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Post by sxy on Mar 3, 2007 3:35:36 GMT -5
NEW ABILITIES I thought that this reply was more suited to this part of the forum .. Philosophy and The Stars, Religous In REPLY to :New advancement in abilities.. lilacsky.proboards39.com/index.cgi?board=it&action=display&thread=1171578722&page=1 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` Dancing Bear ; I am concerned..! I share in your excitement and know that I am grateful that you are sharing your journey with us ... All this seems exciting ,.. I can feel your passion and interest in this . I guess,...Working as a medium, it's sort of an exotic mysterious thing to do ...! I know that you are aware aren't you ...? " that this can put you at risk to "EVIL~Possessions",...Any Medium will tell you that this is true ..! I can vouch for lots of rest in every area in life ,one exception,... Trying to get to sleep..! ;D OK..! On a serious note ; Spirits are real..! I confirm, I have had numerous visits from them ,.. but I don't encourage this communication with them. I am wondering what your guess is ,...? I favor discussing them with you and explaining why I am afraid for you . I confirm I have been subjected to spirits and they are very crafty buggggers.... When unbiblical revelations began coming from Edgar Cayce’s unconscious trance sessions, the famous medium openly wondered if "the devil might be tempting me to do his work by operating through me when I was conceited enough to think God had given me special power" and "if ever the devil was going to play a trick on me, this would be it" (Thomas Sugrue, Stranger in the Earth, 1971, p. 210). The irony is that the very theory that is most probably true, that Satan and demons do exist, is the one most rarely considered by those involved in these very practices. Religious teachings of the spirits are exactly what one might expect from demons. ~~~ To the claim in the Bible..!:~~~ That we are warned not to deal with Spirits or Mediums ...? Spirits the Bible calls familiar spirits,Familiar spirits are evil spirits who are familiar with the deceased. They easily imitate the dead. A book ; "Out from Darkness" is available from College Press Box 1132 Joplin MO 64802 Ben Alexander, who is now a Christian, used to be a spiritualist , medium. At one time, he thought he was receiving messages from the dead. He now knows the messages were from evil spirits the Bible calls familiar spirits. Raphael Gasson, a believer of Jesus, also was a medium long ago. His book, "The Challenging Counterfeit" .. ..asks the question, "Can we communicate with the dead?" ((( According to the Bible We can only communicate with evil spirits who are familiar with and imitate the dead. )))His book was published by Logos International. A real story about a lady who became involved in the occult tormented by Evil spirits ,they created disturbances in her house, and made appearances to some individuals. The spirits tried to get her to kill herself. Dorthy practiced astral projection, telekinesis, automatic writing, etc. In time an evil spirit was involved.... She received help when she cried to God for help. Finally she called upon Jesus to save her. You can read her short story "Dorothy Story" # 1427, in a small booklet you can obtain from "Unshackled," or Pacific Garden Mission 646 South State Street Chicago Il 60605. www.unshackled.org/ The Teachings of the Spirits by Dr. John Ankerberg, Dr. John Weldon Here are some scriptures on the occult:Ephesians 6:12= As Christians our fight is not against humans but against powerful spiritual beings of evil. 2nd Corinthians 11:14-15= Satan and his angels can appear as angels of righteousness and light. Matthew 7:21-23= Many who work miracles in God's name will not enter heaven. Why? Because they do not obey God. Leviticus 20:6= God will separate himself from those who go after mediums and familiar spirits. Leviticus 19:31= Stay away from mediums and familiar spirits. Deuteronomy 18:10-12= practicing witchcraft, sorcerery, soothsaying (fortune-telling), interpreting omens, making spells, being a medium or spiritist, are all terrible sins to God. Leviticus 20:27= In the (OT) Old Testament, mediums or those with familiar spirits were to be stoned. (Their called familiar spirits because these evil spirits are familiar with the dead. Thus they can imitate the dead.) 1st Samuel 28:3-25= King Saul asked the medium at En Dor to bring up the prophet Samuel who was dead. 1st Chronicles 10:13= One reason King Saul died was because he asked a medium for help. Isaiah 8:19= Seek God not mediums, wizards or the dead. Isaiah 47:13-14= Astrologers and stargazers won't be able to save Babylon. Daniel 2:27-28= God kept King Nebuchadnezzar's dream and its interpretation secret from the astrologers, magicians or dream interpreters, and soothsayers. However, he revealed it to his prophet Daniel. Acts 16:16-18= A girl was possessed by an evil spirit that enabled her to be a fortune-teller. Paul commanded the evil spirit to come out of her in the name or authority of Jesus. The evil fortune telling spirit left her. Deuteronomy 4:19= Be careful that you don't worship the sun, moon, and stars. Deuteronomy 17:2-5= In the OT those who worshiped the sun, moon, or stars were to be stoned. Revelation 22:14-155= Sorcerers (strongs pharmakeia #5331) will not have access to the tree of life. Pharmakeia involves the use of drugs in making evil spells. Revelation 21:8= Sorcerers (pharmakeia), etc., will end up in the lake of fire. 1st Samuel 15:23= Witchcraft is a sin like rebellion. 2nd Chronicles 33:6= King Manasseh angered God by practicing witchcraft, sorcery, using mediums, etc. Exodus 22:18= In the OT a sorceress was to be executed. Do the spirits endorse the occult when God forbids it (Deuteronomy 18:9-12)? Do these spirits deny there is a devil when Jesus taught that Satan was a real, personal being (Matthew 4:1-10)? I won't go on with this ,just to say that I caution you with utmost love you your spirit ,that you are not deceived by them and that you are ~protected ~ I Will QUOTE ; ~ CRAZycAT ~^..^~Love, Light & Beauty Sleep , ~ S.X.Y.~
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Post by sxy on Mar 3, 2007 3:47:13 GMT -5
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Dancing Bear ..!
.. I can accept and agree , in as much as the same renewed trust ,strength and awareness that you are offering our ancestor's religious knowledge and those that claimed they were spoken to in the spirit, ,be it by man In a physical body or by God... !
I am sure you understand ...it is compassion for them as much as for you , not a judgment of you or your study .
which is in fact ,;> ( be it by man..! )Our mother earth,her animals ,what our planet is saying ...
As we look across the river at each other and traverse this bridge to understanding ,you can know in my love that your protection is my concern .
I am not saying that all cautionary should be accepted with open arms ,or that they offer any immediate danger to myself or anyone ...! However, we shouldn't turn our backs to warnings, the human race can evolve and is ,by great people just like you
I was hesitant to bring it up and I wrestled with guilt and embarrassment of not warning you and everyone about what is written in the Bible. I feel that it was important. Not to be taken the wrong way ...and I was maybe put to a greater task than I am able...?
I know it is not what anyone wants to hear or read, in this case ,I'm just a poor Christian ..lol....it was my duty as a friend and fellow soul, to caution everyone . Protection is important and dealing in this is unwise for just anyone .
You do make valid arguments about the Bible's teachings and some do stand to scrutiny,...lol.... The wool is not pulled over my eyes too ....
I disagree that what other Mediums had to say is not relevant , not that they are all in the same package as you point out ,... but they are the closest you will get to people in our time that have gone down that road.
Much of my concern for anyone in the spirit field, is that of evil forces and possession. Maybe you could share your views on this ,as you do mention "ordinary common spirit energy folk"," good from Bad Spirit Energy".
What you do to help people should be gratefully congratulated ,You do have a gift ,and a compassionate heart, and for them I thank you .
I do have faith in you Dancing Bear and thank you for having patience with me , as one In LOVE...
~ S.X.Y.~
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Post by serloco on Mar 5, 2007 18:33:12 GMT -5
hahahaha 'worship me and not god' 'you will only be allowed into heaven through my name' wtf for real? c'mon then i don't want heaven from you dude ' i will return in all my power and glory and basically crush the world in my judgement' nope. jesus was a sorcerer dude, who found his direct connection to Gods will afteall we are all connected to God's will hell, we are created in gods own image Adam, then Eve, and the lineage continues down through the lines, till here so your tellin me that to seek our perfection in the oneness of all creation is evil hahahahaha for real? please elaborabe on your kind and gentle intent? see, the Bible says do not CAST judgement judgement stems from the tree of knowledge, seeking to better ourselves over our brothers and sisters and god we are all created from one image, in one image, of pefect god!? 'let their be light' and so god knew of light already as also he knew of knowledge and what it causes, in self-importance snake said'god doesn't want you to know, he wants to be better and keep secrets' all the work god did before creating this world made him obviously know yet he gave us CHOICE as well jesus also made others in his image as he had found the power to do so what about the Nagual Noah, when he build an inventory of the world and killed everything left 'behind' seriously, why would religions bash other religions and force people to believe they are going to hell? only one reason if you can muster the energy to see it hell, jesus summoned satan and danced with him for a looong time 'worship only me in my name, and you will go to heaven' hmm in the beginning there was one and in the end there is also one as there was always one god doesn't judge himself or others why would he need to when we are created in his image surely when one discovers the perfection of himself built in god's image then one would also see that we all are and noone is more special or better than other if a man is able, and we surely are, to see man and all creation built in this one image then no seperation exists any longer between our will and god's images and only the perfect image of god's perfect world remains betterment, hell, casting stones, lake of fire, man.. sheesh when will we learn!?! hmm, oh yeah, the virgin mary is familiar to me, and is she not spirit too? as also other angels are as well? should we seriously ignore what they say even if they say free our trapped souls, in freeing youself? aren't we all angels? aren't we all, and every single sprit too, built in god's image!!!?
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Post by beastly on Mar 5, 2007 20:24:45 GMT -5
I disagree, listen only to me or you will be crushed down into the lake of fire! If you do not obey what your fellow man says, and reject all change and visions of peaceful oneness, i will make sure that you will you perish is a fire, dying endless painful deaths, for all eternity. Now be good little sheep and listen to me, reject your life's gift of freedom and equality.
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Post by crazycat on Mar 6, 2007 4:57:36 GMT -5
There is more than one way to look at that old, old story. I have read many, many versions and try to keep an open mind, even the one which turns everything around and sees white as black and black as white. Every one believes by what knowledge they have obtained. The way I see it, as long as we are bound in this dualist world WE chose for our selves with that gift of free will, we are not really one but many. The only way I see us as being one is that we are all stuck here in the same condition of knowing good and evil. Which is to say we know the way of duality. Our Creator created us in a perfect garden where only oneness/ provision, complete love, only goodness existed. Along came another created being who had decide in his heart that he was above the one who created him and his pride got the best of him and in the end separated himself from his Creator. He chose a new way...in his pride he thought his way was a better way. His way was the the way of duality, separation and indiviuality. Every being in his kingdom was allowed to use their gift of imagination and create any thing their mind could think up, in other word each being has a the right to create their own reality. ;D Does that sound familar? As a result total chaos and survival of the fittest became the norm. When one reality clashed with another then war was created and even more separation. Mankind even created religions and their own gods to worship as a way of joining up with those of one's of like mind so as to be stronger as a group over other groups who believed in a different way. So even bigger wars and chaos resulted. Back there in the garden of the Creator, we walked in oneness and love, but we chose to know another way, the way of duality. So the Creator God, because of his great love for us had to remove us out of that perfect paradise he had provided us, to keep us from pretaking of the tree of life and living forever in the dualitist hell we created for our selves through all our imaginations. But the Creator's Love was so great that he did not leave us without a way return to his Kingdom of Oneness. He gave to us a KEY. When we get tired and weary enough of the life we have created for ourselves here in this quarantined prison that we created, which by the way, was ruled over by the great duality god Lucifer at least until the the King of Kings the being called Jesus the Christ came down took away his authority/reign. The KEY, the gift of salvation is free to all who so choses to pertake, and enter back into the Kingdom of Oneness and are then free to take of The Tree of Life and live forever on this earthly home which will be transformed to a heavenly paradise where Oneness will rule when the fullness of time is comlpeted. In other words our gift of free will has once agian been reinstated. We are no longer under the rule of the king of duality, we are once again free to choose. We were tricked into believing that evil and good are two sides of the same coin and it takes one to be able to know the other and blah,blah,blah! But it just is not so. For what is darkness really. It is a 'no' thing an illusion created from being separated from the light. For darkness cannot take away light, but light takes away the darkness. Darkness is the absent of light, not the oppsite. Same with evil and good. Same with cold and heat. Ask any scientist, cold is not a thing that can be measured, cold is only the absent of heat/energy. You can not serve the god of duality and the god of Oneness in a balance state. Duality and Oneness are two opposite states of being. You cannot be both. It would be like trying to mix oil and water, it just doesn't work. Choose this day which god you shall serve, the god of duality and live in chaos/strife or the god of oneness and live in harmony/peace. One is the real ("all that is") and the other is an illusion. You are the image of "all that is" or you are the image of the illusion (what is not). You become the image/reflect the one/what you worship/love/serve. That is the way the story goes, if you don't believe the bible version, study the stars. The same story is told there. Study the myths, the same story is there over and over. LOL! Study nature, the same story is told there. If you don't believe all those versions, go within. The same story is told within your own human body. If that is not enough for you, it is also coded within mathematics and even in language itself. You are without excuse. If you refuse to look at any of those and find the truth for yourself, then continue sticking you head in the sand and believing in your illusions. Be happy, drink up, and be merry for tomorrow you die.
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Post by serloco on Mar 6, 2007 6:38:52 GMT -5
hi Crazycat. thank you, and yes i do know, because i see oneness when i see one on the street walking, i may see them, and they may see me we develop connection of oneness, without seperation seperation is an illusion, as is chaos and death, even the stars i am afraid are illusion as is everything in this world thing is Adam was lonely being all alone and i can tell you one IS alone when i first gained oneness with every person in my dream and every animal and sound i soon died and when i died i saw an endless tunnel a tunnel i was already in, though 'tunnel' is not quite right it was more like rings and as i hovered before the 'end', suspended, i decided to jump in i was engulfed with complete understanding again and again emotion and feeling i cannot explain or comprehend i knew it was safe to join the energy through this ring i felt it and knew it was safe that we can come and go
i also go between places that are one and places that are 'seperate' but that is all illusion
one of the greatest things i have ever learned is that people do not truly need help we only need to see that it is ourselves that need to see and once we do we see that the illusion of others needing help is an illusion built from self-importance and seperation it is the illusion that prevents us from seeing oneness once we see that we are all one who needs help? when we know that others do not need help, then they do not they are us
heaven on the earth, hell on earth, its all illusion this world cannot be true freedom, as i see i would never want to walk the earth endlessly no thank you i will go home through the tunnel to the wonderful energy where our soul can rest and from there the choices are.. i dunno free
there is not even point for me to speak any longer and yet i do anyways it is my folly to do so Spirit tells me i/we will go home soon that all souls are free 'Angels' tell me i can grant others the powers that i have developed just by thinking it aloud to them and so i do and they see too this is all controlled-folly and self-importance even 'people' walking on the street come up and say whats on my mind and it is all so silly it is ALL illusion. and all illusion is as real as anything else i can move solid objects with my mind now objects that others see too its all just silly, equally unimportant words dance and play with each other gain pretty color and stuff all equally silly i can project joy to someone and align laughter to my ears i can align sorrow to someone and hear them cry i can align a bird and hear its beautiful call i can look at a flower and watch never before seen lines of beauty materialize in the petals i can sample a little of everything and hold to nothing i need nothing i can remove pain from people i see as 'in pain' this is sad to me, that i must know of pain that i must know of sadness, and hurt, jealousy and greed, etc etc etc i wept to god, saying i don't want to know of these things i do not want to hurt my fellow souls do not allow me too help me see how to be free, so we all will be free i know i can see whatever i want to see in whatever i want to see it in and so maybe you are right maybe i need to look harder and find truth for myself maybe i need to see maybe i need to get my head from out of the sand maybe i maybe i just maybe we will
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Post by crazycat on Mar 6, 2007 6:56:17 GMT -5
It's all good serloco.
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Post by serloco on Mar 6, 2007 8:59:14 GMT -5
It's all good serloco. i guess i didn't realise, that i always need a hug! thank you..
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Post by crazycat on Mar 6, 2007 14:05:15 GMT -5
Thanks Lady_Butterfly. There were some thing serloco, that I didn't agree with and I was too tired to reply so I just gave him a hug for a while. For instance, oneness doesn't mean alone at all, it means being in harmony with all and the All. I don't believe we or the stars and the earth are an illusion, for we and they are apart of the All. I don't believe heaven and hell are an illusion. they both are a state of mind. Most live in both, straggling the fence and some live live most of their life a state of heaven and others live mostly in a state of hell. It will stay that way until the fullness of time is completed, then as it says in Revelation hell and hades will be thrown into the Lake of Fire, whatever that is. I would think it is the Potters fire though, were he will burn away all that is of duality/all that is not pure, the illlusions. I do agree with this statement of serloco's though: I agree with most all of that last part, too, for we all project joy or sadness or the energy/power that is within. We reflect onto all we meet all that is being reflected from within us at any given moment. Maybe that is why when we are depressed and sad we natually withdrawal from others. Usually the sadness causes one to go within and seek the source, but if that fails the source will send a big joy reflecter into their life. ;D It happens almost every time.
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Post by Dancing Bear on Mar 6, 2007 17:03:54 GMT -5
Is this not what an illusion is... a state of mind? ( no offence CC just playing with words)
I dont believe in any of what the bible quotes about connecting to spirit.. it was a way of controlling the masses and an excuse to get rid of the people who excercised free will.. because in those times if you chose your own path and not the bible you were sentenced to death by some horrific means.. who is the more evil?
Oh! if you found a Witch you were able to possess all their land and possessions ...great insentive and easy way for gaining more wealth ...huh!
Also a Clever way at the time to keep the people under control.. no chance of mutiny, or being tossed out of position....just scare the crap out of everyone..
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Post by serloco on Mar 6, 2007 20:45:25 GMT -5
thats ok, i do not take offense, and others will may not move me. when we see the end, and are laid out, we may see that we have created our experience all by our lonesome selves and i see that if i see someone as a lost soul my perception paints them as so if i see them as not nice, mean, aggressive, whatever then they will be so and so we have noone to blame but ourselves i see that inside of every individuak object, person or animal is also the spirit of one difficult to experience unless you can stop your mind and change your perception with your will and so seeing that my judgements paint my experience i may learn to allow things to be and not pass judgement as i connect my will to 'god's will' i see everything is a matter of will including our judgements sister especially you do not see the sky is an illusion and so for you it is not! for me i may rake the sky with my eyes part it open float clouds different ways, stretch them, or move them into moving spirits and do this in front of people even and teach them how i may show others that my judgements shape them so they can see too and so i flex my eyes and watch people stop and turn around and stop and turn around and then walk to me and say something important so we may see i stop my mind on different ideas as i watch people and i watch them become in fact i see things like the sky and people are not even so different all will
when i show someone what i see of will and what i see of prediction of time, as it slows for me, and shows me future and of hooking will into objects etc etc i do not feel special, even though they may wish to thank me it is not me, and it is not them it is Spirit, it is will and perception, and i would not take credit and so next i tell them what i know of this, so they can see too the fact is i do much work in my awareness so i may be aware of this energetic world and how we shape it, it is all i do since i know of these things i may see them and change them i see the energetic lines of the world, and when i focus on them i may focus loudly so others see too and i would not say i am so greater than you that i may do these things we are all created in god's image, and we are all equal, we all can and we all do! if we choose to or not see? so why would i say worship me and only me and so yeah, i cannot agree with the bible, or Jesus as it is self-important and condenming if taken literally truth is the world is illusion for me, much like a computer program projected all around me like the matrix if i envision a lake of fire where we go and be punished then i know there is one, and i know i would only be condenming myself through my self-importance through my ego
my outlook on life, and what is after is disturbing to you? how so? the wonderful energy of total awareness and peaceful rest? the fact that we are responsible for everything in our lives? i suppose it would be if i didnt want to assume responsibility but i do, and i see it is so you would see to, if you would look to see
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Post by existenceisadream on Mar 6, 2007 21:26:18 GMT -5
Importance is an illusion created by self awareness. Emotion causes illusion to what one considers right or wrong. non-humans don't seem to have this "same" kind of self aware importance yet they still have the built in hard drive to do whatever it takes to survive. What exactly are we/they trying to survive from?
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Post by existenceisadream on Mar 6, 2007 21:35:38 GMT -5
Don't know why these lyrics came to me when reading this thread...
In the last second of life, they're gonna show you how How they run this show, sure, run it into the ground The stars are projectors, yeah Projectin' our lives down to this planet Earth The stars are projectors, yeah Projectin' our minds down to this planet Earth Everyone wants a double feature They wanna be their own damn teacher, and how All the stars are projectors, yeah Projectin' our lives down to this planet Earth It's all about moderate climates You gotta be cold and be hot for sure It's all about the moderate climates You wanna be blessed and be cursed for sure All the stars are projectors, yeah
You've got the harder part, You've got the kinder heart And it's true I've got the easy part, I've got the harder heart Aint this true
Right wing, left wing, chicken wing It's built on findin' the easier ways through
God is a woman and the woman is An animal that animals man, and that's you
Was there a need for creation? That was hiden in a math equation And that's this: WHERE DO CIRCLES BEGIN? -Modest Mouse
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Post by existenceisadream on Mar 7, 2007 3:34:54 GMT -5
Hey Lady Butterfly. Sorry to disappoint. I wish I could take credit for those lyrics but it's actually a Modest Mouse song. I don't think you caught the credit I gave them at the end of it. Have you heard of Modest Mouse? I really like their music. Definite rock star status lol. Hmm I don't know of Lodi. Where abouts is that? Seems weird cause if it's near me it seems I'd know of it because I've lived here all my life. I'll have to look it up on google map or something. Ok Looked it up. Ya about 2 hours away south from where I'm at. Is it a smaller city?
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Post by crazycat on Mar 7, 2007 3:50:19 GMT -5
I was not planning on jumping in on this thread and believe it or not I did not jump in because of the judgemental statements made by serloco. It was "beastly" sarcastic remarks that made me decide to add my 2 cents. Now I don't know who this beastly is, but I would not be very surprised if it was not one of serloco many alternate personalities. ;D Then again maybe it is not, but who really cares, but it was those judgemental remarks aimed at the christians of this forum that teak me off. I enjoyed making my post just as much as serloco enjoyed making his. ;D It's all good to let each other know what the other believes, hopefully without making judgements of one another. In my first post I did not quote anything that serloco had to say or say anything about what he had to say. This is what beastly said: Now this is the way I took this post. I either thought that this was serloco making an even more disrepectful and judgmental post toward the christian religion/christians of this forum under disguise or beastly was inpired by serloco's disrepectful and judgemental post and made an even nastier sarcastic one. Beastly did not bother to let us know anything of his belief, but just posted solely to put christianity and those of the christian faith down as mindless ignorant people who cannot think for themselves. That post was offensive to me! Now Dancing Bear, what you had to say was very disappointing to me. I thought you were better read than that. Now most of the bible, esp. the old testament is mostly the history (the story) of the Hebrew, Israel, then Jewish people and their relationship with what they believed was their God and the way they were lead by that God. I personally have my doubts rather the God they worshipped esp. in the end was the one true Creator God, but that is not for me to judge. But that is the way all religions began. At first they all are truly spirit lead, but then as they go along corruptions enters in. Even before the corruption crept in, it was prophesied by those spirit lead that it would take place. Now when the being called Jesus came upon the scene, who was prophesied by those prophets of old, he did not come to create a new religion, but to show the people the way back to being spirit lead, not just the corrupt Jews but all people. Now the Roman Catholic Church was not created until many hundreds of years after Jesus left the scene and it was that political group that took Jesus's teaching and made a religion of it. The church in the beginning was not a religion, but a community of spirit lead people. From what I have read and my understanding of it that this political group was not true christians at all. The Catholic Church declared all people who did not join in their way as pagan, which included many many of the true christains of the day. Most of all those fairy tales and christmas stories and such, that was created back in that era was created by these gone underground christian people. Many of them were burned as witches, along with other types of pagans. I personally believe there is coruption in all the different types of christian religions today as well as all the other types of religions, but there is also many spirit lead people in all of them. I would say that there are just as many people in the wicca or pagan religions who are not really spirit lead as well. All religions, even pagan and wicca are man made. To say the bible or any christian is not spiritual is being just as judgemental as a christian who would declare that all wicca and pagan people as being non-spiritual. There are truths of the spirit in all the religions, plain and simple. Many teachings of all have the same source, if you dig back far enough and examine what is being said. Many teachings are saying the same thing, but only phrased in a slightly different manor. If you all would like for me to leave this forum, I will. I will not stay and be treated disrepectfully or have my friend treated in such a way either. Just say the word and I will delete all my post and go. I have ignored many post made on this forum, that were made for the purpose of downing christians. I was invited here by Lilacsky, who knew I was christian. I took it that she wanted people of all faiths and beliefs systems to be a part of her forum, but maybe I was mistaken about that. BTW, I do believe SXy is of the Roman Catholic christian faith, if I'm not mistaken. I do not know anyone who is not more spirit lead than he is. His concern for Dancing Bear's safety came straight from his big loving heart. Not all spirits of the spiritual realm are good spirits. I'm sure Sxy found that out from his many OBE adventures and not just from what the bible says about that. There are many non bodied spirits that would love to take over your body and soul. That belief is not just from the christian religion alone. Even you pagans believe in your circle of protection and such. What are you protecting yourselves from? From Christians! ;D DB, as far as the statement I made about heaven and hell being real as a state of mind they are real, but of course in truth only heaven is of the real. I just figure in contrast of what I had already stated I would not have to re-state and clarify that, but I guess I should have. Off and on, in this past year or so I have felt an undertow of animousity toward me at times, but I just chalked it up to being a little paranoid on my part. So....which is it? I truely would like to know. I do not want to stay where I am not wanted.
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Post by Dancing Bear on Mar 7, 2007 6:17:36 GMT -5
Now Dancing Bear, what you had to say was very disappointing to me. I thought you were better read than that Well i wasnt going to say anything either, as SXY and I have already been over this in the original thread it came from...We have come to neutral understand and And I have also thanked SXY for his concern, and i do understand considering his beleifs... These original posts Sxy posted above were about me doing Spirit medium work.. and at no stage did i say The Chritians were not spiritual... I was trying to bring the thread back to its original intent, Sxy' as a Christian and his views and concern of my work as a spirit medium... I disagree of the bibles interpretation that all spirit spoken to are in the disguise of a demon hence my comment.. MY Comment ! Sxy's quote from the bible to me This is what i commented on..Nothing more! My Comment was about the witchcraft act.. Witchcraft ActsMy Comment For a person who does not believe that all of the bible is true to Jesus' teachings, because of the known fact of constatines involvement of re writing the bible.. and this is my view Why Constatines involvement of the bible... Nothing more! I know my history on most religions, and i have my views... Walk in my shoes in world full of mostly Christian faith...I have learnt to ignore it,as much as sometimes i wish it wasnt there, it is there, and there will always be difference, and the need for some to keep reminding us... I have never disrespected nor will ever disrespect SXY nor yourself.. I have never intentionally nor will ever... if I have i appologize... But i feel i needed to clarify why i wrote what i did... if you go to the original thread sxy and i where having this debate. you will see I Love the fact sxy was so concerned and cared enough to share his view, and we agreed we could have a healthy debate on this subject and hopefully come to a neutral ground even if we still in the end did not agree with each other.. In this i feel we acheived... Advancement in abilities I did not think this was about attacking the people within the religion just the scriptures written and quoted.. existanceisadream has already reminded me there is also emotions involved with illusion, I concede.. I am upset that you have felt this way, as i have only had respect for you CC... I may not agree with everything everyone says in here, but thats the beauty of a multicultural, multireligious forum thats what it is all about.. being able to voice our opinions in such a manner in the hope not to offend.. I try my hardest to word things properly because i realise words can be awkward and i have no ill intent in any opinion or objection..Because one of my biggest beliefs is we all have the right to BE! DB xx
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Post by sxy on Mar 7, 2007 7:39:27 GMT -5
;D... I guess,...? "I do seem a bit like a Roman Catholic Christian" but I am not ,...! I am Protestant by birth and childhood ..Well raised in the church and its knowledge ,..I am educated in all the Bibles books and well read of many other religions and cult studies. I have for many years considered myself as a Spiritual person , apart from the religious ,dogmatic "Church " . I am aware of the truths that are hidden in the bible .I am also aware of the many spirits that are waiting to possess each any any one of us ,... at the first moment they can. I respect every person on their path , and each religion has it's merit at approaching the need to find God. We are all the same ,but Jesus was not just one of us . It was he that said to go with in ... Christ was not a follower of religion ,but he was a Rabi and taught in Synagogues. Cast out by the people that knew he was a threat to their positions and jobs . CrazyCat ,...it is true that I have first hand knowledge that We are spirit ..! With OBE , ... I also have dead people communicating with me all the time ,.. I have been to "Places", that are in the Astral after life. Ghosts have visited me in person ,in the middle of the day ,loved ones that I knew. All animals are "beings on this planet ", ...and like us,> they too are spirit-able. What's Up with Spiritual awakening ? Atheists can make claim to knowledge ,but in fact I think they are uninformed. People that go to these churches of religions are the same as I was in my early student-hood and the journey has been long....I am not a typical Christian. They are close at my heart . Many of those here do not know what it is they are really believing . Sharing knowledge is not judgemental..! It is a method of understanding and learning . Some of us think we need to target ideas with insults, ...bless you . You are loved just the same ..! Childish behavior however ,does not grant my interest. I respect anyone that has a point and view ,and believes what they understand to be true ..! I do not enjoy the reaction ,yet not bothered when someone has a different point of view . The issue here for me, is the support of everyone here as an important member . I support Dancing Bear in her path ... We have shared ideas and gained better understanding ..but we did not loose the one important element. LOVE !!! I Understand ,some of us find it difficult ! Do you really think that any one of us, "really"...> figured it all out ?I know I haven't.... ~ S.X.Y.~
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Post by sxy on Mar 7, 2007 16:54:44 GMT -5
"we are warned that we should not communicate with Spirits"...
My intension was to inform the obvious ,... I am not saying that all spirits are demons as DanceingBear mentioned , why are we told it is God's LAWS,...? I know it is for our protection ..!
I know that the risk of Demon Possession is a greater risk than I or anyone should be willing to take .
Our Spirits are important to our lives while in this physical body..? We can harm them if we don't know what we are doing ... That is to say , "[ ]", Spirit communication may be your greatest talent ..and you may give hope and pleasure to broken hearts ,even rescue lost souls".
The warning is for everyone ...you have welcomed Spirits to enter you, the door is opened by you ,it is a dark hour and at your weakest moment that you can be possessed by a demon Spirit.
In this same warning ,...it is told that once we claim our abilities as our own and not that of GOD working through us ..we are on our way to opening that door ..!
Yes I am a Christian...! I believe the Bible..! I know that one day , I will be told all that is understood about Spirit ,and for reasons I can not further understand at this time ,... I am willing to trust it is not doing me any harm ..!
We each have FREEWILL and that is what it is all about ..!
Are we going to ,..?
or
Are we not ...?
~ S.X.Y.~
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Post by serloco on Mar 7, 2007 17:04:26 GMT -5
I was not planning on jumping in on this thread and believe it or not I did not jump in because of the judgemental statements made by serloco. It was "beastly" sarcastic remarks that made me decide to add my 2 cents. Now I don't know who this beastly is, but I would not be very surprised if it was not one of serloco many alternate personalities. ;D Then again maybe it is not, but who really cares, but it was those judgemental remarks aimed at the christians of this forum that teak me off. I enjoyed making my post just as much as serloco enjoyed making his. ;D It's all good to let each other know what the other believes, hopefully without making judgements of one another. In my first post I did not quote anything that serloco had to say or say anything about what he had to say. This is what beastly said: Now this is the way I took this post. I either thought that this was serloco making an even more disrepectful and judgmental post toward the christian religion/christians of this forum under disguise or beastly was inpired by serloco's disrepectful and judgemental post and made an even nastier sarcastic one. Beastly did not bother to let us know anything of his belief, but just posted solely to put christianity and those of the christian faith down as mindless ignorant people who cannot think for themselves. That post was offensive to me! Now Dancing Bear, what you had to say was very disappointing to me. I thought you were better read than that. Now most of the bible, esp. the old testament is mostly the history (the story) of the Hebrew, Israel, then Jewish people and their relationship with what they believed was their God and the way they were lead by that God. I personally have my doubts rather the God they worshipped esp. in the end was the one true Creator God, but that is not for me to judge. But that is the way all religions began. At first they all are truly spirit lead, but then as they go along corruptions enters in. Even before the corruption crept in, it was prophesied by those spirit lead that it would take place. Now when the being called Jesus came upon the scene, who was prophesied by those prophets of old, he did not come to create a new religion, but to show the people the way back to being spirit lead, not just the corrupt Jews but all people. Now the Roman Catholic Church was not created until many hundreds of years after Jesus left the scene and it was that political group that took Jesus's teaching and made a religion of it. The church in the beginning was not a religion, but a community of spirit lead people. From what I have read and my understanding of it that this political group was not true christians at all. The Catholic Church declared all people who did not join in their way as pagan, which included many many of the true christains of the day. Most of all those fairy tales and christmas stories and such, that was created back in that era was created by these gone underground christian people. Many of them were burned as witches, along with other types of pagans. I personally believe there is coruption in all the different types of christian religions today as well as all the other types of religions, but there is also many spirit lead people in all of them. I would say that there are just as many people in the wicca or pagan religions who are not really spirit lead as well. All religions, even pagan and wicca are man made. To say the bible or any christian is not spiritual is being just as judgemental as a christian who would declare that all wicca and pagan people as being non-spiritual. There are truths of the spirit in all the religions, plain and simple. Many teachings of all have the same source, if you dig back far enough and examine what is being said. Many teachings are saying the same thing, but only phrased in a slightly different manor. If you all would like for me to leave this forum, I will. I will not stay and be treated disrepectfully or have my friend treated in such a way either. Just say the word and I will delete all my post and go. I have ignored many post made on this forum, that were made for the purpose of downing christians. I was invited here by Lilacsky, who knew I was christian. I took it that she wanted people of all faiths and beliefs systems to be a part of her forum, but maybe I was mistaken about that. BTW, I do believe SXy is of the Roman Catholic christian faith, if I'm not mistaken. I do not know anyone who is not more spirit lead than he is. His concern for Dancing Bear's safety came straight from his big loving heart. Not all spirits of the spiritual realm are good spirits. I'm sure Sxy found that out from his many OBE adventures and not just from what the bible says about that. There are many non bodied spirits that would love to take over your body and soul. That belief is not just from the christian religion alone. Even you pagans believe in your circle of protection and such. What are you protecting yourselves from? From Christians! ;D DB, as far as the statement I made about heaven and hell being real as a state of mind they are real, but of course in truth only heaven is of the real. I just figure in contrast of what I had already stated I would not have to re-state and clarify that, but I guess I should have. Off and on, in this past year or so I have felt an undertow of animousity toward me at times, but I just chalked it up to being a little paranoid on my part. So....which is it? I truely would like to know. I do not want to stay where I am not wanted. Crazycat, I am not at all surprised by these words you have shosen to post. hmm, last night i chose to connect to your dreaming energies, and make a bridge between our minds, our energy, and ofcourse all of what you posted i saw, and felt strongly. these are dangerous and condemning energies projected, towards me, and others. would we have 'heaven' only for ourselves, and people who 'agree' with what we post, or would we have 'heaven' be for every soul united? appartently, the days where some christians would cast people to dark places of the mind, like hell, and evil spirits, are not over. some would still cast these projections to people who do not agree with their religion. some would cast these projections to people in hopes that they die even, in pain. i don't understand this. i am sorry if my words offended your religion, or have frightened your faith? the only reason i did not allow the harmful images created, by what is percieved of 'Christian views' to damage me in any way, is because i do not allow other projections power over my will. i have strong 'faith' in my own experiences that cannot and will not be shaken. and if i see another oppose the messages that i speak of, so be it, i wish you love still, no matter what, and send positive energy. you will not be cast to hell, and i would never be the one to do so, or even imply it. i do not see all the Christians in my own dream as 'corrupt'. this is simply what i see crazycat. many people i see, most often in fact, are not corrupt, and are spirits of pure love. this is what i believe the message of the 'Holy Spirit' truely shows. if my highlighting of the word 'holy spirit' is offensive to you, forgive me, as i see that when i am in a world where individual perceptions vary, we may not be speaking of the same spirit, hence the corruption 'we' may see everywhere ? these corrupted projected images, were actually very frightening for me to experience, and witness. however, i used my will and my strength in love and experience, to cast these 'harmful entities' away from me. My house rumbeled and poped, animals yelled out, my clock stopped, and i was safe in my love. I wept knowing that some souls are trapped in fear, projected into their dream, in the way that continues for them, doing only what they have been taught to do, and so naturally believe and accept. it was important for me to see this, and experience, thank you Crazycat! i know our world is climbing out of such depths, and perceptions. i am also very sorry, that we had to be in a world, for now/then, where we know of these things, and am grateful that we no longer need to be. i am grateful that all souls will be free from pain and hurt and casting these things on 'others'! yes, and no. from ourselves Crazycat, from ourselves. i need to know for myself, that no spirits wish to hurt me or others, and that we all wish to be loved and cared for, and not hurt. this is true of all things. i felt this from 'you', projected onto 'me', from the images of our momentarily shared perception, and i found it to feel aweful at first ! why would we do this to each other? I cast away such projections, through the source of one, and my dream agreed, even when i needed no agreement. i do not return any such projections, never ever in a 'million years'! i return them to a balanced state of love, as all things are. i return these things with knowledge of where 'they/we' were created from. do not believe even for a minutte that we may cast judgements of these types on each other, without being subjected to them ourselves. 'treat your brother and sister how you would like to be treated' has never been more true in the face of perception and will, and mirroring perception. do we really think that the 'kingdom of god' is for a select few special ones? and that we ourselves are 'special', and anyone who opposes us will be cast to hell. this as I see, is the most dangerous and destructive will i have ever seen. i am above noone, and noone is above me, and we will all live in peace, when we so choose to simply be. these positions already exist, and exist always, and they are lovely. and so i will not again connect in these ways, to my fellow man. and i will be solely responsible for what i allow into my perceptions, and be very mindful of just 'who' i choose to perceive association with, with my perceptions. i see that i surround myself, with images of god. and that i may percieve these images in any way. almost as if i stand truthfull in the middle of one line, alive, that runs all around me in ever direction, from the Great Eagle. this one line that squiggles around me, and moves, paints the projected images 'we' have created of this world. and so 'we' may view this world in any way, and it is all one. i may connect to these line's' through the Eagle's will, and see the Eagle's creations how i may choose to see. Since we are all made of this one line, built from this one image, i am sad that i may, at times, view God's images in the ways I have seen them and been 'taught' to see them, through my own acceptance. I have only to work with what I have percieved to be 'left to me' to work with. what i precieve are the images taught to me, to sort out. i love this world, and all people in it, and i do not believe we want to hurt others, or even that we can. these lines, i see, may be seen as emptyness instead, or a void or nothing. it can be seen as pure white also, and from there any images may begin. without the awareness of seeing this void line or empty space, we have not awareness. the awareness is life itself, and the images made ar our perception and will, what we have made from the one source. 'maybe' that is why this view has been called a sorcerer.
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Post by nani on Mar 7, 2007 17:30:29 GMT -5
okay I will have to add my 5 cent too: I love you ALL! I love and I follow and I learn from and I AM and into Daoist, Schaman, Buddhist, Jesus, Advaita Vedanta, Scientist, Artist, Naturist and all what is peaceful and insightful, and all what helps growing&understanding. the unbelievable divine mystery we all are a part of. I like it lots that we have different path and beliefs I think that I am okay - and I think you all are okay. Nani
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