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Post by crazycat on May 27, 2006 10:30:51 GMT -5
ancing Bear, I just found this website last night and haven't finish reading on it, but I thought you may be interestd from what I've read so far. There just may be something to this Da Vinci Code after all. www.thehiddenrecords.com/davinci.htm
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Post by Dancing Bear on May 27, 2006 17:49:30 GMT -5
Thankyou CrazyCat Yes I believe so also Crazy Cat.. It does make quite a bit of sense.. I know not all of it is fact but at the begining of the book it has a page of all the actual facts inserted in the book the rest is speculation and making a good book. I have read halfway through the site you gave, when i have more time i will read the rest. I also watched a program on Histroy Channel last night. It was a constructive comparison between the gnostic religion and christianity. fasinating facts that came up from both sides. It was a foregone conclusion about Mary Magdelene. Especially with the Gnostic religion. Jesus was mortal and portrayed as such even with a wife. (Mary Magdelene) Christianity portrayed Jesus as Immortal so therefore no normal human traits are portrayed. I am becoming quite engrossed with it all as i love a good dig into archives and history of any kind. especially when it is linked to Art also. I do believe Leonardo Da Vinci was secretly Gnostic in Faith, but Saving his Butt from being burned at the Stake he pretended to be Christian.. He is not the only Artist to do this throughout history.. A Most recent Artist " T.H. Benton" Comes to mind also he painted a brilliant collage of life on the streets in NewYork.(City activities with subway) But had to add a preacher praying for the souls of these people, Otherwise he would lose his commision and face in the Art World this was in the 1930's.. he soon became fed up with it all and Went Home to the country depicted in his painting (Going Home)where he spent his last days capturing country life. This is just another Example of having to cover up your true belief just to fit in to society.. Da Vinci Was Gay as they come... a definate sin in the eyes of the church,and also someone who thought outside the box double whammy!! He had to careful what he depicted in his paintings. Another Good read would be the Dead Sea scrolls and the Coptic Scrolls from Nag Hammadi. Thanks again CrazyCat I will definately finish reading this..
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Post by crazycat on May 27, 2006 23:12:56 GMT -5
If anyone is interested Monday night on Coast-to-Coast Noory will have 3 guest on who will be talking about the De Vinca Code. Laurence Gardner graal.co.uk/William Henry site.williamhenry.net/Glenn Kimball www.ancientmanuscripts.com/frameset.htmShould be a really good show. Then Tuesday night he will be having Wayne Herschel on as a guest. www.thehiddenrecords.com/Here is a good radio station that is on the computer, that I listen to. www.kogo.com/pages/streaming.htmlIt comes on at 12:00 my time which is central. Pacific time it would come on at 10:00. You will have to figure out time for your area. If you don't know how I can do it if you give me a major town in your time zone.
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Post by sxy on May 28, 2006 3:00:03 GMT -5
Dancing Bear, as I read the book ,...I knew that Tom was going to be the Star in the film . I found that as I read , I could see Tom as The character in the story and well ...I'ts like I saw the movie already ,...but now I have to see it ... I am not a follower of all the details but , interested in all the gossip so I have to see it to talk about it . ALSO it was a great story after all ,and I love a good movie ! even if it might be fiction... ? ~SXY~
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Post by sxy on May 28, 2006 3:01:08 GMT -5
Thanks for the heads up on those shows CRAZYcAT !!!
Great news !!!
~SXY~
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Post by Lena on May 29, 2006 13:54:21 GMT -5
Watched it last night, and loved it! OK, maybe historically not that accurate, but some great symbology, interesting ideas, and a very good movie. Audrey Tautou is one of my all time favorites. Ron Howard, of course, has great imagination, so I wouldn't be suprised if a lot of it was fiction. They did take quotes from Gnostic Gospels though. When they said that companion, back in the day, meant spouse, I wonder if that's true?
I'm reading "Gnostic Gospels" by Elaine Pagels right now. Fascinating stuff, but what stands out for me is that they are so diverse, that really there is no unified belief system that can be considered gnostic. Also, how much Christianity (churches) underplayed the role of Mary Magdalene, and how much discrimination there is against women.
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Post by mandala on May 29, 2006 17:41:23 GMT -5
I bought the abridged version on CD of The DaVinci Code Saturday and listened to all but the last disc. I'm slow and lazy when it comes to reading novels, so this was a good find at only $14.95.
I went to see the movie last night. The movie was pretty faithful to the book, except some events were out of sequence. Someone mentioned that the suspence wasn't there because they had already read the book. That was my experience.
However, the ending was a treat because I didn't get to the part in the book where the "teacher" was revealed and where the "holy grail" was located (and who the heir was!)
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Post by Dancing Bear on May 30, 2006 6:06:57 GMT -5
I am researching some of the historical fact/fiction in the book, so far it is refering to the gnostic movements of the 2nd century, I am yet to read in the Coptic scrolls I have found a site i can view them. and also the jewish records i need to research and sift the fact from the fiction for me about Mary and sarah. I love a good dig into history so it is right up my alley.. I am hoping the Movie doesnt stray too far from the Book as I would like to see it this weekend. I am nearly finished the book and have thoroughly enjoyed it. I dont think it matters to me whether it be based on fact or fiction, it is a really good read.. Yes Lena the early christian religion was against the female having any stance in the household or community. it was shut up and breed, cook and lay on your back. I do not believe for one minute it is what Jesus taught. I do beleive it served the purpose of Constatine when he compiled the bible. he compiled to suit his own needs, but he also was an astute business man, so if he subtely integrated some of the other beliefs within the bible the more support he had as a ruler. i have found a few books that where not written into the bible as apparently it would not go down too well now in the religious commmunity. They are. The book of Enoch The book of Jubilee Book of Noah Book of Tobit and The Testament of Levi I think the day we have access to these books we will know what it really is all about. Until then we will have the Likes of The Da Vinci Code coming up challenging the records and belief system. I have also sat down today searching for an answer i had about the gnostic Movements. I have read about 13 different movements so far. Last count there are app: 17 recorded. I am more interested in the movements around the 2nd Century, But did find one pop up in the 12th Century in france the Cathars. they had a different view on Jesus again compared to earlier Gnostic movements. I am pretty much knee deep in it all at the moment as my grandmother being a devout Atheist also challenges me with my researching, good brain food DB xx
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Post by Dancing Bear on May 30, 2006 6:08:32 GMT -5
Dancing Bear, as I read the book ,...I knew that Tom was going to be the Star in the film . I found that as I read , I could see Tom as The character in the story and well ...I'ts like I saw the movie already ,...but now I have to see it ... I am not a follower of all the details but , interested in all the gossip so I have to see it to talk about it . ALSO it was a great story after all ,and I love a good movie ! even if it might be fiction... ? ~SXY~ Yes me too Sxy Love Tom Hanks! He is definately in my mind when i am reading. DB xx
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Post by Dancing Bear on May 30, 2006 6:40:36 GMT -5
When they said that companion, back in the day, meant spouse, I wonder if that's true? I have studied to be a Marriage Celebrant and my understanding to Companion is true! Only Royalty and those with Means had Recorded Ceremonies, because of the bloodlines and assets.. It was not needed for a commoner to go through a ritual,And some stages through history forbidden for a commoner to marry.If they did not have assets substantial enough or Royalty, I am not saying they did not have a ceremony and celebrated it just was not recorded nor was it Legal. They are saying Jesus's Union With MAry was recorded because he was of Jewish Bloodline that led to near the top of the Jewish Royal Community.ANd or because he was the Rival Messiah In the days of Mary and Himself because he had this stance in the community, this is maybe why the Gnostic Movement at the time recorded his relations with MAry seeing it important to detail who this Rival was. I am yet to confirm this, It is here say so far from some Theologians and the Da Vinci Code.You will find the evidence so they say in the Coptic Scrolls found in Nag Hammadi. They can be found on the Wikipedia online encyclopedia. I have not been in there yet but will be tomorrow to follow this through. It wasn't until the Medieval England that you will find a recorded marriage between two ordinary folk with no royal bloodline or assets, It is recorded because it was performed by a priest outside of the church. (the earliest Wedding ceremony I have found so far between commoners) . Just through my own research in studying to become a Marriage Celebrant I have come across the term Companion, referring to being a couple. Maybe not necessarily Married but definitely a sexual, Lasting Companionship. Just like our De Facto of today. DB xxx
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Post by crazycat on May 30, 2006 18:34:57 GMT -5
http://ramon_k_jusino.tripod.com/magdalene.html
DB, I don't know if this is something that will help in your research, but I do not find this article hard to believe at all. Even back when I read the bible a lot, it did not make much sense to me why Jesus would love one of the diciples more so than another and to call a "guy" his beloved even sounded stranger to me. This article makes a lot of sense.
Did any of you listen to C2C last night? If not, you missed a really good show. I think I am going to buy Willian Henry's books. He has a special on them right now where you can get the all of his books as e-books or on DVD's for $49/$55. I already have a couple of Laurence Gardner's books and non of Glenn Kimball, but wish I had them and the time to read them all. He has tons of stuff to read on his website. He has really done a lot of reseach.
BTW, all three agree that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene, last night on C2C. Another interesting point, (I believe Willian Herny made) that the word 'sarah' is not a name, but a title meaning princess.
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Post by Dancing Bear on May 31, 2006 4:52:01 GMT -5
Interesting Thanks Crazy cat. I like the interesting point about Sarah. I will try out the site when I have a spare 5 minutes Thankyou so much! By the way I went to see the Movie today! What a fantastic Movie!! In Movie form... you can sift Facts from fiction.. Brialliantly done, great twist and not a bad ending. I am still going to finish reading the book not much to go now.. as the book normally has more detail.. In the Movie I commented about Teabings library it looks my house at times LOL!! Hubby agreed DB xx
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Post by sxy on Jun 1, 2006 3:21:36 GMT -5
Interesting ,.... hummm ,when are they going to make a TV show of it ..?
MAry and Jesus
~SXY~
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Post by Dancing Bear on Jun 1, 2006 17:21:27 GMT -5
LOL!! Sxy I reckon next week, the way its all going. I think what the masses are forgetting here( i am not refering to our members) It is not Jesus and his teachings that is suppose to be under attack... I believe he was a profound,& brilliant man on par with Ghandi, Buddha etc...( some would say better than ) It is the "Way" the Bible was compiled and "How" the Bible was compiled. Jesus himself did not put it together. Constatine and his co-constabulary did!! Which to me is the questionable thing here.. not the fact whether Jesus is worthy or not.. Because as far as I am concerned Jesus is more than worthy.. One day the masses will get it right and not knock the religions itself and the people that follow it, But how religion is used to benefit and fill the means of those in Power, How it is manipulated to serve other than Spiritual ends... It goes for all religions Not just Christianity.. I do belive regardless of our belief system we are all, on the same track "LOVE" ( well i would hope so) And After seeing this Movie I really do believe this is what they are doing.. They are not knocking Jesus himself and his teachings, the conspiracy here is how is was all compiled to benefit those in Power at the time, by only telling the population what they wanted to hear,and Ommiting information that did not suit and submitting information that the establishments needed to control the masses and gain more following also.. It is my perception of it all anyway! Brilliant Movie and Book!! As is the Matrix..Star Wars...Lord of the Rings etc...
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Post by Lena on Jun 1, 2006 17:54:08 GMT -5
Well said, DancingBear! I liked the movie as well, and for me it doesn't matter if they got their facts wrong or right, after all, Jesus spoke in parables. That's why studying gnostic point of view is so fascinating, because they give a different opinion of Jesus, and Christianity. The biggest complaint all the different gnostic movements and gospels seem to have about orthodox Christianity is that they follow the church authority like sheep; they "do not seek after God." From Testimony of Truth: "They say, Even if an angel comes from heaven, and preaches to you beyond what we preach to you, let him be accused!" I have to admit that I've never been interested that much in Christianity, so I might be wrong here, as I haven't studied it enough to be an authority on the subject, but this is still a problem. People say they believe one thing, and then they act differently, because they haven't accepted these principles in their heart, they just follow what is told to them. That's the biggest complaint I hear about Christians is that they are hypocrites. I hope I made myself clear enough.
Much affection to you all,
Lena
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Post by crazycat on Jun 1, 2006 19:10:39 GMT -5
Well, I do agree with you Dancing Bear and Lena on some of what you have said, but I can also see the Christian point of view on this as well. Christianity being the religion at the moment that the media is using as a means of propaganda to control what people believe, I can see clearly the reason why this movie is made the way it is. I would try to explain, but it would end up being very lengthy and most likely would not be read anyways, so I will spare you guys that. ;D Maybe Sxy can explain in a short form. hehehe! Anyways, I will say this. There are many "babes in Christ" in the Christian community who do not live what is preached to them for one reason or another and many of these do appear as hypocrites. But there is also many mature Christians who do not just follow the preacher of what ever church they attend, but actually do study the bible for them self and seek the will of God for there life. These are the ones who have put the childish things aside and have given full control of their will to the Holy Spirit to lead and guide, ones who do not follow a human leader. Even in the Christian religion there are those who are on different levels along the path. It is the media itself I would be concerned with and what propaganda they are using this time around. Pay close attention to how/what the media wants you to think and what to believe about this or that and try to figure the reason why. They way I see it,it really isn't the religions themselves that is the problem, but politics using them as means/a tool for controlling the people. My personal experience with all the Christian churches I attended in the past, I did not feel I was being controlled by the preacher or any one else for that matter, but of course I did run across some hypocrisy among some of the members, but most of them where kind, caring, loving people. MHO.... Sorry it kind of got long after all.
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Post by osiris on Jun 3, 2006 18:30:10 GMT -5
Dont forget since the bible was put together it has gone through many councils and changes. Laodocia is one (spelling i think). In the book holy blood holy grail there is an artist (dont remember who) that has three paintings that supposadly give away a huge secret about a church and the secrets it contained. Becareful of what you study on wikipedia it is not a factual encyclopedia. Its made by the visitors.
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Post by Dancing Bear on Jun 4, 2006 2:15:34 GMT -5
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Post by sxy on Jun 4, 2006 3:23:03 GMT -5
I am not going to give any short reasons .... ;D but You said what was most important for the ears of the people of today,... be fearfull of being misslead . What you see and hear on TV and Radio is controled news for the masses and its mind control...!!! ~SXY~
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Post by crazycat on Jun 4, 2006 12:52:47 GMT -5
Quote: Becareful of what you study on wikipedia it is not a factual encyclopedia. Its made by the visitors. Most of the stuff you read on the net or anywhere, is some person opinion/reality is it not? Even the Nag Hammadi was written by people. All people from the very being either write from their own reality/experience or from inspiration of the spirit within. What you need to keep in mind when you read or watch any movie or TV program is to question the purpose behind the work. Is it there to control your mind or to inspire you to think for yourself? Just because the bible has flaws does not mean that the Nag Hammadi does not as well. Unless you are able to get to the original copy and are able to translate it yourself, you have to just trust that the translators interpreted it right. The way those old books are found with pieces missing, there is no way to know if what was translated is what the original author meant. One word missing can change the whole meaning. What bothers me about those things is that it seems like the parts that aren't really saying anything much is the parts that are there and when it get to where it seems something meaningful is going to be said, that is the part that ends up missing. I am just really suspicious that the mind controllers of the masses have got their greedy paws on that type of thing and is something not to be trusted. Just MHO! At least the bible does tell one not to except other people's interpretation but to read and study it for yourself. To me that is saying to let your own mind/spirit decide what it is saying to you. That is why it is called the living word. What it says to you may not be what it says to someone else. That goes for anything you read, not just the bible. The spirit can speak to you through anything. You really should question anything you read. Anything one reads can mean something totally different from what the next person that comes alone gets from reading the same thing. We interpret everything by our own understanding. Then we speak/write what we understand, that is how all books are written. How everthing on the net is written. We are all influenced/brainwashed one way or the other by anything you read/see, by all that is gone before us. We except the parts that agree with our spirit within and discard the rest as meaningless babble. Even a smile from some one can influence the way your day goes.
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