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Post by Dancing Bear on Sept 11, 2006 19:56:31 GMT -5
In light of the deaths of two of our greatest Australian Icons, Steve Irwin and Peter Brock,
ANd with 9/11 upon us, I was lying there wondering about my beleifs and thought is there such a thing as " Going before your time"?
I have always believed that we pass over when we are meant to be! Our job is done and we are needed elsewhere.. We were born with our death date stamped upon us.
Thinking about these massive death tolls that are coming from the terrorist attacks, was all of those people numbers up( all at once), regardless of how they went they will pass over when they are meant to, whether it be a terrorist attack or another way. It was meant to be!
This has really challenged my beliefs and i have thought about it long and hard, and have come to my conclusion, I would just like to hear anyone elses point of view on it all.
Do you beleive it was meant to be regardless?
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Do you beleive They went before their time?
I know it is a touchy subject for some but i would like to know your opinion.
DB xxx
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Post by Lena on Sept 11, 2006 22:05:05 GMT -5
My honest opinion is that their souls acquiesced to passing in that way, and at that time. That is not to say it had to happen, or to excuse the actions of people, who made it happen.
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Post by bezjak on Sept 15, 2006 11:11:23 GMT -5
There are events in my life that should have killed me but didn't.....so I'm prone to say when your "time" comes "we" go. I also "know" that though we may feel sadness when a friend/loved one passes, we should also rejoice in the thought that someone we loved has returned "home".
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Post by Lena on Sept 15, 2006 15:28:44 GMT -5
There are events in my life that should have killed me but didn't.....so I'm prone to say when your "time" comes "we" go. I also "know" that though we may feel sadness when a friend/loved one passes, we should also rejoice in the thought that someone we loved has returned "home". I agree completely. What I do wonder about are suicides... |
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Post by crazycat on Sept 15, 2006 17:49:53 GMT -5
I just read the last few chapters of Roselind McKnight's book last night and her and Monroe where doing some soul retrival work together. She wrote in her book that these people who are in a tragic accident do not alway realized they have died so they stay earthbound and are the ones people see as ghost. They stay in the astral at what ever level they were on when they died until they finally come to the realization that they have died physically or is helped to realize that. As for suicides, what she had to say about them would make one not ever want to even consider doing that to yourself no matter how much pain you are going through. She said that when they die their pain is not relieved, but is felt even stronger because your physical body acts as a sort of buffer, so when the physical body is taken away the pain is increased. That is for those who commit suicide because of mental and emotional pain. Those who end their lives only because of physical pain it is not quiet so bad, but they all have to stay in the astral at their level at least until for what ever time they had left on earth would have been. Then they are allowed to move on, either to reincarnate or whatever. So going by that one would think people do die before their time was up. Maybe there is some of both.  |
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Post by Lena on Sept 15, 2006 18:03:24 GMT -5
Linda, it makes sense that they would be a little disoriented after a sudden death, even if their soul decided in advance to undergo that experience. As for suicide, it sort of makes sense too. I mean if they weren't open to divine guidance while here, they wouldn't automatically open up to it once they pass. But I'm sure after some time of upheaval, higher guidance and healing are available to them, and at that time they decide how to accomplish those goals that they originally intended to in that lifetime. That's my understanding for this moment of time.
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Post by Dancing Bear on Sept 16, 2006 5:45:41 GMT -5
I agree to a certain degree with Roselind Mcknight.Most spirit that has not passed over to the next level are the ones you see, But some can see those who are on that higher level, I know a few who can, when i talk to my guide and other peoples guides i also see them. they obviously have passed over to the higher planes.. But then maybe she wasnt talking about them.. and a diferent subject altogether. But i do agree majority of spirit people see are of those who do not know they have passed over, so therefore have not passed on. You do get your visitation spirit who do know they have passed over and yet choose to still visit places and people they still love. It is your residential spirit who are stuck in their time warp.
Suicide thats a real hard one.. were they meant to take their own lives all along? I agree with majority are stuck on a plane they cant seem to get off of.. Until they realise what they have done, but it makes me wonder if all they have gone through while alive and dead , i wonder whether it was all meant to be in the grand plan and sceme of things. Was it all meant to be for the Soul to grow and realize the lesson they needed to go through to help ascend to the next level.. I am just thinking aloud here and by all means not a belief, But i am leaning towards it.
You know i look at it all and just wonder whether every single piece of suffering and joy, taking ones life and or going in pain or being blown up or just going peacefully in your sleep was just meant to be.. I have read somewhere we decide what we die of and when...... before we are even born. Of course there is no way of knowing really whether this be true. Or do we have a number..... un-beknown to ourselves and if we have done everything we wanted to do in that time it is a bonus if not we must come back?? I find it all very fasinating.
My Guide when he was alive Knew when his time was up years and years before he actually died, he knew it was going to be the 30th July but did not know which year. So every 1st of August he would renew his life insurance.. LOL!! He always believed he was marked at birth with his date of death..
He actually did die on the 30th of July.
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Post by elvinlady on Sept 16, 2006 10:53:32 GMT -5
A lot to read and think about here. I have wondered about things like this. I will have to read a few more times and think about it to see how I feel.
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Post by crazycat on Sept 16, 2006 13:23:18 GMT -5
If you take reality creation into consideration here, for the guy to believe so strongly that he would die on that date, his dwelling upon it would actually cause that event to come about.
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Post by Dancing Bear on Sept 16, 2006 23:28:49 GMT -5
I agree CC, but not in his case.. I do admit he tempt fate, beleiving so strongly it was not his time and if his number on the next bomb so be it. But he would walk home in the middle of the bombing in London WWll His wife would be hysterical knowing he would walk right on through it.. He would say well if that bomb so happened to have those numbers on it (307) then there would be nothing anyone could do..
But he died of Cancer and i dont really he could have really manipulated the date of death when you are dying of Cancer... But htne hey CC you never know.. I really dont know that is why i started this thread to try and explore the possibilities of it all...
I am off to see His emminance The High Lama Chigya Rinpoche( think thats how to spell it??) on Tuesday night... Maybe he may have a few insightful ideas on it all.
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Post by blank on Sept 17, 2006 17:15:52 GMT -5
Steve Irwin died doing what he loved, although i always thought a croc or snake would get him, Peter Brook died doing what he loved driving his car.... tis a shame they died, but I don't think you can die before your time, and it's more just unexpected.
I wanna die doing somthing I love rather then withering away in a hospitol bed
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Post by Dancing Bear on Sept 18, 2006 3:55:26 GMT -5
Yes me too blank. but i luv doing so much i am having a hard time picking what it is i would like to be doing when i go.. LOL!!
Yeh we all thought Steve would go from a croc or snake.. And Peter went doing what he loved also... No I dont think they went before their time, I think they did what they needed to do and it was their time. Its just the part when thousands all go at once or over the span of weeks and months through War... It is just mind blowing sometimes that all of them souls all at once were meant to go!! Its just hard to wrap this mind around .......even though i do lean towards it was time for them..
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Post by bezjak on Sept 19, 2006 12:01:58 GMT -5
It is the groupings of arrivials and departures, that show you that "we" are bound to each other.......the births and deaths of all "life". Great and small. This is what "we" are, yet "we" are much more.
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Post by osiris on Sept 19, 2006 14:33:45 GMT -5
Death comes to all of us. One thing about death is you can always trust him because he never lies.
I think that you can live a normal life that includes getting up going to work blah blah blah...Boreing. Or you can choose to be more extreme. Spend time in the military, sky dive, scuba, rock climbing, raceing.
My feelings are that we have no predetermined time of death. There is no logic behind it at all. If you choose to be boreing than yes you may live to be 100 years old. But what tales will you tell your grandchildren? Life is as long as you want it to be but when its an extreme life accidents do happen. Choosing to smoke and alcohol and chemical dependancies all are a factor in how long you will live. And ALL of us know the consequences of our actions.
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Post by mandala on Oct 11, 2006 19:39:26 GMT -5
what osiris said. I don't believe in fate.
Also, sometimes death occurs because of shit-ass luck. I lost a good friend to cancer recently. I can't imagine god saying, "OK, you did what you needed to do, so it's time." She had plans to do things still when she retired (she was 59). Everyone she knew was touched by her in a positive way. She was non-judgemental, consciencious, very spiritual, and lived simply. She was also a great mother to two daughters.
About the time of her death, a school teacher at the highschool where I work, was on his way home from a tennis match. It was raining hard and the driver of the car going the other way skidded. He was killed instantly.
He was a great teacher and loved by all his students. I don't see how god would say , "Ok, enough of that love and respect and education, I got other plans for you."
The only fate we all share is death is inevitable. Sometimes the thougth wakes me up in a cold sweat at night. I think the biggest question, for me at least, is What happens after death? Is there an afterlife?
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Post by crazycat on Oct 12, 2006 1:04:56 GMT -5
I don't believe for a minute that it was God's will for their life to be cut short, not their will either....hehe....I blame it on those "d#*^" "f#%&*^$" inorganics screwing with our life when in need of a feeding. Ignorance = death.
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