of this energy into the brain creates such an irritation of the nervous system that there are constant orgasms going one inward. There is a battle between the energy and organs/nerves until they are subdued. He said after that period was over the energy would rise on it's own even while he was asleep, but it was soothing to him at that point. That all was taken from just a few pages of the book.
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Post by sxy on Oct 22, 2006 6:23:48 GMT -5
Sure reads ,and seems to me to be one and the same ; Holy Spirit/shekinah glory >kundalini/shakti
WOW thats cool ,... I now want to read this book; as if I don't have enough to read ,thank Crazycat !
lol.....
~SXY~
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Post by nani on Oct 22, 2006 15:33:51 GMT -5
Hi All, Ben, I may express a bit better in saying its not that I generally do find kundalini-work dangerous but I just do warn (mostly younger) people who never did one meditation in their whole life to start with that- maybe cause it was one of my first practises when I was very young. Now after decades of all kind of energy-work though I would be interested to hear some more, or practise something in this direction. Im just on the way to practise some kagyu but these practises are more around death-bardo. I dont wonna confuse myself with too many different new techniques now, but as through these new practises my kundalini reacted by itself it could be a hint to go and help it further. So can you tell or give some link about this Shaktipat Oh and thanx for your compliment :-) Ah and one more thing, did you mean to talk about Tantra also? Linda, sounds very reasonable and expressive what you`ve posted out of the book. I may should get it, but as SXY said, pouhh so many un-read books yet at the moment, and to be true I rather would love to have something I directly could start with, a shorter kind of essence of practical description and lesson. greetings to all, j&j Nani
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Post by osiris on Oct 22, 2006 17:45:33 GMT -5
If you want to use kundalini may i recommend Krishna? Kundalini energy is touchy but if you feed yourself well it will come rise up more powerful and more often. If you dont already work with your chakra its all but a waste of time to even contemplate kundalini though.
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Post by nani on Oct 23, 2006 8:10:54 GMT -5
hi Osiris, I dont wonna sound arrogant but all that Qigong-work Im doing since years I guess is quite the same strong if not stronger as any kundalini work, but advantageous I find is that it isnt that free in use, I perceive Qigong much more leaded and experienced as these are very ancient and proved techniques- in contrary to kundalini-work which often is done or teached by western people in an un-responsible way. Apart of that I agree to what SXY stated, namely that this energy-work-terms are all finally talking about the same, but still its depending all on a clear way of use. So but maybe I dont understand what you really meant. Can you explain again please, or give some link/advice where to find concrete techniques? J&J Nani
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Post by osiris on Oct 23, 2006 15:24:27 GMT -5
I dont really know much about qi-gong except what ive heard here. From what ive gathered it is the same practice as kundalini. I believe true practic of kundalini is paying attention to yourself and practice with all energies. Kundalini comes to those who are ready. Yes many western ways are sort of barbaric or forced. But we have come a long ways and continue to get better. The focus of the third eye greatly enhances the quality of what you get from kundalini and so does almost any yoga and some meditations. Unfortunatly i have long ago gotten rid of any links and just have a few books on kundalini. I have found my own path always works best no matter what i read. And for energy well there is so much that the some what dangerious practices involved with kundalini are not needed. On occasion when i am very focussed i get the slithering feeling and the rolling of my spine that indicates that its still around if i choose. i find the energy from stalking and from alchemy to be very powerful and indeed much more controlable than kundalini.
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Post by BenHangen on Oct 23, 2006 21:53:08 GMT -5
Nani I truly don’t want to seem arrogant in this statement but qi-gong is but a child to the goddess Kundalini. I know that seems argumentative to the maximum but I can find links that show that relation and will post them later but for now I am stressed for time. I had this fantastic reply as you said if I were talking about tantra? If you go back to the beginnings of the tantric ways and not the New Age Tantric ways then it would be yes. Because of time I have some copy material with links. From what I have learned I would say that I am Shakti, which is the energy of the will. I do have a lot more to say about this and at a later time I will complete my thoughts in a comprehensible manner. Kundalini is the personification of the female energy at the creation level. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShaktiThe various uses of the word Shakti range from a means of signifying the ultimate primordial creative power to expressing the capacity or power of words to convey meaning. Etymologically it is derived from the root 'shak,' meaning potency or the potential to produce, an assertion of Her inherent creative aptitude. All interpretations of the word 'shakti' hold common one parameter, namely power. Specifically, Shakti means power, force and feminine energy. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShaktipatShaktipat or Shaktinipata is a Sanskrit word that refers to the act of a guru or spiritual teacher conferring a form of spiritual "power" or awakening on a disciple/student. "Shakti" translates as energy and "pat" as touch. Shaktipat can be carried out by the spiritually enlightened master either by transmission of sacred word or mantra, a look, a thought or by touch. The touch is usually given to the ajna chakra or third eye of the disciple. www.siddhayoga.org/teachings/shaktipat/shaktipat.htmlSpiritual awakening, or shaktipat, lies at the heart of the mystical journey. This infusion of energy from the spiritual master to the seeker brings about the awakening of the seeker's own inherent spiritual power, called kundalini. Shaktipat is described by the yogic texts as an initiation that activates an inner unfolding of awareness that leads to progressively higher states of consciousness. Over time, through grace and our efforts in spiritual practice, the sense of separation from divinity drops away. We come to recognize the presence of God in ourselves and in the world around us. We experience the world as a play of God's energy. As spiritual seekers, we celebrate the day of initiation as the greatest gift. We invite you to experience this for yourself. Shaktipat is made available in the Siddha Yoga Intensives, held in locations all around the world. For a schedule of upcoming Intensives, please see the Intensives or Retreats sections. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tantra#_note-2Tantra (Sanskrit: "weave" denoting continuity[1]), tantric yoga, or tantrism is one of any several esoteric traditions rooted in the religions of India. "Tantra is that Asian body of beliefs and practices which, working from the principle that the universe we experience is nothing other than the concrete manifestation of the divine energy of the godhead that creates and maintains that universe, seeks to ritually appropriate and channel that energy, within the human microcosm, in creative and emancipatory ways." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShaktismShaktism as we know it today developed between the 4th and the 7th centuries CE in India. It was during this development that the many religious texts, known as the Tantras, were written. In a certain sense, one could consider oneself a Shakta (a devotee of Shakti), a Shaiva (a devotee of Shiva), and a Vaishnava (a devotee of Vishnu) all at the same time. In Hinduism, Shakti is an aspect of Devi, and a personification of God as the Divine Mother who represents the active, dynamic principles of feminine power. In Shaktism, Shakti is worshiped as the Supreme Being. Alternatively, in other Hindu traditions, Shakti represents the power of God, called Vishnu or Shiva. For Vaishnavites, God's power or Shakti is Lakshmi. For Shaivites, God's power is Parvati. www.kundalini-teacher.com/goddess.htmlwww.kundalini-teacher.com/lessons/fst.htmlwww.cit-sakti.com/kundalini/kundalini-manifestations.htmwww.reiki-for-holistic-health.com/kundaliniawakening.htmlVedic Astrology: www.astroamerica.com/v-defouw.html
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Post by nani on Oct 24, 2006 8:35:10 GMT -5
Osiris, thanx for your reply. I know we have talked about stalking often here at the forum, but would you like to explain again how you make use of that. And what you mean by "alchemy"? I know this term, but never saw it used as a energy-technique. If you feel like you could open a new thread or answer here- in any case I would be interested to hear more about.
Ben, boing lol, that was a good statement at the beginning, not arrogant, but just totally straight- I have no problems with that, rather really like it :-) and whoooo hooo what a lot of links and informative stuff, thanx a lot for that! I guess I`ll need and better take some time for work myself through all that. So it seems you are really walking this kundalini-path since a long time with accordingly rich experiences and spiritual-success, right!?!
j&j, Nani
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Post by nani on Oct 24, 2006 10:49:58 GMT -5
WOW all these infos pouhhhh hey thats amazing !!! Okay have to read many more times.. aaand hope to dont get too confused.. lol.. as a lot of terms and descriptions do have similarities to other techniques and philosophies, like this "tummo fire" god what a coincidence cause Im just going into this "powha" from the tibetan Kaghü thing and tummo is a part of that, and truly I immediately felt warmth specially in my hands yet soon after I`d start to read the text. Ohhh but all thats a real lot my lord. Ah and what I like very much is this sign below all which says: caution is recommended! very good! I would love to read all that in german, that would be a bit more easy and clear for me I guess. Okay now I first did cross-read of all a bit, can not say yet how all that is in coherence with each other. Ben, can you explain a bit how you did come to be a part of all that? And which part? Are you practising all that? J&J Nani
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Post by osiris on Oct 24, 2006 14:04:14 GMT -5
The study of alchemy is summed up simply be living in the present. Sort of a meditation that is more involved with life than sitting with your eyes closed. Its turning lead into gold. If you follow a path that believes all of life can be a controlled meditation and that we live way to fast and with way to much going through our heads all the time than you practice alchemy. Of course there is much more depth but without writing a book that explains it well. Kundalini is mearly another name for finding balance. If you practice to use both sides of your brain ( feminine and masculine) it leads to small advances in you and will eventually awaken the unused (unbalanced) energies in you. Most people i think make way to big of deal about this. Just realize that we are made from both sexes no matter if we are female or male. Thats one reason tantra comes into play sooo much with kundalini. Kundalini does not need awakened it mearly needs balance. Balance does not come easy because it includes balance in life but also balance with the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Its true if you dont have balance because you are a sexual deviant or because you have some other issues brought on by just growing up in this world. Materialism, warmongering, fear, gluttony All these make for an inbalance. The trinity must be in balance mind, body, spirit, Life must be balanced. This is the KEY this is what is so hard to accomplish. Thats why i find my path going in a neutral direction. I find that neutrality is rare but it fits me well. But it also makes the "game" much harder. www.granta.demon.co.uk/arsm/jg/tris.htmlwww.sacred-texts.com/alc/index.htm
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Post by nani on Oct 24, 2006 18:24:47 GMT -5
Osiris, honestly what you say sounds like you are talking about me, like I used to understand and go through my life, all my life, kind of neutral, interested into all different views on the magic of life which do exist. I always called it my daoistic-path, cause in daoism I found myself and my way to treat all this openly most reflected. Especially in the daoistic statement to live and be in the `here and now` as the most precious guide which can be given. And also care for all signs, symbols, events and synchronicities which reflect what Is and give hints how to go on further or to digest and understand whatever may have happened. Im still following this kind of open path, and I guess that I never gone leave it cause its just authentic, at least for me. Though a certain sign-chain has appeared to cross my way over and over, hard to overlook, connected to all those changes lately, through death, growth and self-reflection that has lead me to stumble upon that kundalini-thing and also this buddhism kaghu. I asked myself what I - after I had studied and practised many kinds of all that in the far past - should do with that, it was a question like: am I asked to go to school again like a pupill, god I went through all that already, that can not be. Then I found out something about myself, or at least I got a critical view upon myself, that was if I would feel too enlightened or too educated yet to re-learn or to get to know something again, but totally new, from a new point of where I am nowadays in contrary to previous years, to treat something old and known in a new and presently way. Also questions occured like: was it arrogance which did lead me to never be a part of any mass/group, or was it even un-flexibility which keeps me stuck on my own so very own un-settled unique way- this I had to ask myself, lately. I dont talk about anybody else than me. So I found out that at least it would be a great prove for myself and my integrity to go into some specified practise, even again, like if I never would have heard or practised anything like that before- but which istn easy cause I tend to compare all the time this and that and all systems lol I know since decades, but anyways it seems worth it. So what I wonna say is, I dont believe that I ever will overestimate a certain path or technique or group or anything, its rather that I was soo lucky all my life in doing the right thing which was following those present path-hints, and if it only was for a specified time or for a special goal, that now I feel I should go into that what had arisen. So, I understand you very well in what you`re saying I feel, and I totally agree to all you`ve said especially when I look around and so often see that a path is choosed before the own inner self is asked or developped or focused on, cause it definitely Is our own Inner Self which can be our true "master" only. You say neutrality does make the "game" much harder, true, this I can subscribe, but you know how it feels to only do so like you are a part of or convinced of something special cause you wonna integrate, learn and experience that too.... thats a huge challenge hey.. not only for the self-consciousness, also for ego, who all the time wants to chatter and stop others telling what you know already LOL, Im talking still only about myself, not offending anybody else. On the other hand I dont like to do things halfway, but as Im how I am I also can admit that I a kind of naturally admire people who are going a straight, intense and lets say clear, narrow directed path. And as one thing is my major-philosphical-task: "be a beginner-spirit forever" I now decided to follow those lines. So now I try to forget anything I knew or did about kundalini, cause it called me by itself while I did this kaghü-dying-technique which I "have to" learn without knowing why I have to. Thank you for the great links, it was what I assumed you meant, I always loved the myth-archetype-figure hermes trismegistos, the intermediary and messenger between god and men, between higher self and ego, between all the poles of duality finally. And to read about Alchemy again makes me feel really old cause I realise that I unfortunately have forgotten almost all what I once did read and even work with so excited and ambitiously. But what is really a big disadvantage I now have is that I could not get any entrance into the world of shamanism- what you are talking about in the other threat. And I have tried so hard to understand and get used to the practise with the asamblage point and all this, but unfortunately this door somehow is closed for me. Dont understand why, cause I always felt very attracted to and some time ago here at the forum I had all help which one could get. Maybe because of these anorganic beings which did somehow scare me or at least I didnt feel any possibility to controll them, so I rather turned away from that. So some path`s are not on the own path it seems. Or maybe just a question of time.. or incarnation.. ? Thanx again! J&J Nani
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Post by osiris on Oct 25, 2006 17:05:39 GMT -5
Remember Carlos Castaneda's path was his own also. Use what he teaches but not his "encounters". Much of what is learned especially in shaminism is only ones own interpretation. I feel the only things that would need to be followed very close in that path would be with allies (drugs) just because they have such a huge impact on us and are so closely linked to this plane. I have gone the round about way and chosen other things as allies like crystals and strong alcohols. Just to avoid any problems with illegality.
Shaminism in the present day (if you have interest still) i feel is best learned by more modern and updated materials as Robert Moss. Dont forget you roots. Dont ever forget the things that brought you to this way of life. Even the most simple and often forgotten lessons are usually just warm up for the larger investmants we plan to make. example; I use the aura because it is common and easy to follow. The aura and seeing it is very basic and very simple to accomplish with little time. But if you study about it begin to see the way things should be seen than get bored (like i would) and move on you have accomplished nothing. The aura is used later for many important things. Like finding out if dreams are the real deal or just imaginative. The basics even for a seasoned person are the roots of it all. Whenever someone i have helped out has issues and is getting bogged down or not makeing any headway. I always have them go back again and again. We are after all working on what is the root of the problem. And that is that we cannot concentrate and we cannot focus. even when useing the materials that help us to get over these things it still occurs we still have problems with the exact studies that are going to get us beyond. Shaminism is not for all people. But if you feel a conection than maybe its time to try some differant routes. My hardest job (for myself) is to keep interest in one area long enough to get anywhere. Thank god that he made some things come so naturally for me that i can pick it up get bored like i always do and still ive gone far enough to realize that some things are just way to important to let go. I think thats why i have issues with dreaming. Its a life long deal and if i dont see results i get bored and move on. Now i have realized that it is the tap root it is the most important of all. So (only i can do this for me) i examine it very close. I see what it is that keeps me interested and i focus and force myself forward. There are very few things important enough to do this with dreaming, energy and meditation are on that list. No matter how in the clouds or involved with earthly things i become i never leave those 3 behind. Not now not after so much effort. Energy will allow you to utilize the abilities that we realize as "mystical", dreaming will bring those to fruitation, and meditation allows us to dream (and much more of course) regularly. Ok ive rambled on so long i dont remember the topic. so best wishes for you and hope to see you around much more...
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Post by osiris on Oct 25, 2006 17:31:00 GMT -5
Now that i took the topic way off i feel the need to drag it back...lol Simple and sweet Kundalini can be brought about more often with very high levels of concentration on the third eye,focus on spinal energies and there connections through the body (everything pretty much), practice with keeping balance in the brain and in life and with the trinity, And studies of energy all over the body assemblage point, chakra, pressure points (smaller more concentrated chakra is a good way to look at these), and very importantly we have to be outside of the box we have to see everything dont be a part of what is going on, create it all around you. Keep your energies high and make other people realize that spirit is somuch more than an hour at church every week (if even that). This last one is important. The more belief and the more focus the world has the more we will control what happens here on earth. If we all were to reach the goals we have how amazing would that be? What would you do? would you take advantage of it as we have done with all here on earth? Or would you share what you can with anyone that will listen and even those that wont? Its time for us to make people understand. Religion is not doing it and the government sure as he11 is not. So? Remember spirit was never meant to be a ME thing its all about US. The less that believe and the less that understand the less control we will have. Religion has failed miserably (sorry but its true) at opening up to the fact we are so much more than flesh and blood. As i have said in a million or more posts one persons thinking is powerful but millions thinking are what make the physical world what is is right now. It can be detrimental because the gov already knows this and sways every damned thing we think with tv and well you know the drill. Or it could be good because too many of us are going to "wake up" and take control just by the power of our presence and thinking. Kundalini is that it is the controling influence the human has on his or her surroundings. And so now you see why its always said to be the most powerful energy ? Dont be fooled not all is as it seems. The serpant awakening is simple. Combine your astral and the present physical being make things happen while awake and while asleep. You can we all can. The feminine side and the masculine the mother and the father, Mother earth and the father. You know after all this today im begining to get my breath energy back into focus...yaaaa. Thinking must occur beyond the body...your concious can reside anywhere.
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