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Post by sxy on Dec 13, 2005 3:17:09 GMT -5
"OutSide the Box" I find I am being tempted by alot of great sounding ideas though,..more so on a doubtful path... ...intended so ," meaningly God intended "... ? OBE is outside the Box I know what is asked of us in the flesh...and death comes to all, God wants us to be more than this flesh. We need to let (God in us )surface . Thats what I get out of - embryonic. I think we are ready for God to reveal himself... ( God in Us ) Like Jesus, he told us we could do the same things and more..as he did > what does this say about us ? You choose hell when you reject Jesus Christ. When you refuse God's love gift of eternal life in Jesus Christ. . . * Has there ever come a time and a place in your life, when you received Jesus Christ as your personal Savior? If not, you are on the way to hell so I've been told...! TRUTH about worm ... www.av1611.org/hell.htmlquote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the LAKE OF FIRE." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ~SXY~
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Post by nani on Dec 14, 2005 11:27:09 GMT -5
hello SXy, Im just reading a real exciting book which is telling the results of researches which have been done about Near-Death-Experiences. They found out that most of those people who believed in hell - did meet hell in their experience (which was caused by an accident or in hospital or what). All others who didnt have any belief in hell or the straight christian beliefssystem either saw and met dead relatives or any figuesres of their own belief-system. A kind of proof that people meet what they do expect to meet, even subconsciously only. I dont believe in hell, so I hope that I also dont believe subconsciously in such a thing, cause I aint got any desire to waste my time with such a thing like the devil, I`ll rather blow him away in saying: "get miles man!!, otherwise I`ll bite your ugly head off" Lol. But I believe in Jesus of course, I believe in love, final justice and freedom. love and freedom to all beings, Nani
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Post by sxy on Dec 17, 2005 2:24:58 GMT -5
Yes , Jesus is of course,love and final justice, it is interesting >the studies ,about the sub.mind, I think the message the bible gives is to in turn generate the sub conscious to have power over evil and death by that same imagery.
What ever the answer is , I love coincidences, and the words are all there, it may be just as simple as that, ,,,,ME TOO !!!! I have plans ,but not with EVIL <^';;'^>
~SXY~
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Post by zayin on Dec 17, 2005 13:07:02 GMT -5
My opinion on heaven, shangri-la, nirvana, etc is pretty simple. When I asked Jesus to enter into my heart and free me from sin the result was heaven. The vibrations of my energy changed to a higher state, my awareness changed and I had many answers without thinking of them. Therefor Hell is simple for me as well. It is a state of low vibrational energy. When I am depressed and low I am attracted to the same vibrations. I think that the current frequency of our vibrational energy is heaven or hell. If you are depressed and do not like yourself do you really think you are going to some place where people are murderers and rapists or with 'people' lower then you? I don't, rather I think you will simply be with those at the same state as you. Just because you are sad doesn't mean you will catch on fire and burn in hell forever in pain. When you are at a low frequency you can't even see the entities that are super high, nor will they see you, unless they want to. I think heaven and hell is simply the state your energy body is at. IMO when our physical body dies we are left with the state of our energy body. If our energy body is undeveloped or very low then that is what we are left with when we die.
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Post by altairyard on Dec 27, 2009 1:47:37 GMT -5
There is seven hell right ?
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Post by BenHangen on Feb 13, 2010 14:06:48 GMT -5
I would perceive this as more of when is hell as apposed to where hell is. We are children of mixed blood of both heaven and hell. If you look at man’s heritage from Eden to a suspected future of where we are headed, what kind of reward would you give mankind? You inherit what you have sewn!
Sxy I can’t find the words to express my argument of hell isn’t the center of the earth as that is not a bottomless pit. With me hell is this Eternity of multiple dimensions, higher/lower frequencies, and the hunger man has to endure. When hunger is no more then reasoning begins.
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Apr 1, 2010 6:48:54 GMT -5
this reminds me of the movie what dreams may come.
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Post by mandala on Dec 26, 2010 20:24:19 GMT -5
I believe the bible was written by men of ancient times to subjugate other tribes to their rule by frightening them into believing they had the answers and the most supreme god, or force, in which to control them.
Hell only exists in one's mind.
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Post by Dancing Bear on Dec 28, 2010 2:37:13 GMT -5
this reminds me of the movie what dreams may come. I love that movie!! I agree Hell only exists in ones mind!!
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Post by labell on Jan 1, 2011 18:22:14 GMT -5
I have to disagree here.. Yellow and blue make green. Light and water are said to produce Life. together they can be percieved as the two interchangable elements creating life. Remember the bible says 'do onto other as..." and "judge not.." and be kind to your neighbours". To view people as inducing fear for control is exactly the opposite of the bibles statements.. perhaps the bible was made (in that era and in that regard) nereky as a warning to help others stay away from what the 'publishers' had erronously found, thus warning and providing the best answers for that time as to how to stay out of such places.. afterall one thing can be seen in many ways, and that is life's rainbow, and so i would suggest that if one jumps to an impulsive judgement to instead take another gander and spin a positive light instead. the choice is there.... remember the most aweful or the most glorious can potentially exist within the very same rain bow.. so turn that frown upside and make into a smile!!
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Post by Dancing Bear on Jan 6, 2011 6:42:02 GMT -5
I think Labell it depends on ones perception, of how the bible came about. and whether one is ok with how the bible came into creation.
There are many many more condratictatory statements throughout the entire bible.
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Post by crazycat on Jan 8, 2011 8:38:49 GMT -5
I looked up most of those versus listed in that article Sxy posted and most of them are speaking of the grave and do not use the word hell itself. Jesus spent 3 days and nights in the grave not hell. Actually, the way I am seeing it all those words.....hell, gehenna, sheols, hades, the pit, the heart of the earth, the grave are all synonymous, all meaning the same. As far as I know, the bible does not say hell is a bottonless pit. (Ben) At least I could not find that anywhere in the bible. I don't know where the bottomless pit teaching came from. Carlsbad Caves maybe. Hehe! We can be just as dead here on the earth walking around as we are in the grave spiritually speaking. Even those who go to the higher astral realm after their physical death are still dead in their sins/karma most likely or they would not have to return to the physical again and again and again. They just made it to the astral heavens because of their good works and positive thinking, I suppose! Or as the new agers say, they raised their frequency. There is still a separation from the God source, even for them. In a physical body or out of a physical body we are dead and in torment of the hell fire/suffering already and still until we have been saved, brought spiritually back to life by the blood of Christ Jesus. Our soul never dies, but stays in torment/sufferings until we are saved off the wheel of life. The human being died spiritually after Adam and Eve committed the first sin and the only way to bring a soul back to spiritual life is to be cleanse by the blood of Christ Jesus. NO religion made that rule, God did. Adam and Eve were meant to be eternal physical beings. They spiritually died immediately the day the ate of the tree of good and evil. They were separated from God that day. Their physical body lived on for many years still separated from God. The people before the flood lived alot longer than after the flood. After the flood mankind was alotted only 120 years of physical life. I don't know for sure if reincarnation is a fact or not, but it does appear to be so. A soul continues being reclyced until "the" judgement day, since going by the bible spiritually dead souls, death and hades (the grave) are thrown into the lake of fire, which is the second death. At that point duality will be done away with both on earth and in the astral realm. Our purpose for being here as co-creators it to take part in the creating of heaven on earth. From that verse in Revelation where it speaks of death and hades/hell being thrown into the lake of fire it would mean that hell is something different than the lake of fire. If not the verse would be saying death and hell/hades is thrown into hell, that would not make any sense. So I summize in the light of all that, that hell and the lake of fire is two separate concepts. Revelation 21:6-8 (King James Version) 6. And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Buddha Prophesized about Jesus (Yeshua) Buddha's Date of Birth: approx. 563 Before Christ (BC) www.bibleprobe.com/buddhatoldofjesus.htmGoing by this article Buddha prophesized about Jesus almost 500 years before Jesus was born. In this article Buhhda stated that a person could never balance their karma by good works...even the most devoted monk could not. If you follow the links at the end of that webpage you will find even more evidence that the only way off the wheel of life is through the life and works of Christ Jesus. A gift of salvation/eternal life he offers to all who come and ask of him the forgiveness of their sin. Dancing Bear there are no contradictions in the bible, just people's mis-interptations of the meanings. When a verse is taking out of context you can make it say anything you want.....like Jordan Maxwell did in that Zeitgeist movie.
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