What started this?

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Starting this thread to find out what the people on this forum think in general about life the universe and everything, so what are your beliefs about how this universe came to be, how you ended up here and what the heck happens after your kick the bucket?

[~¤LilacSky¤~]

Good question Blank I too would like to hear everyones thoughts on this..
I would like to know your thoughts as well blank,
I would say that I toss around many beleifs at once, that is is possible that we humans have been around much longer than we know of, and that we have evolved here in thought, and that we created this evolution through consciousness.
I beleive that we are in fact our own creators and that we created this life for ourselves and also that consciousness erupted, split long ago. in order to create our individual selves you can call the whole of consciousness god or the endless sea of energy..which I beleive we came from,, also I think that we humans wanted to live so badly that we manifested(created) this physical world, because in death on the other side we yearn for physcial things,and love is one of them..
I think that that our ultimate goal is to combine the spritual and physical together in a way that we can have both worlds..it only makes sence that , that is what we are doing here, trying to evolve and again bring these two levels together in order to have both eternaly.....
but again since my thoughts are always changing as I change I can't say this for sure, but one belief I have that has become a knowing more so than just a beleif is that we are here to create...that is what we do, and that is why I come to the realization that we in fact are the creators of our own worlds/life...
now that doesn't mean I don't beleive in god its just some thing I found to be true for me..and that in fact I do beleive in a god, however not one that is higher than us, but in fact balanced with us..and that we split apart form that source along time ago,
I also think that sometimes we have lived on other planets trying to again evolve and bring the two worlds together, now that we are here..in the physical, that was our first goal , now the second is to combine both worlds eventually....

Sometimes I have visions very strongly, of two worlds that lay beside eachother,split by a silver curtain.. and I am above them, I can see on one side darkness with tiny little lights watching the one that has light..yearning to be on that side of light and sunshine..
I have had dreams of this silver curtain that seems to seperate the two worlds...and I have seen these beings yearning to live again..
sounds strange but its not, very simple we want to live, thats all there is to it, and that is why we are here, we wanted it so badly that we created it..
and I am convinced also that once we do die that we will wish to live yet again, and again untill the two worlds are combined..
this is something very intimate to me, though its something that came to me in many ways, through my visions, dreams, and my feelings I have felt the other side, and I can feel this life as well, and I know that I can be inbetween the two and just observe, I think somepeople who know themselves well can see this too,and also those that can look deep enoungh into the themselves, Ithink that is where youll find most answers we seek, and you will find yourself understanding the two worlds .this is what happend to me..and I have become to understand them both quite well...

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Interesting, well it's hard to imagine having nothing exist especially when the opposite has been our experience for as long as we can remeber, however I believe that there was a void of absolute nothing. within the void there is no time or matter. But it's been shown that even nothing is unstable and little bubble begin to form there is not predetermined rules or laws governing this so there is infinate possabilitys of which I am one. There is no god and I find the idea that there is somthing which is seprate from us and the entire universe, well it just doesn't make any sense.

So what are we doing here, we are here to develop our gifts, to find that we are the gods who are creating our world and our realility, this realisation is the 1st part the 2nd is to become effective creators and to help others find their paths whatever they may be, the goal in life is to do that which gives our lives meaning.

Death well don't fear the reaper, you'll be back your actions in this life mark and affect your soul once we have done all that we ourselves deem nessecery then we will be like jesus or budda, after long enough this world will be a rather enlightened place.

well untill I find somthing which modifys these beliefs...

[~¤LilacSky¤~]

There is no god and I find the idea that there is somthing which is seprate from us and the entire universe, well it just doesn't make any sense.

so what are you meaning here??
I don't understand how the God must be higher than us, I don't know what is is with humans and superioraty..??thats what doesn't make sense to me..why must there always be something greater...higher..
and yes I also beleive that we are here to help eachother evolve, and the sooner that people figure this out the better haha.
I think we choose who we wanted to work with before this life..I think that is why some people are striking familar more than others..

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I dont believe in god, if we are all one then how is it that anything can exist outside of existance

[~¤LilacSky¤~]

it is the source you see, the source perhaps that split in the beganing, and that perhaps is still out there, sometimes I just think its the universe breathing, its energy, and consciousness, does exist upon us, so sometimes I think god is in fact the entire universe..but I think that its a bit more complex, as I say that we split from it long long ago, it still remains, what ever it is..and I think we willl go back to it, when we die, I also see a picture that is circle everything is inside of it, as we move inwards through the layers, we are connecting to the source again, through conscousness..energy..the sea of cosncousness I can feel it sometimes, I can feel the presese of something more out there, and it could be in fact the universe and all its energy, or it could be my own creation, however I have felt it since I was a child.
another interesting thing about myself is that at a very young age I remember thinking "wow it worked Im here, Im alive", yes I had this thought when I was very young ,four or five or maybe younger, and a child usually does not think that way, but I swear to you, I was amazed that I was alive and that I existed, I think its very neat, and I honor myself for noticing such things, I would like to ask all of you, the same, perhaps what was your first thoughts on this earth, in your life,
perhaps you can try to feel where you were before you ended up here, ...I think as a child though I wanted to know about myself and what this life was, another thing kids usually don't care for, so I ended up observing llife and everything around me, and I think this granted me understanding of life itself and death as well , and also gave me the ability to see everything as it realy was rather than how it was portrayed in reality...
I followed this, and I came to aknowledge there is something out there, however, it does n't mean its greater than us, but there is something at work here, underneath the surface...and Im still unsure of what that is exactly , but I continue feeling it today...

[Potential]

Dreamy Mind Prison, like thoughts, has no beginning and no end. You can spend aeons thinking and still be in it.

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ah I think i see what you mean now lilac, it's the collective concionous of all existance, of which us, our lives, are a mere fragment or as I like to call it, the quantum field. Tell me if I am off what you ment here....

[~¤LilacSky¤~]

potential can you elaborate?lol,
and yeah blank thats pretty much what Im saying. I think that things can be simplified and the answers are right in front of us, we just choose not to see, or make things difficult, because that is our nature..
I think we molded and shaped this reality to our liking..and that we will continue to do so as we evolve..perhaps we even have explored other planets at one time..I think again our goal is to bring the spritual with the physical,
sometimes I have a feeling that death is not so satisfacory afterall, and that we will yearn to live again and again, sometimes I get a glimpse of these beings yearning to live, watching us..its strange but Ive had many lucid dreams where I saw this..and I beleive that its very simple that we wish to live..and will continue to do so untill perhaps we can live in the physical forever..eternal
and that god is a thing, just like the universe, perhaps god is the membranes which lay all things inside of it, as i said I also see everything in a circle, perhaps god is that very circle..but I would rather call it the divine or something else, even the universe, because Im tired of the name god..lol again its a man created thing, since we must have power and seek power..the almighty..
I honestly think death will be very differant than life, there will be no feelings,because again that is a created physical thing..
however I do think it is more a infinate knowledge that will be given at death..of all space and time..of all things..

[mykodd]

what do you mean?
to say "what started this" assumes before this there was nothing
or at least something else, I could accept the idea of something else, but not nothing.

when people talk of "the big bang" i think of a chain of bangs & crunches,
i think of death as transformation, a caterpiller cannot see too far ahead,
so how would it know ehat it becomes after the big sleep?
would one concider reincarnational transmigration more serously
after an evening with "Koko the sighn language gorilla"?

If reality is only what we say it is,
will we outmode sphercal worlds
one day in the future, just like one day
when we outmoded the flat earth?

[crazycat]

"A human being is part of the whole, called by us the "Universe" - a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest - a kind of optical delusion of consciousness."

Albert Einstein

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"I am thy Dawn, from darkness to release;
I am the Deep, wherein thy sorrow cease;
Be still be still! and know that I am God:
Acquaint thyself with Me, and be at peace!

Erase that record of the palimpsest:
Within thee, by the scribe of time impressed:
And on the smoothed surface write anew:
"I am All-Wisdom, Righteousness, and Rest,"

I am alone: thou only art in Me:
I am the stream of Life that flows through thee:
I comprehend all substances, fill all space:
I am pure Being, by whom all things be.

Yes, I am Spirit: In thy depths I dwell:
Art conscious of My presence, all is well:
Cleave but to that-thyself are thine own heaven,"

Out of the Silence

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What started this? Hmmmm...my favorite subject.whooopee!

Takes a deep breath. ;D

If we are this mighty being that created the universe and the 3D world we live and have our being in, this world separated by time and space.... Would we, the creation of this being be just as superior as that mighty being?

Which comes first ,,,the chicken or the egg?

If you created a created a 2D painting, would the painting be just as superior as you the one who created the painting?


Funny, the created man somewhere along the way reasoned that he was the most superior, maybe getting caught up with his prime directory of survivng (mostly likely) and lost touch with the spiritual essence within, his creator parent that gave him life, the ability to create, the ability to reason and all the other traits of himself. Created them in his on image.... this created being was created with six senses, sight, hearing, touch, smell, taste, and the 6th sense (a spiritual sense/mental powers) which are the tools used for growth/evolving. The five pointed star represents a beastly being who's 6th sense (spiritual abilities) failed to developed or was used in a negative way. Or was not allowed to develope in this first inmuture stage. Some did grow and evolve which resulted in the great civilizations such as Atlantis.

He (man) eventually became his own "god" the " Satan" (the illusion or image of "God" the mighty creator being) , after all was he not the most superior to all the other creature in his 3D space/time world? And who is to say there is really anything besides this physical universe? The more he got caught up/"lost" in the physical the less conscious he became that there ever was anything else. There came a point where he was no longer conscious of the spiritual, it became a fact that was forgotten. That was the creation of Death. This took place over eons of time until man was reduced to a state of being that was not much above the animal kingdom. The lowly beastly caveman.... and the great civilizations who believed themselves their own 'god' , cause negativity and power struggles of the greatest minds which caused them in the end to destroy themselves.

(The first stage in the developement of man.)


The mighty creator being took notice and had pity upon his created humans (his children) that were in this great state of entropy and he created a new human and set him in the garden(spiritual womb to develope until the time was right) to replendish this created world/start anew and this new being was conscious of the spiritual. He was given a more evolved sixth sense that included "The Creator Father's laws/word written within" in the persona of a "higher-self being" (the god being [the blueprint so to speak] that soul is developing into) to led and guide. He and his soulmate/(his soul divided into two) where perfect in every way and communed with his Creator Father everyday and all his needs where being met. But the persona god "satan", that was created by the former created human, became filled with jealousies and anger. Blah, blah, blah!

This newly created human was an evolved human, endowed with a new ability that would keep him from total entropy/death.

It came time for this new spiritual human to leave the womb/garden and be placed into the physical realm. The persona "satan" was used as a tool (cataylst) to cause this process to come about..Blah, blah..... There is still remnants left from the old first stage human types. So you have the sheep and the goats/positive and negative living together under the same sky. We have all experienced being the goat and we will all experienced being the sheep.

I could write much more about this second stage of man, but that would turn into a book. The second stage of human is represented by the 6 pointed star.

This second stage of human developement has resulted in the creation of the persona of a "God Savior", When this took place, the second stage began to come to an end and the third and final stage where we step into/transformed into our "godhood" began. This "godhood" stage has been in a state of incubation for the past 2000 years.

Can't you just feel it?. ...that this inbetween incubation time is about over and be are going to be transformed as well as our beloved home earth into the fullness of what our Creator Father has had in mind from the begining of time. Actually this whole space/time universe could be seen as an incubator... the womb of the Creator.

What Started this?..... LOVE!

[crazycat]

I forgot to add, to state what type of star represents the third stage human. It would be a 3D star, the Merkaba symbol. Two pyramids meshed together.

[~¤LilacSky¤~]

Actually this whole space/time universe could be seen as an incubator... the womb of the Creator.

interesting way of putting it all cc..I liked reading that, but Im having trouble reading the poem lol, maybe you can change it to yellow or pink or something I can read..My eyes are bad haha..
and I love reading things like this because it realy makes me think in a new light and that Is what I love to do.is to.find new ways of seeing things..thanks!

[Arivis]

It's hard to believe that there could've been nothing and now there is something. What energy coalesced to form the void of space and from there premediatate it's way into conceiving life? But if God were in existence could that explain it all or leave more questions ?
Are we created/evolved to become over many many years yet to come gods are self ? Trancendent beings that have evolved to the point that are advances intellectually and materially give us ascension to this rank of godhood or do we become all powerful beings serving as a pantheon for others to worship.....one of the other evolving races somewhere in time and space ?

Rip roaring fun this is

[crazycat]

Arivis, have you ever read the Urantia book? I've only read bits and pieces, but your reply reminded me of it.

Life is a bowl of cherries, we just have to watch out for the pits. I've always like that saying.

Oh, BTW, I have not seen you on here before. Are you new? If so.

[Arivis]

Well, thank you Crazycat for the welcome and no I've never read Urantia. Sounds interesting......what is it about ?
I'm assuming something about religious evolution ?

[crazycat]

No I think it is more another version of how us and the Universe came into being. Not real for sure, but for some reason your reply caused me to think of it. LOL! Beats Me. I haven't read it. I think it's new age stuff. You can read it online free. Just put Urantia Book in seach line. Never mind I looked it up for you.

www.urantiabook.org/web_intro1.htm

It does sound pretty interesting, but I've just never taken the time to read much on it.

[andin]

I believe in evolution as to how humans came about, but where did every thing else come to be that has ever lived on this planet? That is the question I have always wondered. If we evolved from apes, what did the apes evolve from or rather come from? Where did the dinosaurs and all the other creatures/animals of pre-human times come from? Plants can be explained from the creation of Earth as it may relate to the Big Bang theory and also from other "space" matter that falls to the Earth. I know that some of the current species on the planet have evolved from dinosaurs and other creatures/animals, but there has to be a beginning somewhere. Hmmm...I think I've given myself more questions than answers.