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Post by michael on Dec 24, 2005 3:10:52 GMT -5
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Post by zayin on Dec 24, 2005 5:03:56 GMT -5
Michael, This is my opinion, as it relates to me, The battle of God, and Satan lies within yourself, and thus in humanity. Both are aspects of humanity, and must be accepted as such. We must accept that the aspects of 'Satan' are human and are in all of us, in order to allow and accept the aspects of 'God'. We can't accept one without the other. Both are equaly important, they are aspects of humanity. This leads to understanding our fellow brothers and sisters, and raising our vibrational resonance to a higher point to where negativity can be understood, accepted, and seen in everyone. When we accept 'Satan' in others by relating with ourselves(seeing it ourselves), we overcome this. We choose to live in 'Heaven' or in 'Hell'.
Here is a personal story I'll share with you in relation to what I mean by accepting leads to overcoming.
Since I live close to my campus, I took on the responsibilty of watering and fertilizing all the plants at school. One friend had firmly told me not to water his plants, as he would be in everyday to do so. And he wants to learn on his own. Cool I accepted that, and told him I'm the same way. So I watered and cared for all the plants but his. His plants died in result. Not my problem but his lesson to learn. Now I went in to the school and discovered that he had thrown out all my chrysanthemums, and many other peoples (who he didn't realise weren't all my own). I see that he saw all the healthy plants I had kept, and saw that I did not water his. Initialy I was angry at him, and visualised many scenarios involving negativite situations. This state did not last long at all and realised something. I went to the garbage and repotted all the plants and re-watered them. When I saw him instead of freaking out, I accepted him for being human. I told him that I am like him, and see myself in him, after all I share humanity with him. I said it's OK, we all have to learn how to be human, and to deal with the feelings associted with humanity. We learn to live in 'heaven' or in 'hell'.
~Derek
And this concludes my stay! Thanks everyone for all your help on my path! Much love and light to everyone here! I wish you all well, have a joyous path my friends! ~Derek
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Post by Arivis on Dec 24, 2005 8:21:20 GMT -5
Whatever path we take in life holds many mysteries albeit struggles and decisions. Does that seem cliche. Some will be discovered and others will not. Resolution. These are the mysteries of the mind usually. They may spark our curiousity and thrust us into wanting an explanation, a reason to explain our current situation. It is whatever holds us in enthralled that may enlighten us someday, to reach a stronger state of realization to who we are and our purpose here on this plane. God and Satan, to me, represent our struggles to be masters of ourselves, to become what we inherently believe is the essence of our very being. Although I think there might be a greater entity up above.....I sometimes waffle on this issue. It is good to have guidance and assurance to help us along the way but fallibility results in many interesting situations that may prove difficult or unavoidable. It is to be secure in our knowledge and accepting of it. Does this guarentee contentment or happiness ? We must be our own makers and pursuant to the end taking pieces of others to fortify our journey.
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Post by existenceisadream on Dec 24, 2005 17:52:42 GMT -5
Cool Derek, Though you probably won't read this I'm glad for how long you were here. You brought much knowledge and info to this forum and everyone should be thankful. I learned alot from your posts. You're like me as in we're both on a path to freedom and aren't afraid to do what it takes to get there. Hope you have a good journey and you're path leads you to where you need to be. I'm sure I'll talk to you later! Derek
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Post by supergrl on Dec 24, 2005 23:53:22 GMT -5
I am logging on as Supergirl, a name created by my girlfriend, and rarely used by me(long ago, in a different life, and no more!). I am here to address an issue that someone in this forum has. You KNOW who you are.
If you have to go out of your way to slander people, and pass you judgements on to other people, even to the point of entering into the physical world, then you have issues. Not that this was only said in the real world, but to others on this forum. I went back to school this semester and didn't realise what you had done. I could not see then, as I can now. Everyone's high opinion of me had been manipulated into something very different, and I could feel that clearly. I couldn't understand how one person's judgements feel be so strong, but in fact this person had went out of their way to let everyone else know, in the forum, and even spreading into my outside life! However now I can clearly see I was not feeling one person's judgement but many. You need to check your intentions very closely!! You can't contol people, or judge them, you need to accept them as being human. I can see why you acted as you did, and that is OK, in fact you helped me see who my true friends really were. But when I now see something that I do not agree with I CONFRONT it, instead of acting out of fear. Yup, I did lie when I first came to the forum! When I came to this forum I was in shambles, I was a wreck and didn't know what I needed. But, alas, I am strong now, and can see. When you can accept the bad in life, and in others, you can accept the good as well. I see my own actions, as well as yours, in myself and in everyone....the key to seeing clearly. You should be ashamed of yourself, in your actions. Don't worry, I do forgive you. However I direct you to my post earlier in this thread. Have a good one!
You can delete this message if you want to, I care not, at least YOU see it.
~Derek
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Post by crazycat on Dec 25, 2005 0:46:42 GMT -5
Good Lord, Michael, going by that website we all have demons out the kazoo. They even consider an ingrown hair a demon. They are really on the radical side, are they not? ;D They are saying that every little flaw/imperfection is a demon. I just have to wonder how perfect they themselves are. LOL! I notice they do not have pictures of themselves. And for Pete's sake, they sale MaryKay makeup right their on their website! I wonder if they use it themselves to hide their flaws. Hehe! Michael going by them we are all victims, filled with a "legion" of demons. I have never known not one Christian person that does not suffer as much as the rest of humanity. Maybe I have never met one of the 1%. My advice is to delete that website from your favorites and mind and listen to what Derek had to say to you. Good posting Derek.
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Post by michael on Dec 25, 2005 20:47:28 GMT -5
And to make sense of all that stuff stating that these things are demons. This is infact protective behavior for those people who do suffer negative entities.
All these behaviors listed on that website. All those claims about what are demons and what are not. These are completely related to the way negs work and influence the human mind.
I believe I have a negative entity attachment.
And I don't have to prove it too you.
Negative entities act like demons. They live in what is called human body their house. They live in the house. The human body can be the host to the negative entity or demon.
I believe it's possible that demons do exist.
It's been stated threw history and different cultures much to long to go unnoticed..
I believe that demons are possibly part of astral wildlife from the lower dimension of the physical world.
One important note. You can accept ILLUMINATI- all the bad in your life and more. That is serious problem in this lifetime if ignored that wont get solved. I'd suggest to be street wise and be much better then humanity in the light.
If you accept all that is saten- actually do nothing about it in your life you aren't very spiritual people.
Am I right?
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Post by zayin on Dec 25, 2005 22:01:55 GMT -5
How can I not re-register and answer this question, from my friend?
Michael, If you accept others and the negative in others as being aspects of humanity you will raise the resonance of you vibrational energy to th epoint where lower level entities cannot even see you. Entities are attracted to the levels of entities that are close to the same resonance. By accepting yourself and others, you will allow the light to shine, you will attract helpful entities to you, loving entities that will help you transcend, and leave these negative energies. When you say "you are not very spiritual people" you are only judging, and thus attracting harmful entities to you. Save yourself. You say that accepting humanity is doing nothing, when in fact it opens your heart to forgivness in others and yourself, and compasion. Is this not spiritual? You will not experience the nagual(good) without seeing clearly, and accepting the bad(tonal). This is not saying that you can go ahead and be negative, in fact when you accept others and yourself, you condition the bad.
I am not saying that negative entities do not exist, to do so would deny negativity as a human(universal) traight. I am saying that in your current state of judgment and denial, that you yourself are focusing only on the negative, and thus are atracted to, and attracting negative to you, while denying the light. Do not worry you can change this, I did.
Have you seen the movie 'Exorcism of emily rose"? Perhaps you think you are possesed by demons, and that this is divine intervention? Then I suggest you call a priest to perform an exorcism, and to look no further here for answers regarding this. However I do not think so, I see this is not the case. I think the best advice I can give you, my friend and brother, is to have an open mind to helping yourself.
I wish you light, ~Derek
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Post by zayin on Dec 25, 2005 23:12:37 GMT -5
Michael, I see that you have the strength in you to overcome these negatives, and not let them hurt you any longer. Your actions in restraint showed me this, and actions speak louder than words. All I can now suggest is just to think about these things a little, roll em around in your head, and listen to your inner voice. Do not let the fear that is in us all defeat you.
I wish you luck, Derek
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Post by zayin on Dec 26, 2005 2:54:51 GMT -5
I feel my story needs to be finished to show the results.
Surely if I had been engulfed in judgement and in anger, I wouldn't have been able to correct the problem. A warrior (not that I say I am yet) has to follow through with what he/she says they will do. I said that I would care for everyone's plants for them. That is my duty since I accepted the responsibilty.
Also, some of the plants at the bottom of the bin, were unsavable. So now do I say the dead plants were someone else's, and not my own, keeping the plants that lived for myself, making someone else suffer the loses? I said I would take care of them, after all.
In the act of saving these plants, caring for them, rescuing them, and accepting the lose as my own, through my responsibilty, as well as accepting my friend as human, opened me up to the energy of the plants more then I had ever felt. I watered them, and all the other plants in the greenhouse, with a deeper feeling of love, one that made me joyous to the point that I wanted to even weep. I wanted to never stop watering them and giving them this care, feeling their warmth in return. I did not want to leave. If I had submitted myself to judgment and not accepted my friend, and my responsibily, I would have missed the boat completely.
A person has to be careful of the responsibility they accept, and be sure that they will give themselves completely to it. I do not regret accepting this resposibility. Every act you make is important, and needs to be follwed through, thus the reason I returned here, to this thread. ~Derek
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Dec 26, 2005 11:08:40 GMT -5
dear michael.. if you believe in something the more it will manifest to be true to yourself.. perhaps a positive outlook would wipe out most negativitiy..I beleive that if we create a positive aura around us, that is what the world will see, and for some reason when I am in a positive frame of mind it seems to be much more powerful than when Im negative and it influences everything around me..even in possible other reality's..
what are you saying by this that if I do not accept satan, I therefore and not spiritual.. sprituality is following oneself, not others...
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Post by zayin on Dec 26, 2005 13:52:01 GMT -5
Michael, I will say this a clearly. Yes, you have to confront your negative entity(s). But in order to do so you have to be first willing to see it, and accept it for what it is. You need to overcome the fear in this, and shine. When you do this you can confront this entity. And I think when you are ready to confront this, and see the nagative in yourself, and in others as part of us all, you will have already overcome this.
Yes everyone's path is different, and everyone needs to see the things they need to see, however this is a universal traight, that i think applies to all paths (or atleast paths that lead to freedom).
PS-Thank you Existenceisadream for your insight regarding your negs in OBE/energy state, and your experiences in confonting them. The help that you have posted throughout the boards helps people (like you see), even if it is not immidiate! Thanks again.
Crazycat, Thank you for your support and conformation in this. I wish I did not look for conformation at times, but my states of awareness, though fluid now, do not have the nessacery energy(power) to sustain them. And so at times I shift back to a place of doubt. Thanks again.
~Derek
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Post by zayin on Dec 26, 2005 14:55:12 GMT -5
If other's are having the same problem as me(insuffient power to sustain shifts/movements in awareness) then perhaps the tool that I am useing can benifit you as well(Carlos Castaneda's or more accurately Toltec knowledge). This is close to theraputic counciling, but much more IMO. The art of the warrior lies within the realm of action, not in indle contemplation. Your brain and your fear wants you contemplate the map before you, while going nowhere at all… lilacsky.proboards39.com/index.cgi?board=magickal&action=display&thread=1134400753&page=1
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Post by crazycat on Dec 26, 2005 15:26:44 GMT -5
Jesus spent 40 days and nights in the desert fasting and praying as his way of confronting his satan within. He came through it choosing to serve the light/love.
We all have that same choice. Most Christians believe that satan/demons/negative traits (whatever one chooses to call it) is something that is outside of themself that can have power over you. In the Christian belief, the first thing one has to come to terms with is the fact that we all have a sinful/ negative natural that ones has to take reponsibility for, no longer blame it on someone/something else. We also all have the Christ spirit within/light/love/God (whatever you want to call that). The man Jesus became that Christ Spirit personafied by confronting the satan/negative/death within and chose to allow the light/love/life to rule over all even to the death and sacrifice of his physical body. We all have this same Christ Spirit/satan within. We all have the free will to choose which side of duality we want to allow to serve/to rule over.
If you have a negative entity attachments, it isn't something outside of yourself. It was created by some belief you chose to believe. Once you except that and confront what within you that created it will be puff and gone from you if that is what your truly want. We all have negative attachments caused from some belief we chose to believe. We create our own reality. We have death/sickness/pain because we chose to believe they exist. We have a duality nature because that is what we chose to believe. The truth is that one side of that duality is actually false/an illusion. And since the word satan itself means lie/illusion, it is simple to deduct that love/light represents what is truth. So chose to let your love/light shine and the lies/illusions will desolve. Puff! Just like magic.
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Post by zayin on Dec 26, 2005 15:55:55 GMT -5
Yes that is a good story Crazycat, The only thing I will add, is I do not think there is any amount of magic to make the negative disappear completely. I think it will always be there as part of the world and part of ourselves. The temptation is there even in the highest of resonances, but feeling the joy of the light will give you strength to confront the temptations so they will have little or no control over you through fear. Why would we want to leave the light to stay in the darkness? I think that if you believe that the nagative does not exist in yourself, then you will be denyng it, placing yourself in a position of ego, higher then the rules, and thus falling back into the cycle.
Even Jesus, when he was being nailed to the cross, asked His Father why he must suffer so badly, and feared. Alas, he did not let this fear overcome Him.
There I said what I needed to say, and I believe there is nothing more for me to add.
~Derek
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Post by crazycat on Dec 27, 2005 6:08:06 GMT -5
I was just using poof like magic as a tongue in cheek expression. I don't believe evil can be desolved by magic.
I don't believe there has been very many humans that have had experiences past the 4th or 5th dimensions. I do believe that there is still some negativity even into those dimensions and possibly into the 6th, but I would say not into the 7th being the number 7 is the perfect god number and all. Going by the "bible myth or reality" (whichever one believes it is), Satan was kicked out/not allowed into the higher godly realms. It was banished forever to remain in the lower realms, mainly the three lowest realms. Only those who have confronted their negativity and chose to serve love and light can evolve and experience the 4th dimensions on up. The 4th dimension is the 1st step into the higher spiritual realms. The way I see it, the first two dimensions would be the realms of hell and this 3D realm we are in is the like a bridge realm in between the light and dark realms.
From what I have read from different sources the 4th dimension has several layers or steps within it. The way I see also, the lower fourth dimension is what OBER's call the RTZ and is closest to what we experience in 3D but is not experienced in time/space. Then you have what is called the parallel universes, which is something I find hard to get my mind to understand. I could see/understand if these parallel universe are the different layers of the 4th and maybe 5th, 6th dimensions.
I personally believe in reincarnation ( as of now,until someone can prove to me it's not so) and that we have many soul/ego selves that have lived upon the earth and possible other planets. I also believe that all these dimensions; lower and higher are within us. We are all spheres/universes unto our selves. The way I see it, the bible is the Creator God's law, the blueprint of all creation. The micro and the macro.
Going by what the bible says, mankind both collectively and personally is not a completed product yet in time/space. We are still in the process of being created. I guess one could actually say the whole of creation is not in a completed state as of yet where we are experiencing and have not entered into Creator God's eternal day of rest. Believing the above would be the only way I could believe in evolution. I sure do not believe we evolved from the monkey. Upon completion the illusion that is the lower realms/all negativity/ Satan will be consumed by the Lake of fire ,whatever that is. I personally believe it is the Holy Spirit personified. Satan is the personification of evil, the beast within. The price the Creator paid to create beings of free will.
I lean more toward the Christian believe system, but have problems with some of the religious establishments interpretations and practices.
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Post by bezjak on Dec 27, 2005 14:43:37 GMT -5
This cycle that we (meaning all life) are caught in,is more then just living and dying, religion was founded by men with more or less the same spiritual restrictions that most of us humans have. Do not restrict your beliefs, do not deny what you truly are. A child of the stars.
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Post by michael on Dec 28, 2005 22:01:23 GMT -5
I've made a long post but on my mistake it got deleted. Im angry. Im totally uninspired right now.
I will have to come back here later and reply. This is making it more confusing then it really is.
I feel your level of support. Thankyou
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Post by batgirl2good on Dec 29, 2005 18:37:58 GMT -5
That's a good story! Thank you! Michael, This is my opinion, as it relates to me, The battle of God, and Satan lies within yourself, and thus in humanity. Both are aspects of humanity, and must be accepted as such. We must accept that the aspects of 'Satan' are human and are in all of us, in order to allow and accept the aspects of 'God'. We can't accept one without the other. Both are equaly important, they are aspects of humanity. This leads to understanding our fellow brothers and sisters, and raising our vibrational resonance to a higher point to where negativity can be understood, accepted, and seen in everyone. When we accept 'Satan' in others by relating with ourselves(seeing it ourselves), we overcome this. We choose to live in 'Heaven' or in 'Hell'. Here is a personal story I'll share with you in relation to what I mean by accepting leads to overcoming. Since I live close to my campus, I took on the responsibilty of watering and fertilizing all the plants at school. One friend had firmly told me not to water his plants, as he would be in everyday to do so. And he wants to learn on his own. Cool I accepted that, and told him I'm the same way. So I watered and cared for all the plants but his. His plants died in result. Not my problem but his lesson to learn. Now I went in to the school and discovered that he had thrown out all my chrysanthemums, and many other peoples (who he didn't realise weren't all my own). I see that he saw all the healthy plants I had kept, and saw that I did not water his. Initialy I was angry at him, and visualised many scenarios involving negativite situations. This state did not last long at all and realised something. I went to the garbage and repotted all the plants and re-watered them. When I saw him instead of freaking out, I accepted him for being human. I told him that I am like him, and see myself in him, after all I share humanity with him. I said it's OK, we all have to learn how to be human, and to deal with the feelings associted with humanity. We learn to live in 'heaven' or in 'hell'. ~Derek And this concludes my stay! Thanks everyone for all your help on my path! Much love and light to everyone here! I wish you all well, have a joyous path my friends! ~Derek
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Post by michael on Dec 31, 2005 22:24:54 GMT -5
Ok I will try my best to make better sense of what you are saying here. There is allot I have to disagree and I mean allot herein this topic. On the other post I made the unposted post that I was going to post but failed to do so. I talked about all the things that I don't believe is true that you have posted. Now if I spend all day trying to explain every detail for my explanation why I unfortunately disagree it would consume allot of my time. I'd think it's rather pointless too. Since Im not getting the satisfying results from a post. Why would that be satisfying you might say? Well because it's causes to much undesirable negative conflict on the board. Im not exactly sure how long it took me.
It's a surprise how open minded you guys are. I mean too, too open minded. Accepting any input you guys put down on this thread as a fact.
Im going to be highlighting some of the major problems and leaving all the minor problems behind (most). I see that disagreeing with every minor problem and arguing about it isn't worth my time. It also causes too much tension or over flooded debate for you guys to handle. I will show you what I mean by over flooding debate in a brief example.
Originally Posted by Zayin
Rule number one. Accepting saten in your life is accepting or accepting the devil to manipulate yourself because you accepted it to be that way. I can see most of you have accepted what Derek had to say for.
Not always. What your saying is the battle of god and god lies within god. What im saying is... battle of god-me and everybody and saten- part of god lies within myself- part of god.
O are you sure about that? Is acceptance so powerful that it will raise your vibration instantaneously?
Tell me Derek why are they so vitally important to humanity?
It's our choice we make it human if he want too.
Depends what level of god you want to accept and follow.
Do you want to follow the lower vibration of god the saten part?
Do you want to follow the higher vibration of god the Jesus part?
Why is that Derek?
Can you prove that?
I can judge all I want. It's my choice.
Those are great emotional feelings felt but the world hasn't changed. Well it might local forgiveness. You might of forgiven somebody locally but isn't going to change the world if you forgive somebody who bombed the Twin Tower's on purpose. Forgiving everybody doesn't always seem to work. If you’re looking for those forgiving feelings. Forgiving doesn't always allow those feelings to pass. Most commonly experienced those feelings from chakra activation.
I guess it is.
Accepting the bad doesn’t always make people see clearly.
Can you explain more? please
Judgment and Denial is actually healthy human behavior. One protects himself from material targeting people to accept. Accepting everything is brainwash.
Did I say I denied the light?
You are truly bending and trying to manipulating me
You are claiming that I denied the light and now you are therapeutically telling me that I can change this?
I did not say I was possessed by demons if you look at the post above properly. I believe I have some sort of negative entity attachment from experiences. I said that demons do act exactly like negative entities. I didn't say that negative entities are demons.
Im going to be highlighting some of the major problems and leaving all the minor problems behind (most). I see that disagreeing with every minor problem and arguing about it isn't worth my time. It also causes too much tension or over flooded debate for you guys to handle. I will show you what I mean by over flooding debate in a brief example.
When you read all the quotes I posted and my opinions to it. That was just a example of disagreeing with all the minor problems. I could do that to most of all your posts.
Major Problem Reply to Derek's Post about acceptance
When you accept the devil it's just like giving yourself permission to act like the devil. What I mean by acting like saten or the devil is cosmically referring that it is quite similar in nature to how a negative entity or demon would work in the same behavior as a human would. When one accepts saten's behavior as acceptable it filters threw the mind and then one thinks exactly like saten's children.
(((If all that is bad is acceptable behavior then you are just reinforcing the bad)))
The other thing about your acceptability. If you accept- trust in your enemies you accept yourself to have a problemed life. These problems in life can actually cause cracks in the aura, which will effect your spiritual. So is accepting really a spiritual beneficial tool?
Derek
The other thing that I've noticed about your post is you keep using the word accept. When you keep saying accept on almost every sentence it works on the subconscious just like a affirmation would. So when you keep saying accept enough times everything seems more acceptable then it normally would in a person’s mental dialogue. Now mixing the new accept affirmation with the open minded people around here is potential acceptable acceptance.
Originally Posted By Lilacsky22
Yes that sounds like a plan. The only problem is that negative entities are like immune to positive thinking. It might work but I doubt it. They are less resistance to white light astral energy. I believe. Not the white light visualization but real astral white light.
Orginally Posted by Crazycat
There is a difference between inner believes and things that influence people from the otherside. I did not choose to believe or think about it as possible. I didn’t know that it was humanly possible to be attached by negs to be attacked to be manipulated in dreams.
If I didn’t know then there would be nothing to believe in order to manifest the negs into my life?
And the other thing I need point out that confrontation is not enough to win the war on all negs.
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