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Post by existenceisadream on Sept 6, 2005 2:05:55 GMT -5
I agree with your interpretation also. I like how you still decided to go ahead and work on your "boxing" skills after realizing there was no need to fight. This kind of reminds me of the dream I PM you about going out to kill that guy but then everything switched around on me and made me realize I took it the wrong way. Like you thinking that this guy wanted to fight but then realized it was all good.
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Post by zayin on Sept 9, 2005 17:10:51 GMT -5
Thank you nanni and existence, I found the humour in it as well. ANd yes Existence it is like your dream that you had as well. Some realizations. Coolness.
My dream last night was pretty cool. I reached a wierd perception state. I was an elephant, but not really. I had an elephant body but I was moving like a person. There were two of us (elephants). We were sneaking around trying not to be seen, and we were on like an obstacle course. I was a really fat elephant and I could feel the weight on me. I went up to a huge slide and it was made of fabric. I slide down it and it was very fast. In the middle of the decent was a huge ramp that sent me flying through the air, doing a slow and graceful flip, but only one. The flip was perfect and I landed in the landing spot of pillows on my bum. It was so fun I went to do it again, and with the same result. Next I ran (like a fat elephant) over to a big wall that I had to climb. My elephant friend was at the slide. He went down the slide but it went really wrong. It sent him off the ramp side ways and he flipped OK, but landed way off target. He landed on his back on the fabric path right beside me. He lay there for a few minuttes just moaning, but he was OK.
Next I am at my gf's moms house. I am walking up to go to work. My pants, and my money were stolen by this other guy there. He was actually wearing my pants. But instead of freaking out I remained passive. I even wondered why in the dream?? I was gripping about this, and the mother started making fun of me..!!! What the hell i thought. She started making faces behind my back! I said screw this I don't need this. Since the work was for them I decided to go home. I walked down the road and it was slushy. I was having trouble walking, like I was tsuck, or in slo-mo. Then a tracter went by slowly and I asked for a ride. The dude said No we are full up. So as it passed I looked for a place to hide. By focusing on the tractor I found myself floating along with it, without walking. I grabbed ahold of a ladder that was on the back and hitched a ride while hidden. Another dude jumped on too, but where they could see him. I said "Don't be a heatbag, there gonna see ya in the mirrors". Then he hid better. Thats it I woke.
I really liked being a fat elephant.
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Post by existenceisadream on Sept 10, 2005 0:03:57 GMT -5
The elephant dream sounds fun. It's like an Ld I had about 9 months ago in which I came about a waterpark and just slid down the waterslides over and over again. It's weird you and someone else were trying to hide or not be seen by the tractor driver and that you were walking through slush because the dream I recorded that was from yesterday is like that as well but different. I was able to remain invinsible as long as my roommate and I didn't move. Then after the people who were looking for us were almost out of eye sight we get up and make a run/drive for it and then the road turns to ice and eventually has too much snow on it and we have to ditch our truck and go on foot. I wonder what it means? I wonder where you were trying to get to? Maybe just away from the people who were dissing you? It's weird how the people you were trying to help were being punks to you. I wish I was better at dream interpretation but I'm sure you may have it figured out to a degree.
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Post by nani on Sept 10, 2005 17:11:38 GMT -5
Incubus that gave me such a great laugh.. "a fat elephant".. one of the biggest animals.. and then.. "trying to not be seen" this is truly a great sort of paradox ! Cool, its over and over such amazing how inventive our subconscious is. This was a real sweet story, I can not interpret that, I get aware that I can less and less interpret anything, maybe because of the "high" level we are on, at least I do feel that our "normal" psychology doesnt fit anymore that well. But anyways I or you just can associate to the symbols and pictures and also to what we know about such figueres. So just some fragments which do come into my mind. And elephant is supposed to be a symbol for wisdom, in many countries the elephant is holy. For me it feels as you do have a kind of "partner" in both dreams, first the other elephant, second the dude who jumpes onto the car lateron. In both cases your "partners" (in dream psychology one would say a partner represents another inner aspect of you) does something "wrong", the elephant in having a light accident, the dude in not taking care enough. Conspicous is that Hiding plays an important role in both dreams, which could mean a want to not look at inner aspects or just the contrary, cause its shown that these aspects Are there in fact and that you only partly can controle that, namely at the dude-situation, where you told him to better hide. But in the elephant-slide situation you couldnt help or control your "partner-elephant", but was lucky in that nothing bad harmed or happend to him. I think our subconscious just shows us in a playful way some hints to integrate parts we dont like so much to see or live, but its only shown to make us more complete, whilst we or our egos mostly only want to be perfect and in control. I feel that the first dream shows that you can rely on fate, that even when you are not in control nothing bad will happen, and in the second dream it showed that you can have control though, over whatever. Though now I did try to interpret it in psychological terms Lol, anyways. As both dreams had a content of flying (from the slide and beside the car) the dream-content also just could be related to Obes very well, could show the subconscious dispute about progress and "failure" in regard to OBEs. So I`ve rambled enough for today LOl, its fun and exciting to just let my mind freely go rambling on your interesting and funny dreams, and I hope you can see it just as what it is - the impression of another person, me, who doesnt know anything Lol. lgn
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Post by zayin on Sept 10, 2005 19:04:07 GMT -5
Existence- I would like to know what the slush means as well. I have found that to be a re-occuring element in my dreams. I know the feet represent grounding to me. I 've also read that when you try to move normaly in a dream/obe state that you can find yourself not able to move. That we have to learn to move, in that state, as if we were a purely energy body. Which makes sence to me, because we are moving with our mind and not in any way physically. Also as soon as I didn't focus on moving I found myself just floating along beside the tractor. I would like to know what the symbolism of the slushy snow is, but I think as soon as we focus on moving as a physical action we can't move. Just like when seeing a spirit, or an aura, we imediately try to see this with our eyes and the image is lost.
Nani- I totally agree in that it is so difficult to interpret a dream. I think our higher self (the abstract/the spirit) comunicates to us by manifesting countless years of symbolism into our dreams. We, in our dream state, have a better understanding since we are in a higher state of awareness. That is why, to me, it is so important to attain lucidity in our dreams, as well as recollecting them. And yes about the ego trying to be right and know everything, I totaly agree. Don Juan says that ancient man used to be totally conected with the silent knowledge, intent. And when they started to do everything almost perfectly and always had the answers, they developed individuality, self-importance. And then self-importance was found to be self-pity in disguise. Sort of like egotism is insecurity in disguise. Our ego, self-importance, and our false sence of individuality has led man away from our silent-knowledge. Anyways I also love to ramble away!!
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Post by existenceisadream on Sept 11, 2005 2:11:36 GMT -5
Hey Incubus I'm not sure of what the slush means but I do have a few ideas. Normally snow or blizzards in my dreams means I'm trying to get to something or achieve something in real life but am being held back. Plus in my latest dream it started out as ice to where I was having a hard time driving to slush where I could no longer drive and had to go on foot and then this slush turned to deeper snow. I think this may mean I'm (and my roommate because he's 25 years old and has finally just moved out of his parents house so this is a big change for him) are still at the beginning of great change and that there's going to be a lot of obstacles to get passed to achieve a state of being that will lead to overall happiness. It's just a thought it could mean something Else as well though. I know what you mean about traveling in the astral especially closer to the physical realm versus the lucid dreaming or dreaming realm. I feel there are many layers to go through and the closer to the physical realm the harder movement is. It seems when I try to make physical moves in this realm that it's nearly impossible but when I give up my body (or energy body) will just move along without the thought of having to move my legs to walk.
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Post by zayin on Sept 11, 2005 13:25:01 GMT -5
/\ Yeah that makes sence about the slush for sure. I guess it is an obstacle in the way of moving forward.
My dream last night was so great I thought I'd never forget it...damn it. I know I was doing much magick of my own. I was doing my tree ritual, as well as giving thanks to the Goddes and the God. I casted many spells, and did many rituals, and I knew what they were, but have forgoten.
I woke to go up stairs to sleep and tried to re-enter the dream. I re-entered it, but not in the same spot exactly.
I was in a huge room, like a green house, that let the light of the moon in. It was a solitatary worship place, where solitary witches would come to do their magick. I had no ritual area of my own. I was in the room and noticed two other practinioners there. I proceded to sing, and dance as part of a ritual, for invoking, muck like a Faery ritual I do aroung a Hawthorn. I found a girl that was very interested in my magick. We made good friends. We practised together, no longer solitary. She left to her house and I stayed in the street, in front of the house. I walked in the street, observing the energies and feelings around. It was now light out. I waited for my friend to come back but she did not, and I was left with a sad feeling, I missed her. The feeling was not overwhelming, but almost more of a thought.
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Post by nani on Sept 14, 2005 17:17:00 GMT -5
hey a beautiful symbol that you have met this girl and practised together, something special in a solitary worship place I feel. I just do think and say: yes of course it feels sad when our inner counterpart leaves just after we´ve found and got closer to it. Finally I dont see any other way than to consider most of those dream-persons as parts of our self, especially the opposite sex persons as inner counterparts we are longing for to feel and be complete Again. lgn
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Post by zayin on Sept 15, 2005 23:30:59 GMT -5
Yeah it was so nice to practice together. It just sucks to meet such wonderful feelings of connection and peace, just to wake up, or be left in the dream alone. Which of course happened to me again. I was playing with gems, soo many different gems(i've been reading of gems lately). I was seeing the energy of the gems into my own energy and being projected. Some gems were revolving. I forget for what purpose or if we even had one. This girl and I spent the whole dream playing games with each other, while working with the gems. I have forgoten most of the dream(school is hectic) but in the end I was left alone and sad. This seems to be recurring in almost every dream I have. A girl, we form a connection, love, calmness, oneness, then usually I am left alone... what the hell! I'm tired of girls seducing me in my dreams. In THEIR dreams I say!! so mote it be. hmpt.
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Post by nani on Sept 16, 2005 9:27:07 GMT -5
hey Incubus, please dont get tired of meeting those wonderful soulparts of yourself (lol but seriously) !! I would consider it rather to be a miracle that we do have so much access to our inner self or counterpart.. but okay I also understand what you mean.. of course ! What do your last 3 sentences mean? lgn
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Post by zayin on Sept 22, 2005 14:10:49 GMT -5
hey Incubus, please dont get tired of meeting those wonderful soulparts of yourself (lol but seriously) !! I would consider it rather to be a miracle that we do have so much access to our inner self or counterpart.. but okay I also understand what you mean.. of course ! What do your last 3 sentences mean? lgn I agree dreams are so very fascinating. I find them really fun too, well most of the time. Oh yeah my last three sentences- I was just joking about how I'm tired of being seduced in every dream and would much rather seduce them instead! lol.
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Post by zayin on Sept 22, 2005 14:46:23 GMT -5
I've been a little busy with school starting again so I haven't had alot of time lately. I had a few wierd dreams, one in paticular which frightened me, and it was after doing some reading from the book. I'll post that one first.
The dream was so vivid and clear. I was walking through my school's arboretum (tree collection). I often like to walk at the school at nighttime when it is quiet and collect seeds, and in my dream I was doing just that. I was headed over to a big Oak tree to check if the acorns had fallen yet. I headed all the way across campus and everything was peaceful and quite. Then I stepped on a branch that had fallen, and it seemed to get tangled around my feet. As soon as I focused on freeing my feet, I couldn't move, I thought then that I am not really here after all. Then I thought maybe I am here but in the body. Then I went to move again and felt something was watching me on my right side. I looked right to a fairly distant tree and saw a very dark black image under the canopy of the tree, and in the tree a little too. Immediately I felt very scared of this image and I wanted to run but couldn't move at all. I couldn't even look away from it. Then I thought 'what if it comes at me?', then as soon as I thought that I started to float slowly towards it, then I was flying right at it with no control. I was so scared that I jolted myself awake violently. I awoke in total darkness and felt...well...not so secure. I went and turned a light on.
Another dream. I was in a big grassy field with a few hills and mounds. I was fighting another guy, all across the big field. We were armed with katanas, daggers, and throwing blades. The fight was very intense and fast, and I felt like I was going to win. Then I could not keep up anymore, and my blades would miss every time. I started to get sliced up by throwing blades, and then hit with a katana. I felt the sensations of being cut many times over and in the end I begged for mercy. I don't know what I'm fighting really, but if I'm begging for my life it must be a pretty important thing.
My other dream was pretty cool, I think I am beginning tounderstand working with animals in dreams. Actually I am getting a book called 'animal speak', it's so great!! The book is so good I can't even say.
I was in a living room with another girl. There was a big blue lizard in the room. It looked almost like a huge blue iguana. The girl was very scared of the lizard and tipped over the couch to get away. The lizard was fast and chased the girl around. I then thought about the lizard being friendly and a very pretty colour. The lizard ran over at me, and it was much bigger now. I was worried for a second, and then thought again it was totally safe. The lizard ran up to me and fake bit me. It started to teeth its gums on my arm. I started to pet it and it started to walk up my arm. Thats all I remember. Last night's dream was extremely fun hehehe. But I will not go into details.
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Post by existenceisadream on Sept 22, 2005 15:01:11 GMT -5
That is freaky about the dark character. I have the thing that as soon as I think a thought in a dream (especially lucid) it happens. That's why I try hard not to think any thoughts about the dream ending. I wonder if the dark character was an inorganic. I've been doing a lot of fighting and sword fighting in my dreams lately as well. I'm not sure what it's about though I feel there's things in my life that need to be changed and dealt with but I keep putting them off. I like the lizard dream. The same thing happened to me but in a lucid where I was walking down some path and I think I may fall I'm not sure and there's this big watwiler (spelling) dog and it comes at me and I'm frightened but as soon as it bites me I realize it's more of a play bite. I think because I was lucid I made it a play bite as well because I didn't want to feel the pain of a real bite. I'm not sure thought. What's the name of the animal book that you have. Sounds interesting and I think I would like to check it out. I've been doing a lot more outdoor meditation because the weather is so nice and a lot of animal watching and I swear the animals will come right up to me as if I'm no threat to them at all which I most wild animals wouldn't do. I feel maybe it's because I'm putting off such a friendly energy to them.
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Post by zayin on Sept 22, 2005 15:27:54 GMT -5
Yeah I was wondering about the inorganics since I read about them before sleeping. It felt crazy though, I didn't think I'd be scared of seeing an inorganic, but this made me feel dread. I'm not sure if I was OBEing or just having a dream. It was so real I thought I was there, and I was also aware of my body. It was great untill I saw that dark figure.
It's great, like you say, to have animals come right up to you. I don't think there is a better feeling then being connected with animals and nature, at least for me. Yes I agree that it is totally the energy you give off to them. I swear that I call animals and butterflies to me by 'sending' them pleasent and safe thoughts, and with calmness. It doesn't always work but quite often I seem to have great animal experiences that I feel very grateful to have. The animal book is called 'Animal Speak' by Ted Andrews. I've heard alot about it, and browsed through it a little bit. From what I've gathered it is about communicating with animals, on many different levels. It teaches how to interact and telepathically communicate with animals using many different techniques. It was also recommended to me as a book for working with familiars. Amazon has some reviews on it that are good to read too. The library would probably have one in stock.
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Post by Lena on Sept 22, 2005 21:33:44 GMT -5
Hey, rats play bite me all the time, in real life lol Yes, animals can definitely feel our energies, without doubt. My rats fight when I'm in a bad mood. Towards the end of relationship with my ex, who lived with me, we had a lot of negativity going in the room daily. And my rats got so bad fighting, that there was actually some blood involved, which is highly unusual for them. I remember crying and feeling hopeless because I almost thought about putting them in separate cages. But then as soon as he left, they stopped!
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