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Post by osiris on Oct 30, 2006 18:43:14 GMT -5
Yup i plan to answer them as quotes since this thread turned into such a nice piece of work.... about aura: can you specify how you`re working with aura. Well first i began just by working on seeing the aura. That included the use of pictures that allow for both sides of the brain to "learn" to function as a whole. And also good meditation and feeling my "energy ball" between my hands. As i continued with this i began to look for my aura in a mirror and on my animals. During this entire process i was heavily into scrying. And just to meditate on my crystal seemed to awaken the latent abilities i sought after. i began to see the auras of the crystal and than of the moon and finally of people. Now that i can pretty much at will find the aura anytime i dream i see the aura of almost everything. Unfortunatly my recall really is lacking but when dreaming i see almost all energy. Now i learned that dreamscapes can indeed be real and existing places or they can be something we make up completly. If you see energy n the dream your in than its a "real" scenario. If you do not than its a made up dream. Its a false area but it does not mean the dream has no importance just that it is not any place here or on the other planes that exist. A study of Robert Moss's books showed me that many places in the astral we visit are real because sooo many past lives and other people believe in it. So for example schools and the infamous atlantis and many other places exist because they are a creation of many. Here these this is a good place and i saved many of the practice pictures from this site to use for aura vision. The pictures work wonders. In fact well beyond what i expected. www.thiaoouba.com/index.htmlSorry the tap root is in my opinion dreaming. It is what we need in this day and age to learn. There are not enough masters and gurus around anymore so dreaming is where we need to learn and also where we can complete our energy body. Through dreaming we are already in a state where our assemblage point has shifted and where we are free to do as we wish. Once good enough we can take full advantage of dreaming so we literally never sleep but still et the rest we need. Im far from that goal but have seen it and also progressed enough to know its the real deal. Im no longer concerned with believing or how too? Im concerned with how do i make my stays longer and more controlled. Many of you are well past me in dreaming and I HOPE realize that we need it to learn and to grow as good little Pagans...lol |
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Post by crazycat on Oct 30, 2006 20:34:22 GMT -5
Osiris, I would greatly be interested in your take one Lucifer. Would you mind, if you have time, to start a new thread on him. I read a book back in the late70's/early 80's called Dialogues With The Devil by Taylor Caldwell. By the time I was done I had much empathy for him and even cried a few tears. Same with "I Judas" by same person. Taylor Caldwell is one of my favorite authors. Even though she published her books as fiction, I got the impression that they were really non-fiction, most of them anyways. Someone told me that she wrote about her past lives. She wrote with her name as a man because she wrote her first book when she was only nine years old and back then it was hard to get published under a woman name, much less a child. Her first book was about the life of this woman who lived in Atlantis. It's hard to believe a nine year old could have written that. I would love to read the stuff about Solomon your mentioned but you did not give the link you talked about.  Please, Please! |
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Post by nani on Oct 31, 2006 18:16:14 GMT -5
hi all, thank you Osiris that was well explained and the link is cool.
funny that you are just talking about energy-ball as I`ve just tonight experienced something very strong and like never before. I came back from a very intense dream-what-meet up with a german guy who had asked to meet me astral (I´ll put that and a kind of for me new obe- technique into the obe-section) Main thing is that when I was back suddenly wide awake I laid in this kind of birds-position, which only happened after intense experiences till now, armes bowed so that the hands are lying at my heart. Then I had this absolutely intense sensation of an energy-ball which was circling quite fast between my 2 handchakras and my heart or brust, which seemed to have 2 entrance/exits. This chi-ball was such intense, I never felt before, though Im doing taiji and quigong quite regularily. It kept going for really many minutes and if I wouldnt have wanted to write down my experience I guess it would have stayed for much longer. I really dont know what - yes somehow what I know - but more Why that happened wow Im quite amazed about that. I just think that maybe it has to do with my current focus on being less furious, more following the heart-path, which I find is very most important for me lately. Anyways. So thanx again for let me know about your path and some of your aura-methods. joy&journeys, Nani
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Post by bezjak on Nov 1, 2006 10:58:07 GMT -5
Just glancing thru....you guys are amazing, speaking of "guardians" each one of "us" guards secrets that "we" ourselves are sometimes unaware of.....the "soul" houses many things that the mind accepts only reluctantly. As to the consumption of flesh verses the taking in of plant matter, since the essence of life is in all living organisms, what happens when one consumes another? What happens to the "life" nrg? Are the joys/light and pains/darkness (of the slayen organism) transferred upon the "soul" of the consumer? Finally is eating a seed less offensive than eating an egg? Both are embryos are they not? He-he don't mind me.....for I am a mere speck in the infinite realms of existence.  |
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Post by osiris on Nov 1, 2006 15:22:15 GMT -5
But a bright speck...lol hey and de ja vu too. Its only my opinion but after death there is mearly a shell left. There may be some latent life energy but no soul. The egg and the seed are fine to eat. We are a predator and the top of the food chain so we can eat anything and its no sin. Besides survival is no sin and we need to eat MAN.
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Post by odni on Nov 1, 2006 18:19:14 GMT -5
Regarding diet...
Hello osiris and I agree that after death the flesh is mostly but a shell, and that being on the top of the food chain you are free to pick and chose... but I am not too sure that we are on the top of the food chain. About the food chain, yes if you are shopping at the supermarket then you can have whatever they sell. But to go up against a bear or even a wild cat and see how "on top" you feel. (I am not saying that you are weak or anything, you might be a nature/survival master, but for most of us!)
Here is my own personal view on "to eat meat or not". I eat meat, because I enjoy it. I have been on vegetarian kicks time to time for cleansing or whatever. Do not forget that every action has consequence, or karma. Picture in your mind the karma of someone who is conscience of their diet and eats mostly grains and vegetables, and someone who eats meat/beef/chicken six days per week. It has to have an effect on something. Plus the meat that we get comes from animals which are grown and raised only to be slaughtered as food for us. At least and old school farmer loves his animals, even if he does sell or slaughter them eventually, but nowadays it is way more industrial and cruel.
About eating seeds... Most seeds want to be eaten, that is how plants spread themselves out. Birds eat seeds and those seeds get spread throughout the world. Ever wonder how that grass started growing on the rooftop of that building?
What does this all have to do with kundalini??? Oh yes, diet is like 1/3 of all efforts in any kind of mind/body/spirit work. It does make a difference, but it depends on your lifestyle. You will know what you should be eating or not, because your body will tell you. And if you are meditating and doing kundalini (or any) energy practises, then you will have a close relationship with your body. Whew, I'm hungry now, I might go and turn on the grill....
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Post by existenceisadream on Nov 1, 2006 22:21:39 GMT -5
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Post by crazycat on Nov 2, 2006 2:54:20 GMT -5
Hehe! Did you have fun.  You could have been more creative by making that form into the shape of a steak, cow, cupcake, or something. ;D |
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Post by existenceisadream on Nov 2, 2006 5:26:50 GMT -5
Actually I did try lol. But unfortunatly once you hit post reply it converts it into something else. I had a really cool design and everything but it just turns it into something boring like this. hahahaha life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life efil no sdeef efil no sdeef efil no sdeef efil no sdeef efil no sdeef efil |
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Post by nani on Nov 2, 2006 7:48:52 GMT -5
hey you guys there, god what does that mean, can you please translate, seems to be a special extraterrestrian language LOL hey
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Post by osiris on Nov 2, 2006 14:35:08 GMT -5
I do limit the amount of meat i eat just because the fact that it gets stuck in our bowls is disgusting and it has to mean that we are not meant to eat meat all the time. Besides i prefer the life giving feel of vegetables and fruits even as it hits my mouth.
This has little to do with kundalini odni = Odin ? But we are pretty close nit group here and tend to talk out a thread often.
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Post by nani on Nov 2, 2006 16:25:35 GMT -5
existenceisadream, can you please translate: life feeds on life.
does that try to say that one being eats the other?
and do you mean with that, that this is natural?
or something like that.
just to understand your opinion on that, okayo.. lol, JnJ, Nani
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Post by existenceisadream on Nov 2, 2006 16:29:11 GMT -5
When we eat meat we are eating dead animals.  But when we eat fruit and vegetables are we not eating dead fruit and vegetables? It seems to me the fruit and vegetables we eat have more of a life/energy force in them than the dead animal. But is a head of lettuce alive still after it's been plucked from the ground and shipped around in trucks to it's final destination and then finally for us to buy and eat? I'm asking this question because I really don't know. Is a fruit or vegetable like a dead animal in a way after it dies? As in after an apple falls from a tree or gets picked it just takes awhile before it rotts away. Left on the ground under the apple tree it will rott very quickly but picked and kept preserved in cool temperatures it will last longer just like a dead animal. So basically what I'm asking is, is all the food we eat including vegi's and fruits all dead and in the process of decomposing? It seems to me that they are because fruits and vegi's don't last long at all in the fridge after you buy them especially organic ones without all the perservatives. So when you buy fruits and vegi's or animal, the goal is to eat it before it decomposes too far so that you're still getting it's life/energy force before it's all gone completely. The sooner you eat the dead animal or fruit/vegi after it dies, the more life/energy force you gain from it. Anyways that's at least how it seems to me. |
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Post by existenceisadream on Nov 2, 2006 16:38:49 GMT -5
Hey Nani,
Actually what I wrote is a reference to a lyric from a band called "Tool".
But basically it means that life has to feed on other life to survive. One life can't live without consuming anothers life. And I'm not just talking about like us eating animals/fruits/vegi's. I'm talking more along the lines of that everything is alive and has to feed on other life to live. So even to pick an apple and eat it it's still killing off something else so that another can continue to live. Every living creature is always seeking out another living creature so that it can continue to live.
Hope this clears up what I wrote Nani.
I was just having fun with the smiley's and things lol.
Got to go or I'll be late for class.
Peace
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Post by nani on Nov 2, 2006 17:03:42 GMT -5
ahh okay I got it finally hehe. oh and yes sounds all reasonable in a certain way, in a neutral way, finally all, also we ourselfs, are just energy, isnt it. So one energy needs and uses the other to stay alive somehow. Finally I really do look at all this in the same way, in a neutral way.
Though there is this knowledge and experience..
Never saw an apple who looked at me, so sad.
Never heard a cauliflower screaming, so tortoured.
Never saw a salad trying to run away, so desperately.
like all these other poor beings..............................
okay but Im NOT any Court, really not, not for anybody
loveya, Nani
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Post by Lena on Nov 3, 2006 0:34:57 GMT -5
Derek, I agree that the sooner you eat whatever it is you eat, the more life energy it has, yes, including meat. As for definiting what is alive, and what is not, hmm..it's tricky. I think a pretty good rule of thumb is if you put something in a nurturing environment (earth or water), it will grow. For example, apple has the potential to grow into another tree. Salad leaf probably wouldn't grow ha ha So excuse my logic, I don't exactly have it figured out either. I know that fruitarians only eat fruits (I mean by stuff that has seeds, including tomoatoes and cucumber) because those are meant to be eaten and their seeds spread, and because the plant does not give up its life to be eaten.
Osiris, vegetables and fruits definitely have life giving energy. I'd like to say that I don't need ANY meat, but I still crave it sometimes. I don't know if it's a habit or how I was raised. I don't know. But I can tell you that veggie stuff makes me feel better any day.
And oh, kundalini, I think diet has an effect on energy body, so yes, it's related.
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Post by existenceisadream on Nov 3, 2006 1:45:42 GMT -5
Yes no matter how you look at life feeding on life it's a very tricky subject indeed. When one eats another the energy gained from it is called calories. These calories are "burned" off making it to where more "energy/calories" is needed to continue to live. What doesn't get burned off gets pooped out and in nature this poop replenishes the land for more life to grow. (everything I'm saying is obvious) But this energy/calories that's "burned" off is going somewhere. If you believe in reincarnation or things like that then it's possible that this energy is going back into the collective of things and being redistributed and so on. But what is death and does death really exist. Sure one can die but what really dies. The energy seems to continue on regardless. If anything it would be the consciousness of what was. Death in the human concept is the loss of the body. And for someone who doesn't believe in an after life or things then it would mean also the loss of ones self reflection/ego. Isn't that what death is to some? The loss of ego? The loss of who you are? It seems that's one of the biggest fears of death is the loss of ego when the body dies. Where it gets even trickier is determining what houses a soul and the such. As in it's agreed among many that our human body houses one soul and in some cultures believe the body can house multiple ones. And it would seem that it would be the same for animals. As for the plant world it gets even harder to grasp. Does each apple house a soul? Or each seed? For this thinking though one has to believe in souls. The reason I say this is because if you don't believe in souls I think it's almost easier to see how this energy would just get reabsorbed back into the existence without the process of one keeping their ego and self reflection. It would be easier to argue that the brain is what causes this sense that we have souls and gives us a higher purpose and it's all just an illusion to make us feel like we are more than we really are. Now I'm not saying I believe in what I just wrote about that (I've had too many experiences directly with spirits to believe that). Just using it as an example for describing what I wrote. Then there's the thinking of two different kinds of energies. The physical ones and the hmmmm I guess astral ones. With this then you can argue that they are separate "though work with each other" in a way. With this theory then it's easier to suggest that we have souls so regardless of what happens to our physical body's and its energy, our astral energy can survive and continue on without it. OK wow I really went off here. Sorry I just couldn't stop myself. Lots of rambling though I attempted to stay on the topic of life/energy/food... OK I'll leave it at that. |
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Post by osiris on Nov 6, 2006 12:03:07 GMT -5
There is spirit in everything we eat. I think the tree has a spirit and the animal has a soul. Does every animal? Im not sure. Does an insect or a jelly fish have soul i dont know. We do and i believe most animals maybe all.
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Post by bezjak on Nov 6, 2006 12:53:37 GMT -5
Everything has spirit/soul/nrg. Its how you look at these things, not if they breath or bear children......a mountain can have "life" just as an amoeba can.
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Post by nani on Nov 7, 2006 9:41:47 GMT -5
totally agree bezjak!
joy&love, Nani
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Please, Please!
You could have been more creative by making that form into the shape of a steak, cow, cupcake, or something. ;D
