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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on May 10, 2005 9:10:46 GMT -5
I wanted to start several programs for those that wish to fullfill their personal obe goals, and in order to gain the support and help you will need to get started,and advance at your obe journey's... I will be added simple courses to this for beginers and advanced out of body travelers. for those of you who are advanced I ask that you join the help a member club, in order for us to teach on a more intimate level,that way the the teaching is more one on one...rather than all of us teaching..this can cuase confusion since not all of us do things the same way, and we practise differant techniques. FOR THOSE JOINING THE PROGRAMS, PLEASE SIGN UP IN THIS THREAD! also list, your goals , what you would like to achieve, what techniques you tried already, and any other information that may be helpful to our teachers...and we will assign teachers accordingly to your needs. thanks I appreciate all the help here,and I hope this prgram is a success!
Ronni
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Post by section8 on May 23, 2005 19:17:28 GMT -5
I'll join, sheesh I need all the help I can recieve.
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on May 23, 2005 20:42:29 GMT -5
Section8, okay what is that you need help with, I can assist you if you like..I will email you asap! thanks!
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Faun
Seeker
Life is full of twists... so its a waste of time to worry. Feast... you never know when ul famine...
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Post by Faun on May 24, 2005 9:06:39 GMT -5
er, what programs? where? huh?
lol
The faun
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on May 24, 2005 9:18:18 GMT -5
Faun read at the top of this thread and on Help a member thread too! ;D
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Post by section8 on May 24, 2005 21:06:14 GMT -5
Ok so do we get help through the e-mail...or do I create a thread were I will ask all my questions?
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on May 25, 2005 19:44:33 GMT -5
you will get help through email, I will help ya out section, also you already made a post so thats cool , and you can add your progress there as well okay..also how determined are you to obe??
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blank
Diviner
There is a little bad in the best of us and a little good in the worst of us
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Post by blank on Jun 9, 2005 8:39:32 GMT -5
Sign me up I am yet to learn how to obe properly. My AP goals meet my spritguide/guardian (got a few q's i'd like to ask) travel inside myself and see whats there find an astral school/temple to learn some more stuff random missions (run thru rain forests, swim undersea, stand on the highest mountian I can find, roof jump around NYC that kinda thing)
techniques ive tried beam of light into third eye swinging in a hammock "I astral project" affarmation listening to misc music
near APs when I was about 11ish i'd get the feeling that my bed was tipping either lengthwise of widthwise (rather freaky at the time) sleeping and I was being pulled from my bed thru my head but I knew it wasnt my physical body (before I found out what ap was) laying in bed trying misc techniques then I thought hey what if I try this had a voice talking to me and saw strange symbol started to exit before I interepted it had 3 from dreams but each time I couldnt see
and damn do I want it bad
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Jun 9, 2005 8:47:33 GMT -5
Hi Blank, sounds good, I want to ask ya a few things though, so have you left your body?? and on average how many dreams do you recall a week,day?? how many of your dreams are lucid?? have tried any simple things such as affirmations,the lack of sleep method lol??
also if possible I would like to hear some of your most vivid dreams, if you can recall them.. if you want you can start a journal to began keeping track of them, I teach people to learn their subcosncous first, since that is the gate way to astral, also introspection/mediaton... let me know, thanks for signing up!!
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blank
Diviner
There is a little bad in the best of us and a little good in the worst of us
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Post by blank on Jun 9, 2005 9:09:28 GMT -5
left my body? I did have one rather crazy dream halfway through I split myself into 2 I floated up into the air looking downward's and my arms and body where stuck in the same position that I was in before I went to sleep and I thought "hey i'm aping" but put that thought to one side as every other time I have folloewed that train of thought it just end with me dropping back to physical.
I randomly flipped over so i was facing the sky then tipped forward into a standing position. After that I went rather fast flying forward, untill I was floating above the ocean in the middle of nowhere the only thing I could see was rather beutiful full moon and the ocasional reflection of it from the water below. somewhere around here I slowly started descending into the water, I never hit it but I think I woke up after that.
other then that the futherest i have gone is a couple of metres and I couldnt see s**t so jumped back in
my dreams are difficult to recall usually and rather fragmented somtimes I dont realise I've had a dream till halfway throught my day when somthing random happens or I have a memory which seem to have no place in my mind.
yes very keen to find a good meditation method
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Jun 9, 2005 9:31:15 GMT -5
Blank it sounds as if you did astral project there, also perhaps you should began dream work, like I said learning the dreams gains control of your subconscous, also encourages you to know your inner self, which is crucial in astral projection I would began some simple affirmations, and perhaps a meditation..not sure which one as of yet.. but Im thinking the conscious mediation I just posted in the obe techniques.. to get to know your dreams, first dream recall, hehe.. the more you do dream work the more your inner worlds will open to you.. okay so perhaps recite these affirmations before sleep "I am aware I am dreaming" "I have control over my dreams" "I remain fully aware as I fall asleep" say these with again as much feeling as possible, try not to focus to hard, it will just come, this will tell your subcosncous your ready to take control and innitiate the minds programing process.after all we control our minds, all we need to do is tell it so... dream recall in the morning lay there for a bit if possible, ask yourself some questions "where was I just at"? "what do I feel from my dreams"? do this untill anything comes to mind, anything and write it down, or go over it a few times mentaly.. the first step to astral projection is getting a hold of your subconcous in such a way that your awareness will become clearer... perhaps some psychic work wouldn't help either... also if you want try a few obe techniques... like the lack of sleep one, lol it seems to work well..
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Post by spinner on Jun 22, 2005 6:25:45 GMT -5
Hello, I'm new to this site, but I'm jumping in feet first. I would love some one on one help with obes. My goals are to seek higher levels of consciousness by learning how to astral project and lucid dream. I've read soooooo many books on various topics...now, I just want to do; to act. So my focus is on practice...and of course reading up on my new focus: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming. I had my first astral projection about a month ago and have not been able to do it since. I'm reading the Art of Dreaming by Carlos Castaneda and so I that is the technique I am using. My intention was to lucid dream, but instead, I astral projected. I don't know what that means or how it happened, it just did- and now I don't know quite what to do or where to begin. So I just try to be conscious of the fact that I'm falling asleep. Also, I practice tensegrity to redistribute energy (I'm new to tensegrity as well). I've been following my dreams for years, however recently, they have taken on new levels...like waking up within dreams...more than once. I'm not trying to, this kinda stuff just happens. So, I'm attempting here to actually focus myself and take on some new challenges that can potentially raise my consciousness. Hmm, I'm not sure what else to add. I could ramble forever, but that would be boring so I won't. Lastly though, if it's not totally clear, I am very much in line with the Castaneda perpective. Okay, let me know if you want more info.
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Jun 22, 2005 6:56:12 GMT -5
hello there spinner, well it sounds like you already have the awareness part down, which is shifting conscousness.. also I would like to hear some of your dreams, lucid dreams as well, and also a bit more detail of your astral projection experience.... thanks for joining up and also maybe Blake can help you out as well... I would like to know exactly what techniques youve used and have you done dream work before? dream recall techniques,lucid dream techniques???
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Post by spinner on Jun 22, 2005 12:58:00 GMT -5
Hi LilacSky! Well, I am pretty new to the obe lingo, but I am assuming that astral projection and obe are the same thing...if not, please do inform me. Since I have been looking at my dreams about 9 years now, I have had moments of being outside myself in that time between falling asleep and waking up. At times I would find myself floating above my body...I would even make full rotations above myself. It was trippy, but I was at a loss of what to do with the events..as in how to understand its importance. Similar events have been happening over the years. However, in the last few months, I have decided to get a little more serious and begun looking to how to remain conscious in my dreams. Oddly, I had some success, but not what I was expecting. Instead of dreaming, I lifted out of my body walked through a window and out onto the street where I then flew itno the air and over the city. It was exhilarating! Until I started heading out into space! Everything was getting dark and I knew where I was going- and I freaked out. I got really scared and somehow willed myself back down towards the city. I became very clumsy and almost hit a couple buildings in a spiral like fashion...I woke up out of fear. LOL- I was a train wreck. I couldn't believe it at first, but everything was in line as far as my location. I projected a couple more times, each time flying and ending very quickly....I believe because I have no focus or clue as to what I'm doing...and of course, some fear...I think because all this is new and unknown. I don't know...that's why I'm here! I think in dreaming, I am much more conscious than I realize. Reading up on some of this stuff, I'm always like: "wait, I do that!" Most of my dreams feel real- I need however to have some focus and start directing my movement a little more. I believe sometimes that I am shown things in my dreams of great importance that have inventive or healing qualities. For example, I have had several dreams about healing water structures...it's hard to describe, but they are like locations for people to move through and experience...the design, like nothing I've ever seen before...each one being vastly different than the other. So, I think it's lame that i don't do anything with this information. That it just sits in my brain As far as techniques, I'm kinda wingin' in. For dreaming I do the standard journal and symbol interpretation. As far as trying to project, I've been reading up on the Castaneda gates of dreaming and how to remain conscious while dreaming. It seems pretty universal though...mainly, intend to be conscious and eventually, you will be! I could be grossly wrong here and would not take it personally if someone would like to say so. Never-the-less, it seems that there is a lot to be conscious of and some tips on how to speed up the process...or encourage. I think part of joining this site, is to focus myself. By talking with all of you, I believe my intent stregthens and I expect my dreaming...or projecting to improve as a result. I guess we'll find out! Cheers everyone...have great day!
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Jun 22, 2005 15:18:43 GMT -5
hi spinner! thanks agian for joining us, Im sure youll find it very helpful here!! interesting, so do you feel the change/shift in consciousness when you project at all??? Im also curious of what is going through your mind when you are in between states.. so basicly your having high lucid dreams which I say is the same as lucid dreaming, howeve the differance again with obe's and dreams are that you are fully aware, you have complete consciousness..you see I think there are many layers, and the more we move inward through consciousness, the more awareness we gain, now once we reach a certain state of clarity we can transfer our consciousness, outside the body completely, in RTZ, whcih is real time zone..however this is hard to acheive fully, because the subconscous gets in the way, and it takes much focus and perhaps even psychic work would help with gaining this level of awareness... I have only experienced the RTZ a few times, the rest were jumbled with dream sequences..so to me they were lucid dreams..The real thing is when you can actualy be in reality out of your body and not in dreamscapes.. so there is alot between the two..but often people get confused and call lucid dreams obe's , they think they leave their bodies but have just increased awareness... so what would you like to learn, no fear,? more focus? higher levels of awareness?? I think that sometimes it takes time for these things to naturally come, ya know, I can help you as much as I can, but honestly I think as people change/grow go through life, they began to eliminate these fears, and learn focus, and realy develope their inner selves, but I would suggest working on the subconscous, and the fears of your sub, because it gets in the way too many times..too many times it has happend to me, and it just got me agravated lol... so I honestly try to face my fears one by one as they come, but I also tell my inner self that I have control and that I have power..and just recently I had a high lucid dream where I faced some fears..so I think they will always come at us,, ya know as our life changes, new fears develope under the surface, and the only way of getting past them is standing up to them when they show themselves to us, in our dream worlds this may take time,...but I think those that have inner strength, and will and also a strong sense of self are the ones who can achieve greater awareness, because no matter what they will confront their fears and move on ya know, and they are usualy more aware of their fears on the surface instead of them coming out of nowhere...
so what are these water structures?? What if I said I had similiar dreams?lol ya know I have seen some the craziest most ingenious things with water, and for some reason people flock to it../them..its strange, I could never descrive some of them , so big and just nothing Ive ever seen before either..perhaps water is a high significance to everyone..Im starting to see that the more people I talk to often they dream of water...so perhaps it is a universal human thing lol,not sure yet, but that is interesting that youve seen structures as well.. hmmm????lol well honestly I think your doing what you should be doing to gain awareness and eventually it will grow and you will leave your body fully.. The only thing I would suggest realy is working with your fears and maybe try a few techniques.. if you want you can read the obe faqs page in the obe board..and look around a bit, there are many techniques you can try, I would try one that you think may work well for you.. or even affiramtions may work for your fears,that is what Ive been doing, and its been successful, it may not work for you, however I think if we concentrate and focus on our inner selves, just listening to our instincts can help us gain awareness.. even psychic work, because I think psychic work can be beneficial in obe's as well... okay Im gonna pm you some things.. thanks spinner glad to have you..
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Post by spinner on Jun 24, 2005 18:03:44 GMT -5
Hi LilacSky
First of all, you are wealth of knowledge. I've had to reread your posts a few times now. I think a lot of my confusion with all this is that I lack the language...it's all a mess in my brain!
So your questions:
"interesting, so do you feel the change/shift in consciousness when you project at all??? I'm also curious of what is going through your mind when you are in between states.."
When I consciouslly intended to lucid dream and then astral projected instead, I was surprised by my own awareness...there was, if you will, a strange vibration and spinning feeling; especially at my center. However over the last month or so, there have been these strange waves of energy moving through my body when I try to go to sleep. They are really painful and I'm not sure what it is about. The waves start at my feet and move through my head. It makes my arms twitch and I feel like I just want to jump out of my skin...which might be the point...lol...I guess that makes some sense. Regardless, the feeling is so consuming that I really get no where in particular, but of course, uncomfortable. Some insight would be most appreciated.
When I'm in between states, I'm really trying to focus and not wander off in thought too much. I try to remind myself of tips and then I try to just shut up...not so good at that part though.
"so what would you like to learn, no fear,? more focus? higher levels of awareness??"
Yep, all that! I fully recognize that there are realities beyond the one we are currently experiencing. I want to perceive the inconceivable! It seems like a worthy lifetime goal!
"so what are these water structures??"
LOL, that's so awesome that you and others are seeing these structures. Yeah, they are totally huge...never small. The last one I saw was like a cruise liner on the water, but the whole thing was like a massive cave with tunnels and pools and slides...all the surfaces being a creamy translucent blue color. It was so beautiful.
Hmm, so you bring up fear a lot in this last post. What do you mean by facing fears in your dreams? And in waking consciousness, do mean to work on insecurities and social hang-ups?
And as far as lucid dreaming, I never make declarations like "oh wait, I'm dreaming!" and then proceed. I just function in some better than others. For instance the other night I dreamt that I was moving down a blue hallway (the walls were blurry and hard to see) and the only way that I could get through the hallway was to focus on a man in front of me moving down the hall. When I caught up to him at the end of the hall, it was as if we had just accomplished some great feat...we then played like children (fun) and the dream was over. My point, I think that I have dreams of varying levels of awareness, I'm just not trying...until now. Now, I just want to have more focus and actually try for something amazing...if that makes sense...not really huh. Hmm, I'll think about this a little.
Lastly, what do you mean by psychic work?...and what is a "pm?" LOL...I'm kinda clueless...and then not. I confuse even myself. Sorry!
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Jun 25, 2005 7:36:03 GMT -5
lol spinner, well Im glad you found us! how did you find us anyway?? well pm's are personal messages on the forum you can check them up at the top on the menu bar...I forgot I was going to send you some things..crap! okay well Ill do that after I post this.. well what I meant by fears is bascily pushing past them, as they come up ya know..like say you were about to leave your body but got afraid, but you istantly remember you have power and push past it and move forth ya know.. I think working on personal strength is also important, because again you can face anything that comes up for you while your trying to achieve higher states..for me, I introspect a whole lot, and I use adversity in my life alot, and that is now showing itself in my dreams/other states...do you know what I mean, by turning a negative into a positive, with thoughts..becuase yes we all have inner fears, and sometimes we are not aware of them untill they show their ugly heads to us in our dreaming world.. but I think if you keep doing dream work..youll succeed..because honestly thats what I did, I never did any out of body techniques realy..and they would just come, and after so long you gain control over your subconscious, that is a key to obe's..and higher states.. so you get vibrations strongly just before the exit of leaving your body..and spinning, hmm, I never felt that, but I think we are all differant and no two people leave the same way.. Im trying to figure out just how deep you have reached within your awareness..I would love to hear a lucid dream or one of your astral projections.the most intense one if possible lol..
I think we all could benifit from some psychic work that could even just be to use a tool, such as tarot,runes,anything like that,because what I found is that the more we are familiar with our psychic channels the doors within us/subconscious will open even wider..and that alone will grant us higher awareness.. I used to do dream work mixed with psychic work and the results astonished me,..I began to realy reach in myself and my awareness grew stronger and stronger.. but thats just a bonus hehe..you can simpley do techniques for obe's and continue dream work and of cousre introspection and meditations, now Ive never realy done meditations either lol, but some claim it does wonders for gaining awareness, another thing is reading..read books that enlighten you, make you think, make you reach into yourself and discover new ways of looking at things.. okay Im gonna send you a few things..maybe they will help ya, if you like you can start a dream journal or you can start astral projection log..its up to you! okay, Ill talk to ya soon.
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DragonSinger
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Dragons eye sees what you do not
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Post by DragonSinger on Jul 13, 2005 14:08:41 GMT -5
K, Im signing up. Totally beginner. Never gotten out. Tried what seems like everything. Im very active, cant stay in one place for long. Bad at meditation too. Goals: Get out!! Furture goals: go back in time. Looking forward to a couple of things. I also want to be able to look into anothers mind while I am out.
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Post by section8 on Jul 13, 2005 14:10:07 GMT -5
YAY Kelly.
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Jul 14, 2005 0:07:22 GMT -5
okay kelly cool..well have alook in the obe techniques section and aslo try to read as much as possible and the obe faq's page as well..than ask me any questions you may have..also if you can read astral abyss the obe parts and the dream parts..if you wish..and Ill get back with you..
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