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Post by nani on Oct 26, 2006 9:27:57 GMT -5
great posts Osiris, or if you want so great rambling post hehe! I mean we shouldnt cut off all else what belongs to those themes too, and loool what I loved too was.. dont remember the topic..heheheheh, how dry and boring would this world and themes be without such humor :-). about allies: I`d rather understood them as astral-beings from the other-world, as kind of helper/guides...? about aura: can you specify how you`re working with aura. about importance of roots: totally agreement. have to correct my speech a bit about shamanism: seems like I use lots of different techniques which are supposed to arise from shamanism, which are i.e drumming and dancing, but what I meant to say was more that I had problems with the speech of CC (and like I`ve said with figueres like anorganic beings and such - like which is my only same problem refering to kaghü buddhism, cause there also some figueres namely monster-gods are playing a certain role, in which I just dont believe, respectively have overcome this stupid believe - as I`ve realized that all - even bardo - finally is a creation of mind, and maybe one of my basic roots also is being a rebell of any fear-systems ;-)) I`ll have a look upon that Robert Moss, thanx! what means Tap (root)? cant find right translation. three legs of growth- energy, meditation and dreaming/obeing: totally agree.
would you please give me (one more chance for me lol) another explanation for assemblage-point?! and maybe what you think with what it would correlate, lets say in comparison with the kundalini (hence indian) terminology. Or even in coherence to the buddhitic terminology, where we i.e in Zen have a Hara/Dantien the will-centre. Does it correlate somehow (in your opinion) at all? Or do you see it as a totally other system? But then, how comes that shamans would have that source of precious enlightenment i.e. AP and others not? Or isnt it rather all an allegory of all the same- just effect and appearences of energy/consciousness? about that we create this physical world with all our thoughts: fully agreement. Ha and wow good new attitude of saying that also it could have an advantageous side, that we all have mind-creation-power, cause like you say, then finally we all would create to Wake Up. Though as always those energies which arise within duality never can be one-sided only, as is light, there`s shadow. So final chance only again would be just to overcome any judgement, emotion, value. Finally accept it all just as a part of dualistic illusionary world-appearences. No? the term "wake up" mostly is used by Advaita Vedanta People and exactly these are acting for a philosophy of acceptance of all - as our real (higher) self anyhow cant and wouldnt be touched by anything our ego/person/mind is experiencing. So in their eyes there doesnt exist any growth at all, cause they say that an instance like an ego just is Not made for to be freed. I`ve gone that path for 3 years, they have great meditativ-self-questioning-techniques, but only I can accept a part of their predication, that is that finally our inner-higher-self is free since ever and forever. But what I disagree is that the ego/persona doesnt change/grow, okay maybe it doesnt play any role I believe lol cause this person-I somewhen is blown away anyways, but at least I like the idea of movement, change, growth- otherwise all this here just would be too boring. Okay this now was a real rambling into many side-branches and association, but please just only respond to what you like, and skip the rest.
can you explain again how you mean that: "Kundalini is that it is the controling influence the human has on his or her surroundings."
Joy n`Journeys, Nani
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Post by crazycat on Oct 26, 2006 15:16:42 GMT -5
Your post Nani and Osiris have raised many thoughts, but my thoughts are soooo darn flitting. Much like my dreams. Hehe! ;D I can't seem to get them to make any sense. Last night I was readin g on this remote veiw Russian website....funny... so far it seems it's more about all these gods and what their purpose and downfalls are. Sounds alot like just humans they are talking about really, not gods. Maybe all these myths about gods are really stories handed down about the inhabitants rather they were concsider gods or whatever where just the beings that were the Lemurians or Atlantians. In other words they would be us before we got so bogged down in 3D matter and lost most all our magic powers. One I read about, Balder the Beautiful, really got my mind to wondering. He was a vegaterian. They sort of campare him to the panda bear. The panda bear being a vegaterian and is very lovable and non-aggressive, but that is the very thing that is causing the panda bear to become extinct. After reading that it made me wonder about all the "hipe" about being a vegaterian and that meat isn't all that good for you. Could that be propoganda to turn us into a docile nation easy to rule and turn into slaves. Several people have said on this forum that they have noticed that when they eat meat it makes them more aggressive and willing to fight. So are we turning into a nation of nandy-pandas by becoming veges. So is that really a good thing. After all, a nation that is not willing to defend themselves always in up being conquered or killed off. Balder the Beautiful was conquer and killed, his beauty and loving ways just got him death in the end, not victory. So does the saying, ("love" really conquer all) ...is really just propoganda started thousands of years ago by thoes darn archons to make us a world of docile creature to be more easily controlled and turned into their slaves. To tell you the truth, I just don't like these nandy-pandy men that is shown all over the media now-a-days. But it's not just the veges that is changing people, it's the poisoned meat filled with all these female harmones that is causing this change as well. And all the extra hormones for us women is turning us into the "wicked witch of the north" and it's really making us very sick and full of pains. No wonder we are bitchy. ;D Going the vege way would not be so bad for us women, it would keep us having nice slim submissive bodies, but we would not have any knights in shinning armor to keep us safe if all the men went vege as well. We will all be in the hands of the "powers that be" to do with as they so willed. To be are not to be?
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Post by bezjak on Oct 26, 2006 16:07:34 GMT -5
I read a bit here and there.....though I don't have much to say on this subject I will say this.....all streams and rivers lead eventually to the ocean. There is no "best" way to reach enlightenment.....only the way that you have chosen is the one that lays before you. No matter how "long" it takes or how many "falls" may lie in your path. "You" already know that....yet who am I but a mere speck in the infinite realms of existence.
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Post by Lena on Oct 26, 2006 16:29:44 GMT -5
Thank you Nani, Osiris, and Linda...very interesting to read different thoughts and perspectives, especially when they are so free flowing as yours are. I want to say something in defense of veggie diet since that's what I've been trying for the past month. I don't want to sound defensive or fanatic, forgive me if I do. Since you mention Panda bear, I want to mention another bear, the bear we are more familiar with. Bears are omnivores, but did you know that roughly 90% of their diet is veggie, and even a lot of their protein is in insect form. Yep, and look at those teethes and claws, a lot more than humans have, right? They do like to snooze a lot though As for propaganda, I do not see much propaganda for being a vegetarian. If you turn on your TV, I doubt there will be a commercial to come to your local veggie restaurant, most likely, you will see dishes with the main course of meat or fish. Propaganda?? I say it's all for protein, unless I'm missing something. It seems to me that the whole nation is obsessed with protein. RDA recommends 72 grams of protein for an average person, now I got no clue where that number comes from. Does anybody? No doubt, we need protein for growth, but do we need it more than growing babies, who only get 10% or less (mother's milk)? I won't even go into pesticides stored in animal fat, hormones, inhumane animal treatment, environmental impact, etc. I will finish off my stand for veggies on a good note. I am getting physically stronger, in no way passive or submissive.
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Post by Lena on Oct 26, 2006 16:34:58 GMT -5
What bez wrote, there are different paths to the top of the mountain, but it's so fun to take your own, isn't it!
The same way, there is no right diet for everyone, we are all different, and free to make choices. The most important thing is to be conscious and aware of the choices we ARE making.
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Post by crazycat on Oct 26, 2006 20:05:29 GMT -5
;D Lena, I didn't mean to step on any toes with my comments, just saw a different side of the story and thought I would share. I know even the veggies have much protein. It wasn't about how much protein one is getting. If I can remember right, you said yourself when you ate a big steak one night it made you feel more aggressive. The article I read last night stated that if the panda bear ate more the diet of the brown bear, it would become just as aggressive and I do know from experience that those brown bears can be very aggressive. They will eat just about anything...much like the pig. I decided to check into to that myself and found it interesting that the chicken and us too of course are omivore as well. I didn't know that about the chickens. When I was a child and we had chickens we only feed ours grains and of course they ate many bugs. I think the reason I was so healtly as a child was because we raise all our food mostly. We raise and slaughtered our own cow and pig every year that we raised ourselves and our cows ate grass and our pigs ate something my mom put together like potato peels and other parts of vegatables that wasn't eatible and there was some kind of mush stuff that she added to it. We ate all parts of that pig, even the head. She would put the whole head into a large pot an boil it until all the meat came off the bones and then she would chop/mush it all up and made some kind of a loaf of it... called confisticated fish. (sp) Then she would slice it and fry it for breakfast. Hehe! I loved it. It had the brains and tongue and everything in it. Even the lard was what she used for frying. We ate like that and we were all skinny and healthy. Of course, we ate plenty of veggies and fruits and nuts we grew ourselves as well. It was only after I got married and started eating store bought food and drinking city water that I became unhealthy. Herbivores form an important link in the food chain as they transform the sun's energy stored in the plants to food that can be consumable by carnivores and omnivores up the food chain. As such, they are termed the primary consumers in the food chain.I thought that was interesting....cows, deers and others like buffolas are in this catagory. The red meat mostly and is the one that makes one have more aggressive tendencies. Maybe not so many advertisements about veggie restuarants, but you must admit there has been much in the media (not just TV, but magazines and over the net) about how bad red meat is bad for you. I even heard over the TV recently that lean cuts of pork are better for you than red meet. It is mostly the New Agers who started and mostly promote the veggie diet. Those New Agers are the ones who are for the One World Order and interestingly are the ones who also promote all this love and light stuff. I found out that if you do anything to upset a New Ager, even if it is something very minor, all that love and light they spout goes out the window real fast. Apparently it is all love and light as long as you are being a "yes" person and agree wholeheartily to all "their beliefs". That has been my experience with them, anyways. You know, I bet Mr Bush eats his steak, but I'm sure he eats the organic kind. ;D Sorry I just had to put that in there...hehe!
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Post by BenHangen on Oct 26, 2006 23:27:49 GMT -5
Well put Linda on the “New Agers”, and I wouldn’t say anymore, as my list is long on that subject. Nani your question “So it seems you are really walking this kundalini-path since a long time with accordingly rich experiences and spiritual-success, right!?!”, requires as many answers as there are raindrops that fall on the mountains to form the streams that flow to the ocean. Like so many people I have tried many paths that have had no siginifance in finding and end but only explain what is. When one says Eureka I have the answer, I am reminded of Plato and his Allegory of the Cave, from The Republic. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato%27s_allegory_of_the_cave There is a link to translate this so that might help. At the bottom of this page there is a statement that sort of sums up what I mean: Current significance Much like Pandora's Box has come to represent the unintended impact of modern technology, Plato's Cave has resonance for modern times as a metaphor for the way mass media dominate public discourse and understanding, standing between the individual and the event and providing the "meaning". Within the shakti that I have learned it is not so much finding balance but more of finding center. This is more of an Hermitic idea than what most consider Kundalini, where you know you are in balance, in control, and at the center of the all in the now. It’s not any more than what you and osirus have said, and what you find on the net about Kundalini is only the surface of the potential. When you ask if your serpent has arisen you might as well say are you awake. I am no master of kundalini and just barely a captain of my own ship that only happens when my wife lets me steer. I have many questions about the fire within and have many solutions but when I read some pages on the serpent I wonder if they really know what’s going on. A lot of them talk about “New Age Tantra” and balancing the chakra system. That is only a superficial effect of shakti, the will. I stopped with the kundalini more that 15 years ago, but the effects never stopped. What I had learned had become so ingrained in the physiology of my being that it was as natural as breathe itself. Pranayama is an important part of the fire serpent as is all things.
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Post by Lena on Oct 27, 2006 0:32:33 GMT -5
Linda, I know you didn't mean to step on anybody's toes, just wanted to share my side of the story. I've been sort of consumed with the subject for the past month Eating meat might make you more aggressive, I wouldn't know for sure. I certainly agree that eating or not eating meat is only one factor in being healthy. I believe in mind over matter, so diet choices are only that, choices. What I do want to emphasize is the way we make that choice should be conscious. We should know how the animals are treated, what they are fed, impact of meat business, etc. Maybe looking at animals provides an answer to our own diet needs. Maybe as humans with free will, we can transcend our animal nature. As for animals, another interesting subject is chimps, our so called closest relatives. They are big, strong, and aggressive, yet meat is only 1-2% of their diet, the other protein source being insects at about 5%. As for New Agers, I'm not completely sure what group of people you are referring to, it's a losely used term. Albert Einstein was a supporter of a vegetarian diet. Yogis have been promoting meat free diet for centuries since killing a living creatre contradicts non-violence belief. Buddhists do not eat meat for the same reason. Taoists certainly advocate reducing meat in one's diet. Adam And Eve were vegetarians
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Post by crazycat on Oct 27, 2006 5:00:31 GMT -5
Lena, you are right about Adam and Eve being vegaterians, at least before the fall. Even all the animals in the Garden of Eden were vegaterians as well. They did not begian to eat the animals, birds and fish until after the flood and God told Noah (Genesis 9: 2-5) that he gives everything that moves to be food for him, but that he was not to eat the lifeblood of the animals. At that time there was no restrictions on what type of animals or fish or birds they could eat. I think the restrictions came with Moses with the laws he was given. I'm not against being a vegaterian, but I would not want those aggressive meat eaters to take over and destroy us either. Hehe! The only thing I question here is just exactly what god was it that told Noah this and even what God was it who gave Moses the law. Many time through out the Bible it says that the God of this 3D world was Lucifer. Lucifer apparently goes by many, many names and in many disguises. Some are Apollo, Zues, Thor, to name a few, but who knows, he just could be all of those mythical Gods, even Jehovah. After all he is a shapeshifter, a trickster, a liar, the master of illusions. Every since we were taken from the garden we have been seeing through a dark veil (unconscious state) with most of our consciousness taken away. Most people use only about 3% of their consciousness. We spend most of our daytime in daydreams and our nights in nightdreams. It is so hard to stay in a state of awareness for very long before your mind falls back into some daydream and our night life is even worse. Most of the time we are not even aware of our nightdreams, most of our nights are spent in a void of nothingness, much like death. The more we train ourselves to live in the now and stay aware during the daytime the more we will at least be able to be aware in the astral more often, so all will not be lost. As we learn to train ourselves to take back over control of our five centers the more of our consciousness we can take back. Our five centers are the intellect, emotions, sex, motor/moverment, and instinct. When our ego self is in control over these five centers the real us is not. Much of our days are spent in automatic drive with the ego self in control and at night we are put to sleep "a little death" where we are not aware of much of anything that takes place in those hours. Some believe that when we sleep our higher self takes over, but how can one be so sure of that when we are soooo asleep. I have my doubts. Ben, I do have a problem with this shaktipat energy transference. I'm not so sure it is the real thing, kind of like the laying on of hands to recieve the Holy Spirit. Most people that do both have a goal in mind and that goal is more money in their pockets. I just don't believe any thing from Spirit can be bought with money. That is just for gullable people who do not want or desire to do the "work". They always have to go back and get another fix, which will cost them more money, because those energy tranfers are not the real thing so they do not last. Anyways, that is my take on that. I have experienced an energy transfer. It only lasted about 3 weeks.
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Post by nani on Oct 27, 2006 6:00:52 GMT -5
just shortly cause Im yet on the move for a some days journey again.
Ben, great post, hey and I hope that you didnt understand me as if I would know where or who you are. I dont know nothing and I dont judge that much, the less any fast and anyhow will give up that stupid judge-thing entirely hopefully soon. I would love to say some more words when back. (had made a longer post, but it got deleted, so let be it now ;-))
hey ladies about veggie or not let me say shortly very personally subjectiv: eat and treat whatever and however you can be responsible for ethically. But what really is a delicate and interesting theme for me is the role of woman nowadays, and those subtle manipulations refering to what and how they are supposed to be or not.. would like to say some things but of course without this "natural complaining" point of viewfeel, which is one of the underlying problems itself I find heylol. but god, how does that belong to kundalini.. lol.. ah.. maybe...... seeya all soon, have a great time J n`J Nani
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Post by crazycat on Oct 27, 2006 15:50:28 GMT -5
but god, how does that belong to kundalini.. lol.. ah.. maybe...... seeya all soon, have a great time J n`J Nani Kundalini is the guardian of human evolution as Gopi Krishna said. What we eat and breathe in would have an effect on this process, wouldn't it? I feel it is a natural process and will happen when and how it is suppose to when a being has done the "work" so to speak. We are all responsible for our own spiritual progress and evolution, but giving of our time to help one another along the path of enlightenment is also part of the process and these acts of giving and sharing will farther the progress of youself and others. I just thought that the fact that knowing that meat, esp. red meat makes a person more aggressive was an important fact to know. What we eat truly does determine what kind of person one will become. I meant to add that to my post last night, but it flitted away and I was in bed half asleep when it came to me that I had forgotten to add that. Hehe...
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Post by BenHangen on Oct 27, 2006 17:12:37 GMT -5
On the vegetarian question, if you can’t kill it, respect it and honor it’s life force and what it imparts to you, don’t eat it. That goes for plants also because they have feelings also and life force. The height of vegetarianisms is to become a seedeater. I can give you links to this if so desired. New age Movement? My statements about this would not apply to a vast majority of people that are looking for change in the condition in the state of the world, just the few that are at the lead of the pack. The ones that are really making the bucks from the idea of the Aquarian Age are the people I am digressing. Also a few that have no conceptual ideas of their own and just go along with the pack and spout enigmatic term as if they had true meaning. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Age_Movement#BeliefsIn keeping with a relativist stance, New Agers believe they do not contradict traditional belief systems, but rather some of them say that they are concerned with the ultimate truths contained within those systems, separating these truths from false tradition and dogma. On the other hand, adherents of other religions often claim that the New Age movement has a vague or superficial understanding of these religious concepts, leaving out that which may seem "negative" or contradict contemporary Western values and that New Age attempts at religious syncretism are vague and self-contradictory. Some people within the New Age movement claim a particular interest in Buddhism, Hinduism, Sufism, and Taoism — however eclectic or in-depth such an interest may be depends arbitrarily upon each individual's pursuit and focus. New Age is syncretic in nature and has roots as a counter-cultural phenomenon. Thus New Age adherents tend to emphasize a relativist approach to truth, often referring to the Vedic statement of "one truth, but many paths," the mainstay of Hinduism, which idea is also found in the later Zen Buddhist spiritual dictum of "many paths, one mountain". This belief is not only an assertion of personal choice in spiritual matters, but also an assertion that truth itself is defined by the individual and his or her experience of it. Go back to Plato's allegory_of_the_cave. Linda that is very impressive, the laying on of hands, I had no idea that you had been there. Before I had that conversation with you how Shakti is exactly what you have experienced. But it is real girl, just as real as you and I are. You have experienced it in an understanding of what it really is and nothing more, except that maybe you missed something. What is maybe overlooked is the experience itself, what were your experiences before and after, I mean you experienced communication on a level not known to the majority of mankind. Did it open your mind to the possibility that there is something else to life that we are not being told of? Did it open a doorway in the mind to new ideas of what we are in this world? THE LIGHT! This is one of those enigmatic terms that the new agers have no idea of what they are saying. “THE LIGHT” and Kundalini energy are the same thing. I am sure I will stir up a lot of comment here and some rebuttal but as I have stepped into it the only thing to do is to sit down and kick of my muddy boots. Ok the light as Kundalini energy, Kundalini as fire serpent has a direct reference to Lucifer: Lucifer is a Latin word meaning "light-bearer" (from lux, "light", and ferre, "to bear, bring"), a Roman astrological term for the "Morning Star", the planet Venus. If I were to ask the question “what is light?” I’m sure most would say how stupid of a question is that? You might tell me it’s the bright stuff coming from the sun; and you would be right but do you understand what that is? The sun produces a wide range of electromagnetic wavelengths, from radio waves to gamma waves all of it is the light spectrum. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_spectrumThe electromagnetic spectrum is the range of all possible electromagnetic radiation. The light we see with our eyes is really a very small portion of the electromagnetic spectrum. Linda here is my analogy of what you were saying about how much of the brain we use, I would say that it is proportional to the amount of visible light we see. To see something is to perceive to hold it within the conscious mind. To bring things into the light is to know something. The human physiology is that it is an electromagnetic transceiver, it is capable of sending and receiving a greater range of LIGHT than most can imagine. When in meditation or doing energy work or just sitting there you are producing electromagnetic waves or light. When doing Kundalini you are turning up the signal strength and producing a specific electromagnetic wavelength which a simple volt meter and magnetometer can provide physical evidence that there is an electrical change occurring within the physical body. With this in mind the knowledge that we produce light, does that not make us bearers of light? Where does that leave us in the grand scheme of things? Are we children of the light and are we being deliberately held back because of our forbearers transgressions? So many questions and so little time to get it right, is there something these so called great beings from the great beyond don’t want us to know and REMEMBER? The breath of life is the control factor such as when the word was spoken creation came into being. The Word and the Light are of two separate realities such as the reality of Jesus and Lucifer are of separate realities. When the extent of Pranayama (breath) is known and the power (shakti) is within the throat you speak the Will and it be done.
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Post by crazycat on Oct 27, 2006 23:14:22 GMT -5
Ben, that was a thought prevoking post. About the laying on of hands, of course I believe there is a transfering of energy and it was of a positive nature and I did recieve benefit from the experience. It seems like I have talked with you before about this. Deja vue here....anyways, I have even had the experience of being the one to "lay on hands" for someone's healing and I actually felt the energy go from me to the person needing a healing. This little baby was instantly healed. This was an instance where I was lead by the Spirit to go over and pick up the child and it just happened. It was the Spirit through me that did this. Everyone there at this special prayer gathering knew it took place too without a verbal word being said. We were all as one in Spirit. I was like in total shock. Why Spirit choose to work through me instead of the pastor who was present was beyond me. It was my first time to experience such as that. It was the real thing. The baby did keep it's healing and thrive hardily after that. Actually, I recieved more from this experience than when I was the one on the recieving end. So yes, I do believe it is a real thing when it is coming from Spirit. Just that one experience alone, increased my faith to the point that no one could ever in a million years convince me it is not real. What I was saying or meaning was that some of these website I've gone to advertise where you pay them $400, $500 or whatever and pay your own way to come and I will transfer shaktipat into you. Or these big TV type peacher who have people pretend to be cripple and they are then miraculously healed as a gimic to get people to give them more money. When you are expected to pay with money to receive from Spirit no matter how far along the spiritual path the person is, I see it only as a magic trick, like Simeon in the Bible. This person was doing a magic trick that made it look like he tranfering the gift of the Holy Spirit onto people, so Paul rebuked him. There is the fake and there is the real. The breath of life is the control factor such as when the word was spoken creation came into being. The Word and the Light are of two separate realities such as the reality of Jesus and Lucifer are of separate realities. When the extent of Pranayama (breath) is known and the power (shakti) is within the throat you speak the Will and it be done. I'm not so sure I agree with this statement. I see the Logos and the light as two fascit of the same. They are both vibration/frequencies. They make the whole. And the way I look at Lucifer as the "light bearer", was that was his tittle before his rebellion. Afterwards, his light became only an illusion. There is the real light and logos and there is the fake. There is the kundalini where the fire energy rises and if completed in ones lifetime will creates a solar crystilized body which creates an angel being and then there is the kunderbuffer where the fire energy decends and creates a tail on the solar body which creates a daemon. One has to have put the "old Man" the natural self, the ego self to death before this can be raised correctly, if not it just may go the other way. I have no ideal how much truth is in that statement above, but it is what I have read.
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Post by BenHangen on Oct 28, 2006 2:21:28 GMT -5
I'm not so sure I agree with this statement. I see the Logos and the light as two fascit of the same. They are both vibration/frequencies. They make the whole. And the way I look at Lucifer as the "light bearer", was that was his tittle before his rebellion. Afterwards, his light became only an illusion. There is the real light and logos and there is the fake.
CC do you remember that I have said that I quit OBE and the Kundalini for a while and now I am re-establishing what once was? Your last statement is the reason basically and do you understand the charismatic charm where someone can talk you out of your pants in Sunday school if they asked?
Hopefully you can see why I am not in favor of all this reality creation they are pushing in the media. All this uncontrolled and irresponsible RC brought about an apocalypse once before and destroyed the world. It might happen again.
You have a great understanding of things and I concur.
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Post by osiris on Oct 28, 2006 15:13:46 GMT -5
Great stuff guys. I must admit i didnt read all of it but most. Ben first of all i must admit i like alot of what you said. But dont you feel that all organized religion is just people following the word of one or two men? Its as if no one feels freedom to believe what they want. The fire and brimstone teachings have failed except to have a flock of sheep and a good amount of tithing...lol Pandora's box is i feel the opposite of what you have said exactly. Pandora's box is finding all the answers that science has not been able to provide. The answers like what and how do i find the holy grail? What and where is the arc of the covenant. All these are subject to opinion but most of us already know the truth (we pagans i was refering to) dont have the answers exactly but we know the grail is no physical thing. It is in us it is the secret to infinate life. To find the grail is a quest but not one you need even leave home to undetake. These things and the failures of science are i feel the pandoras box. The NEW AGE (and you will find no one that hates that term more than myself) first off is not new its older than we can ever imagine. The term i do understand and feel it must have come from a cleric or some sort that frowns upon anything not mainstream.All the new age you will find can be traced back to the pagan religions but also and fortunately for us its intertwined heavily with christianity and actually all religions. The failure however resides in the cover up of so much. Even now we begin to celebrate the dead if it is voodoo or the fesivals of the dead. This was all but eliminated in modern christianity. But to what extant and why? Anyone that takes dreaming seriously knows that death is not so bad. That there is nothing to fear. And that death NEVER lies so there is never anything to be worried about. A christian would scream blasphomy and i exalt in the fact that this is just the first part of my never ending life. These are things that are supposed to be understood? So why Is it that instaed moms whine about the skulls and the creatures related to death during all hallows eve? If we take our spirit and our afterlife serious do we have need for such prejudice? Death is placed on a pedestal with evil and its just not true. I dont think kundalini is meant to be an evil thing. Following the light ofsatan could be refered to in so many ways. In dreaming we follow the light and in meditation we have a pure white light that cleanses us. Jesus is also the light the light that guides. Ok now ones balance is what is needed for kundalini. I know this for a fact. Centering is the same and yes to answer another question most energy is indeed the same. The sources are differant but the assemblage point, the chakra, and indeed the kundalini qi and chi energy and any others i forgot to mention. First it really does not matter at all. as long as you realize that we live within a boundry set up by ourselves and that boundry is energy its the energy we "choose" to live in. Thats why the asssemblage point is considered to have so many millions of energylines passing through it. All this energy is the present place we live in its our material world. Now if we allow for differant energies to pass through us we see from a differant "erspective" The altered states are brought about in this way and so is alternate reality. A 'shift' of the assemblage point or an awakening of kundalini or the chakra all being opened. It makes very little differance as long as you realize that it only a way to explain how things work not a literal kundalini. By sending waves up you spine and heavy concentration on the third eye along with years and years if practice no not years and years of practice. Just a willingness to change. It takes years and years for the human mind to comprehend change thats where the time resides. we are no good at saying ok tommorow and from that day forward i will never drink again or i will be done with materials other than the ones i need to survive. Thats where the time is taken but NOT necesary. Old dogs can learn new tricks but its very hard to teach and stick with what we learned. You dont become a master overnight becasue of what? Look at it from a gnostic view point. Tomorow im going to be in the eyes of god an angel. Could you? Yes you can. But it requires that you SEE everything you do during the day. Hmmm sound familiar?? It had better. What people fail to see is that they can choose to dao whatever they want. But for how long? How long in this world that i live in can i be strong? How many days will pass before i no longer deserve to be called an angel? Not very damn many. We are all the demons and angels thatexist. we dont worship other humans for this exact reason. Its to hard to know the subtle bad ones from the truly good. Or the demonic that have power enough to look and sound angelic. how do you in all know that Jesus is not a demon? How do you know that he is not the spoken of antichrist that is already in place to decieve? were you there? would it not be perfect to have a book that we must follow and a false religion that will lead you no where but damnation? Im not saying that he is in fact im sure he is not but look at it from every angle. Dont let the words of the many be waht you blindly follow to who knows what end? Ok enough rambling for now. Im going to start quoting and posting from this theread for now on since it seems to be rolling along so fast. Plaese please if you do anything today take the time to feel your spirit and give praise that even when you die its just the begining.
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Post by crazycat on Oct 28, 2006 17:20:52 GMT -5
The story of "human life" is written in the old myths. The same story is written in the new stories and history written in the bible. The same story is written in the stars and also in nature that surrounds us. It is written in mathematics. It is encode in the very languages we speak. On top of all that it is written within the human body itself. But even so, on top of all that we are given Spirit within as a witness to all this creation. Bits and pieces are weaved through all our religions because they are the fabric of our being. If one has an over all big picture of "what is" then all the little details make more sense. I don't remember exactly where in the bible, but it is there somewhere where it says that at the end of the era (what some calls world) there will be much information going to and fro though out the world and people would be calling what is evil "good" and what is good, "evil" to the point that even the elect (the most spiritual enlightened ones) will be decieved. But we have the story of creation written in creation itself in more ways than one, not to mention the Spirit that dwells within itself, so how could we go wrong. True some may misinterpret the written word, but we have the stars and math and science (which is catching up) to root out all errors of misinterpretation. Ben, I meant to add I do agree with you about the RC. It just could be the reason we are in the fix that we have found ourselves to be.
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Post by BenHangen on Oct 28, 2006 19:53:42 GMT -5
Osiris go back and read the link on “The Allegory of the Cave” I think you will appreciate it greatly. It is what you have said but it gives greater understand on how most interpret and respond to new knowledge. Also I agree that the knowledge remains in the hands of the few, there are Shepard’s and there are sheep, most of mankind has the flocking or heard mentality. The way I put that sounds real bad so I’ll leave it alone for now. I find it interesting that you chose a Templar avatar and relate to the quest of the holy grail, there are many ledgends around that story the Templar’s and the rose cross. I also ask what stories of Pandora’s box have you read? The one I read was about the releasing of the ultimate torments upon mankind. Yours sounds more interesting though. That was also a paste from the web site under the link. Then another point you made about all hallows eve, very interesting because in another world I had made a posting about that same thing. A person made a posting about a 10/17 event telling of the alignment of the sun and the star Arcturus on that date. Here is the place that tell about it. sethd8.wordpress.com/2006/10/01/mission-1017-explained/This has to be a “New Ager” and not concerned at all with reality like you say. Here is what I had to say about it: the sun is in conjunction with the star Spica in the constellation Virgo which is 23 Libra and it wont be until October 29 when the sun aligns with Arcturus in 24 Libra. What I know of Arcturus is limited in obscurity and occultism. From what I believe it could be the old date for all hallows eve in Celt beliefs, which made November 1st the New Year. I remember that sometime when the Gregorian calendar was dreamed up there were changes the last day of the Julian calendar was Thursday 4 October 1582 and this was followed by the first day of the Gregorian calendar, Friday 15 October 1582 . All I’m sure about is that the dates in astrology are sure messed up in accordance with reality. I started learning sidereal astrology a long time ago and stopped. In the astrology of the Middle Ages, Arcturus was one of the 15 Behenian fixed stars, associated with jasper and the plantain herb. Here is a link to fixed stars. www.winshop.com.au/annew/ I just think our ancestors relied more on what they could see in the stars rather than what people read in their daily horoscope. Being one of these important alignments in ancient alchemy and magic of druid and celt origin I can see where it could be the day when they say the dead walk the earth. In Arabic, it is called Haris-el-sema, "the keeper of heaven, and in ancient Egyptian I think it was he who commeth. Centering and balancing follow different ideology, balancing requires additive force or subtractive force. True it is necessary to learn adaptive motion of balancing and I would say that they are equal in importance. In a furious storm to protect ones being you would have to erect a shield equal to or greater than the forces against you. It would be at least an equal and opposite force to maintain balance in the storm. In centering you would move to the center of the storm where in the eye all is calm and balance is easily maintained. One is using equal and opposite force to maintain the balance on a set fulcrum and the other is moving the fulcrum to acquire balance. The difference is right brain and left-brain thinking. Linda could it be something like Matthew 23:4 or something like that? A question CC when you said kundalini was a protector, what do you understand of this?
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Post by crazycat on Oct 29, 2006 1:23:39 GMT -5
Hehe, Ben, I had to go back and see where in my post I had said such a thing. I take it that you mean this quote of Gopi Krishna: "Kundalini is the guardian of human evolution. I didn't think of the word guardian as meaning a protector here. I thought it meaning more as a guide/guarding the processes of evolution. In other words it is what controls evolution taking place. Ben, I was surfing around this afternoon for something interesting to read and in a round about way I ended up on a website that Osiris posted from a day or so ago, but from a different book from that site. Other Tongues--Other Flesh by George Hunt Williamson [1953] www.sacred-texts.com/ufo/otof/index.htmIn the third chapter of the second book (Maldek and Malona) is a very interesting chapter telling about a planet with the name of Lucifer/Maldek. Lucifer is not the same as the being Satan (on second thought Satan could be a type of) , in fact, Lucifer was not a being but a planet. I do think you will find this chapter very, very interesting. Hehehehahaha! Interpreted this way, it sure makes the bible make more sense. The way I was lead to this chapter was way freaky. I was looking for something to read and I looked in my favorites and I notice this one website was saved in every folder I looked in. I do need to go back now and see if I really did save it that many times. LOL! I clicked on it and it was a site about the Mayan calendar and on that calendar page was the word Maldek, which really caught my eye for some reason, so I put that word in search and that is how I found that chapter. I'm going to go back and read the rest of the book now. The other chapters look good too. Just glancing through there is a lot of stuff about the Electro-Magnetic Fields. I really think is is something you would like reading.
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Post by osiris on Oct 30, 2006 15:04:28 GMT -5
I did read the cave article. It does make you think about the pictures we paint just from the perspective we live in. I will refrain from speaking about lucifer right now i think it would be a very extended conversation or thread of its own. The Templar are in my world at least...lol not anything at all like what they are portrayed. They are the protectors of a deep knowledge. When the templar were first created they spent one entire year locked in the furthest reaches of a tower claimed to be build over part of solomons temple. Now i dont know how much you know about Solomon but he is a biblical link and also considered to have knowledge and power beyond just about anyone that has ever lived. I have many of his writings archived on data stick and disk and also this link has much of his work...This link is probably some of the best stuff ive ever found on the internet so look around and enjoy and download. I believe that at least one of my past lives was a Temlar but thats for another time also. There is a link between the templar and banking and also between the masons.
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Post by nani on Oct 30, 2006 17:53:46 GMT -5
WOW you guys n`girls are on a flight whoooo, cool, like the old philosophical greek from one theme floating to the next, and one the same interesting as the other. I`ve read all, very great and informative.. though dont know where to start or continue now.. Lol.. anyways I`ll just let it settled down.. for now. Thanx to all, and Ben especially for answering my questions so detailed! And Osiris I dont wonna sound or behave brash but if you some day feel like then I will appreciate any answer to my questions to you at top of page. Seeya, J n`J Nani
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