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Post by serloco on Mar 7, 2007 18:14:11 GMT -5
see what i am saying, is that we need not spread harmful images to one another, and need not to percieve harmful and fearful roads to follow, and we may guide ourselves, we may guide our experience, and others, and in our light and faith allow others to see as well. we need not project our energies in chaotic, or destructive ways. we may do this for oneanother, and for our 'children' who are growing. we may lead our children to peace, without fear, and we may weep in our love, and embrace our true love! our unconditional love. we may protect our fellow man, and our children with the power of our will and perception. a shaman is drawn to his path, through his sense of community, and his sense of helping his community move to hieghtened awareness. i know this is pointless, and yet this is my path that i am devoted to. it is so i may resolve this position of awareness, as i already see it resovled. all positions exist, and will continue to exist, and we may choose our position. and so that said, noone needs to leave anywhere, and noone needs to feel shame, noone needs. i must leave this position for all to leave, and this is true for everyone.
i love you all, so very much, and the lessons i have learned from you all, are beyond gratitude i may project at this time. love, peace and awareness, openess, and trust in oneself to shine love and freedom.
LOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 kisses, hugs, waaarmest embraces for all 'mankind'. we will all stand together again!
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Post by crazycat on Mar 7, 2007 18:40:07 GMT -5
My original post to this thread was in reply to what "beastly" posted. Serloco replied to my post as though I was replying to what he had originally posted, which I did not. I took it Dancing Bear that your reply was to what I had posted. MY bad! I assumed in the same way as serloco. Sorry! Dancing Bear, you did assumed somethings as well. My whole post was not directed at you alone and parts not at you at all. I did not accused you of stating that christians were not spiritual for one thing. Anyone who uses the phrase that christians are sheeple, are in reality calling them mindless fools who cannot think for themselves. That phrase has been use more than once on this forum, by who I don't remember, nor do I wish too. That statement is very offensive to me and is used out of context from a parable that it is derived from. It is a phrase created solely for the purpose of insulting people of the christian faith. Pure and simple. Dancing Bear, on those quotes that Sxy posted from the bible, I can understand why you took them wrong. That is the reason I seldom ever take a verse from the bible and post it, for taking out from where it is meant to be read, always seems to cause misunderstandings about it. If you notice, most of those verses were taken from the old testament. If you know anything about the history of the Hebrew and Israelite people, they had people who were taught from childhood to be priest/rabbis/prophets. Spiritual matters where left to these, set aside people only, to deal with. This was more ar less their job, to be mediator, the go between the common people and the spirit realm. The common people in return supply them with a place to live and food and whatever provisions they needed. That was their way of life back then. Some were called by spirit to do the spiritual work and they put their all into that profession. Conjurer or enchanter in those days were people who were into black magic and witchcraft. They got their powers through evil spirits whether than spending their time learning the craft the right way. In other word they were not spirit appointed, but self appointed. It would be similar to someone now-a-days reading from a couple medical books and then proceed to set up a practice as a medical doctor without having the full complete knowledge to be in that profession. Those versus are advising the people not to go to these self appointed quake spiritual leaders or set yourself up as one. After many years past by all the tribes of Israel where disperse throughout the whole world and the only tribe left was the tribe of Judah, which became the Jews. The Jews themselves where taken captive for many hundreds of years. Their true spiritual knowledge became corrupted and false as all the rest. There were many, many in the land at that time who were possessed by evil spirits. That was the scene Jesus was born into. Total choas reign throughout the land in those days. Jesus was a gift from the Creator God to lead people back to true spirituality. He was against the religious leaders of that day. He called them vipers and hypocrites, the blind leading the blind. When Jesus gave up his life on the cross, he became the spiritual mediator to all men, there was no longer a need to have a go-between to Creator God for the veil that separated, through Jesus's work and sacrifice, was removed. Not only did Jesus bound Satan and all evil spirits from being able to possess people, (bound here means he took away their power) but he cause the veil between God and men to be ripped from top to bottom, so that all could commune/communicate personally (one on one) with Creator God without fear. The following verses to me represent some of the most important to know. Matt. 50 -54: 50:And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up the his spirit. 51:At that moment the curtian in the temple (that is the curtian in the physical temple in Jerusalem as well as the veil in the spiritual temple within the human body) was torn in two from the top to the bottom. (The curtian was torn at that time as a sign to the Jews that prophesy had been fullfilled. The curtian/veil was the inner curtian that separated the Holy Place from the Most Holy Place. The tearing of the curtian signified Christ's making it possible for believers to go directly into God's presence.) 52: The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53:They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus' resurrection, they went into the holy city (Jerusalem) and appeared to many people. 54: When the centurion and those with him were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, "Surely he was the Son of God!" The phrase Son of God means; a God appointed spiritual messenger. If any of you should care to learn more about this, Hebrew chapter 9 and 10, explains it more in depth. My question is: Why seek a dead person's spirit for your spiritual guidance, would they know any more than you? Why go to any spirit out side yourself, when you have the means to communicate with the Creator God from within yourself, one to one? You don't need gemstones or potions or a set of cards or a spirit guide to commucicate with Spirit. All you need is to open the mouth the Creator God gave you and ask and then open the ears Creator God gave you and listen to what he has to say. You don't have to remember all those little rituals for protection either. Just ask, plain and simple. SXY ...... hehe! Well...hehe.. I did hint that I didn't know for sure. There was someone on WB forum that was Roman Catholic though. I couldn't remember if it was you or someone else. Canstantine was the person who created that religion and as far as I'm concerned has nothing to do with true christianity, although I do believe there are many Catholics who are true christians. For one thing they re-instated a mediator, which of course goes opposite of what Jesus taught/what Jesus did away with. ;D I realize the bible is a large book and hard to understand, esp. with all the hype and propaganda that is put out there about it, which is mostly all false! IMHO Hmmm... on second thought, maybe gemstones, potions and tarot cards are easier tools to work with than this big old book called the bible. I spent a good 20 years studying it on a daily basis and still don't understand it all! ;D ;D ;D I need a hug!
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Post by crazycat on Mar 7, 2007 19:11:30 GMT -5
Sorry Serloco, you may think you connected with me last night, but I think not. From the just the above part of your post you put words in my mouth that I did not speak. Your projected image of me may have said such , but the real me did not.
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Post by sxy on Mar 7, 2007 19:27:25 GMT -5
Ok CrazyCat ! Huggies ;D you like cake too...? Thankyou , for adding clarity,... he he ... Our creator loves us ..! ~ S.X.Y.~
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Post by crazycat on Mar 8, 2007 0:00:17 GMT -5
Thank you Sxy for the huggies and cake on top of that. yummm! I thought I was done with, this but I can't keep my mouth shut. SERLOCO .... listen I did notmake any judgments about what you had to say nor was I offended. Some of what you said to me, I have not idea what you are even talking about to be honest. It was Lady_Butterfly who was offended by you first post. I AM NOT Lady_Butterfly! Are you Beastly? . Beastly was the one I posted my post to. As of yet I am yet to hear from him. On your second post serloco, you directed that toward me. I was too tired to make another post that night so I just gave you a hug even though there where some things about your post I did not aggree with, but I was not offended , that is your beliefs and has nothing to do with me. It is hard at time for me to understand what you are saying with all those partial senstences. Mostly all I saw was i, i, i, i, i, telling about all your great abilities. I don't know if there is some meaning in why you identify yourself in the lower case or if it's just because you do not like to hit the key to make it a higher case I. ;D On my third post, since you directed your second post to me, I replied back and let you know what parts I did have some different thoughts on and let you know the part that I did agree with you. Then Dancing Bears made a post which I took as directed towards me since she quoted in the begininng something I had said. Which she made to sound like a joke, but really didn't seem like one because of what she said afterwards. I know DB has issues with the Christian faith, but then she says later, she posted what she said only to get the thread back to what it originally was about. And that is all good! And I proceed to give her an over all history of how the christian way was turned into a corrupt religion, like all the rest. ;D AS if she needed that! Now serloco, on this post to me, it really has the feel that you are attacking me as some evil spirit projecting dangerous and condemning energies too you in some dream state. Now I post that a long time before I went into a dream state so you didn't get that from any dreaming energies from my part. It takes two to connect and I can say for a fact that I did not connect to you in a dream. You may have connected to what I had already written here. Only the first few sentences were directed to you, asking you to clarify rather you are beastly or not. I really don't see how my asking that question of you was dangerous or condenming, even if you are beastly. Now if you are saying my whole life is a dream state, because of my beliefs then that is judgemental on your part. If this was directed at me or you got this from your dream image of me, I can assure you it was not me casting you to dark places of the mind, like hell, or evil spirits. I do not have the power to do such a thing nor believe such a thing is possible and besides that it is not a christian belief. If you felt judged and condenm, it came from within yourself. A true christian would never project thoughts for a person to die in pain. A true christian is taught to project love and peace and even to turn the other cheek in a fight or to give another the coat off his back to one who is in dispute over something owed. If some person who called themself a christian spoke such unkind words to you, that doesn't make it a christian belief. The bible itself states that you can tell a true christian by the fruit they produce, if a person produces bad fruit then they are false and are not to be believed. None of your words have affended me unless you are indeed beastly. Although, it does offends me slightly that you would create an evil dream image of me and delcare that image as the real me. All I get from that is your judging me falsely. YOU DO NOT KNOW ME AT ALL TO MAKE SUCH A JUDGEMENT. If you did you would know that nothing you can say would frighten or lessen my faith. My faith is not in my own power and will, but in the love of the one who created me. If your precieved "christian view" is damaging to you, just maybe you have the wrong christian view precieved. No! You felt that from the false image of me that you created. That came from your own condenming mind, it did not come from me. Our minds did not connect. Some evil spirit may have hoodwinked you. I can assure you, that your image of me was not me.I do agree with you here: That is a christian belief. I can look the verse up for you if you would like. That is not a christian belief. The 'Kingdom of God' is for all who choose to enter in. The scarifice was made for ALL! It is up to the individual to chose to except or not. The Creator still does not go against one's free will no matter what. A christian is taught to share, not force their beliefs upon another. There is no one more 'special' than another. I agree with that. I pray that you don't for I precieve it as your vain imagination, which can be very dangerous if one believes it as reality. ;D Here's a hug and an piece of cake for you. Have happy thoughts. Eat be merry.
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Post by beastly on Mar 8, 2007 0:58:39 GMT -5
i was just playing with my words, and i am sorry Crazycat, and SXY and everyone truth is we say the same things, and so i am glad and releived the spirit and perfection of these times are truly amazing for me to see words have energetic form, obviously, they create energy, realisations, beleifs, and many things become active, or inactive i find it so magical i view the prophecy as the same, however i use different words - that many things in our world will become inactive, and are becoming so always when these realisations become inactive it is a shift, or movement of the assemblage point you could say it is a movement of time and yes these positions are always available for everyone to achieve, at their own pace it is beautiful like that it my own fault in taking an offensive stance towards realisations it is silliest of all sillies love you all, peace love and awareness
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Post by beastly on Mar 8, 2007 1:21:19 GMT -5
and Crazycat! LadyButterfly!! and SXY! and EVERYONE!!! thank you my love for you all, i wouldn't paint a poor picture of you, or your energy and i am sorry i know you are not that energetic being at all, and i could not post properly my words at that time as i was severely ratteled, and my spirit tempered i was great however to lay these energies for rest these words are the words that carry realisations, and make them active, or inactive for other people and so my will was again tested in confronting the energies in this way and i mean not to say harshly, as we are responsible for how we percieve what we percieve i confronted the percieved 'negative christian energetic spirit' of 'negative entities that wish to enter into people' and energies such as 'having a condemning mind' whew, it was scary!! lololol however they hold no power once they do not and that was looong ago for me they become inactive for ourselves and we may rejoice and for that i thank you for the connection and test of my true faith in my will and experience and for that i weep Spirit is ALL Perfection thank you and love
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Post by beastly on Mar 8, 2007 13:16:25 GMT -5
i like what has been mentioned to me, a quote by Albert Einstien the most 'important' decision one must make is that if we live in a hostile universe. i know the answer for myself..... it is why DJM says that the spirit of man has been hostile to the world, in its energetic perceptions and so the the task of a warrior is to no longer allow the world to be hostile for a warrior this comes from respect and love for the Spirit of all things the alignment to its energy, the connection that is allowed to take place a warrior has no business associating with the dream of man or 'harmful' perceptions of right and wrong and so a warrior is never attached to the beleifs or worries of his fellow man he is only attached to infinity
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Post by crazycat on Mar 8, 2007 22:38:03 GMT -5
all is cool somnium, serloco, animal, derek.
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Post by beastly on Mar 8, 2007 23:52:25 GMT -5
all is cool somnium, serloco, animal, derek. and some yummy cake..!
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Post by crazycat on Mar 9, 2007 5:39:09 GMT -5
So I was right. You can have some cake too, beastly and even a hug. All the rest of Derek's personalities, as well. We love them all, even the not so nice ones. They are all you Derek. Make sure you keep a close reign on all those little naughty spirits, ya'll hear! Sweet dreams to all of you. ;D Eat, drink and be merry.
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Post by incubus on Mar 9, 2007 16:17:48 GMT -5
I will explain my state of perception one last time, in hopes of mutual understanding and peace between dreams.
Seeing, for myself, dispells illusion. I see that everything we can possibly think of, or imagine, or have heard about, or not, exists within us, and can become aligned to perception. This means many many 'opposite', or paradoxing ideas also exist. The point of seeing, for myself, is to make connection to freewill. So, what i mean is, as i look at someone, something, or anything, i can see my idea about it, or mu perception of it, and i can watch this form, 'then' i may choose to switch my perception through the use of seeing, which is seeing freewill, to change my perception, removing the power in the old perception, and allowing a new perception to surface. Knowing this is great, it means i can let go of old ideas, and not give them power over my own perception. I can choose to see all things as beautiful and loving, even if before i had percieved the same as 'negative'. And so in conclusion to this post, for myself everything both exists and does not exist, inside of us, and we may choose for ourselves where we place our power.
love!!
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Post by incubus on Mar 9, 2007 16:25:05 GMT -5
hehehe, another point to make, errr, to clarify.
When i walk in the street, and begin seeing, i may see someone limping, and then i may stop my mind on my will's perception, to see them walking 'straight', or i may connect the limper to a straight walker. And then i may see that someone else has noticed this, and so they have also seen. And so at this point we may then choose to look around and see other things change and be in motion, and they have either seen, or not, the occurance of our freewill and choice of perception. This is not even something i plan, it is just something that occurs. For me, it is being aware of multidimensional reality, and that every possibility exists at any moment, in our own perception. It is simply up to us what we choose... or not!
How i see it, is that a seer may choose to cast old ideas 'into the fire' (which is not negative, it is beautifully free!, and show others how to as well... if they know not already.. which is silly, see. because if we want others to know, we can also make a 'grand shift of awareness', or perception, to enter into a dream where everyone knows these things (whatever it is you know at that time), and this world exists as every one does, right here, right now, in dimensional reality, all 'illusion/real' to me. but they do not have to know either, it is a choice. and is beautiful, and is also to me another illusion. freedom is my goal, and progessing awareness, so that I will not be attached to any dream, "good or bad", and continue growth and movement, learning. There are endless world to discover, yet i seek true freedom only.
it is all, I can do
these experiences, as all that i have had, are neither good nor bad, they are developing awareness, and my last dreaming experience I chose to connect and enhance my love and awareness, and solidify the illusion of protection, by seeing the illusion of 'negative' ideas, turned into 'positive' ideas, therefor dispelled as illusion to me, through my awareness and perception.
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Post by incubus on Mar 9, 2007 17:20:31 GMT -5
in my perception 'casting a stone' is something different i prefer 'to cast water' or 'fluidity', as opposed to 'solidity' Freedom as opposed to 'attachment'
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Post by incubus on Mar 9, 2007 18:55:32 GMT -5
I must share the realisation that everyone here has helped me to achieve it brought such peace and love and tranquility into me that i just have to share!!
it is pretty crappy to be in offensive stances, or defensive stances towards what we believe and hold as true for us
my truth is merely a truth, and is not THE truth and all truths are true or can be made true if one so wants every truth that everyone encounters is for them and their path and is right for them at that time there are no wrong truths or right truths there is simply truths of every nature if i do not agree with a truth of another, that is completely fine, as it is simply not for me my truth is for me as yours is for you and that is beautiful my friends i cannot say that you are anyway at all, or where you will end up in your travels all things are always changing and growing and moving around our truths always grow and change, until we either find what it is we want to live or continue searching for more truth and this is simply what is true for me and possibly not for you, i cannot say
i can no longer say my truth is the truth for you as that would be condemning in perceptions and i will never again do this i love people so much, and i adore animals and plants so much and all the beauty there is to see i know this is a beautiful world where noone is held to any truth and others truth may not hold another unless they so choose to make it truth for them BEAUTIFUL!!
thank you to everyone who posted in this thread and for every word spoken and every thought too and everyone who has read it
i no longer call myself a warrior, or a sorcerer, a magician, or a holy man, or buddha, a man ir anything i am simply what i am at this very moment! hooray!!
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Post by mary on Mar 9, 2007 19:45:36 GMT -5
Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine, as children do. We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It's not just in some of us; it's in everyone. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others.
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Post by sxy on Mar 10, 2007 1:27:36 GMT -5
Marianne Williamson A Return To Love: Reflections on the Principles of A Course in Miracles
silver moon , I am reading this book ,now half way...
I'm reading it slow as a sort of "meditative" ~ before sleep thoughts.
Thankyou ,...your words resonate... "shine everyone"
~ S.X.Y.~
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Post by mary on Mar 10, 2007 1:40:07 GMT -5
Yes! Thank you.. SXY!! Another good one I have found, if you are interested, is 'the Voice of Knowledge' by Miguel Ruiz and Janet Mills. I found it to be an excellent book on love, and awareness, and eradicating the 'voice of knowledge', that can tend to feed us lies about ourselves, and our love. The book IS strong about speaking on love, God, Jesus, and many other ways to return to paradise without knowledge.
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Post by sxy on Mar 10, 2007 1:47:23 GMT -5
Yes .. interesting,
I will be going to the book store soon and will give them a look-see.
'the Voice of Knowledge' by Miguel Ruiz and Janet Mills
Thank you .
~ S.X.Y.~
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Post by crazycat on Mar 10, 2007 7:41:44 GMT -5
I wrote the following post yesterday early, but never posted it. I had a hard time deciding to or not. I am not a christian in that I am a member of any christian religious organization even though at one point I was, but I was there only because I was spirit lead to be there to teach children of God's love. To teach them that the man Jesus was both man and God. He wasn't just a teacher of God's word, he became God's Word. He was not just a teacher of God's love, He became God's Love. He wasn't just a teacher of peace. He became Peace. He wasn't just a teacher of light. He became the Light. He wasn't just a teacher of oneness. He beacme One. I believe the Bible is the Book of Life. When it is spiritually discerned, it is filled with the bread of life, the living water, the wine. On the other hand, it can be memorized word for word from the begining to end and one can still be in need, sick and alone. It is only as the Word takes root in consciouness can it come forth as flesh, as demonstration. The written or spoken word is not the most impotant part. The part that is not written or spoken is the real teaching. It is the part the bible calls the pearl of great price. The unfoldment, revelation, presence of God into your consciousness. The new age stuff like "The Secret movie" uses the same principles, but it is more targeted on gaining material matter. I know about the christian religion more so than others because I was involved with it for a loner amount of time, but I have looked into other religions and to tell you the truth, I really don't see a lot of difference, just words phrased in slightly different manor. I think this is so because all people everywhere has the word of God written within. One doesn't need a written book at all if they are able to go within and connect to the source directly. Even with the written word, one still needs to go within and meditate upon the words for them to take root in the consciousness. The written and spoken word could actually be looked at as tools to keep the mind focused up on. The written word doesn't become living water until the Holy Spirit within connects. That is the only way I know how to explain it. Everyone has to come to awareness their own way in their on time when Spirit moves. It is not by one's own human power, but only when the God source within moves/quickens. What religious group one belongs is irrelevant. Just like people one is not better or less than another. I see religions as a set of rules to help in keeping order amonst a group of people. It is not religions themselves that is behind war, it the people behind the religions who thinks their's is the better way. It is so silly and stupid to fight over, place themselves above or to put down the ways another phrases their words and write their rules. I like Marianne Williamson and have read her on the net and have a tape of hers. She is a Jew who is a follower of Christ. Her beliefs about Jesus is fairly close to what I believe. The following webpage is an article telling what she believes about Jesus. www.beliefnet.com/story/120/story_12052_1.htmlActually her teachings remind me of the teachings of Joel S. Goldsmith who wrote many books back in the 50's. 60's, 70's. I have several of his books: Living the Infinite Way, The Mystical I, The Thunder of Silence and several others. I read him long before ever reading the bible and he greatly influnced me. Lovebeautytruth CC
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