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Post by nani on Sept 29, 2005 10:11:32 GMT -5
So, question/discussion (of chapt. 6) could be: What do you all think about the little girl ? What could she represent in your own eyes (besides the explanation of the book)? How does this symbol (little girl) appear in your dreams or obes? Is there some-thing/one which/who needs your help? Could it be interpreted different? Like i.e. our inner child.
BTW: in all our dreams till the 27th the most stick out children were little girls.
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Post by sxy on Oct 4, 2005 3:28:32 GMT -5
Hey Glad you are here Blake...... I'm not on the computer much now ,yet I do read still....I am enjoying the book....and doing well with studies,learning.....also looking back on old dreams ...they make some sense now ..! ;D found a good link to C.C. info;;;~ www.prismagems.com/castaneda/djintro.html Also at bottom of page>>>> " Don Juan..... described the dreaming attention as the control one acquires over one's dreams upon fixating the assemblage point on any new position to which it has been displaced during dreams. In more general terms, he called the dreaming attention an incomprehensible facet of awareness that exists by itself, waiting for a moment, when we would entice it, a moment when we would give it purpose; it is a veiled faculty that every one of us has in reserve but never has the opportunity to use in every day life." Questions about : this third type of scout;;;;; One of the strangest things dreamers find, which you yourself will find, is this third type of scout. The most ferocious scout hides behind people in our dreams. It's annoying that they are always associated with the dream images of our parents or close friends. Perhaps that's why we often feel ill at ease when we dream of them. A rule of thumb for dreamers is to assume that the third type of scout is present whenever they feel perturbed by their parents or friends in a dream. Sound advice is to avoid those dream images. They are sheer poison.) *****Hummmmm............. I just had a dream of this kind , my father ,and a friend were not them selves as they would be in normal days.... I was disturbed by that dream and now ...I believe why ...it was these " 3rd type scouts". it answers a few questions, They were attempting to make me think badly of my father and friend in this dream at separate times... things they would never do and say !!!! I'm glad I just read this and thought I must pass it on , if any of you had similar dreams since reading ..... www.prismagems.com/castaneda/djintro.htmlHappy reading .....>>>.. ~SXY~
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Post by crazycat on Oct 18, 2005 1:52:50 GMT -5
Hey Sxy. I was expecting to click on those and listen to the MP3s
That webpage you posted has the writing of those. I was reading there yeaterday and found it very helpful. It was kind weird: I was reading on the second or third one and and even though it's not about the chakras, what I read was like a piece of puzzle that I needed to make something about the chakras clear to me. It was like a ah-ha thing. Thanks!
Oh I could not find that 30 min. thing on, Werner Erhard's "The Heart of The Matter"...
I tried to do a google search and find it and the weird thing is this Thread here came up on the google search. ;D I just copy/paste this in the search engine. Werner Erhard's "The Heart of The Matter"...
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Post by existenceisadream on Oct 18, 2005 4:11:45 GMT -5
On days that I have to work mornings I have been getting of work and taking 10-15 minute power naps in which I've been going straight into OBE's or LD's everytime. I fall to sleep very quickly because of how tired I am but for some reason I just have so much awareness in this sleep. I always wake with in 15 minutes after falling to sleep I think do to the OBE's or lucids. I then get up because after this rest I'm fully rejuvenated. I used to sleep like 2 hour power naps but these leave me feeling way more tired and out of it plus makes it harder to get to sleep at night. Anyways this is what happened on Oct 16. I got of work and feeling really tired I finished reading chapter 5 of the book. I lie down at 3:58pm and fall to sleep very quickly thinking about the book mainly about finding a scout in my Ld. I wake at 4:08pm(only maybe 8 minutes of sleep).
I go into a weird dream sequence that jumps around to a couple of dreamscenes but with the same DC's. I become aware while a dream is ending but for some reason (I think because of the OBE) I can't remember key things that happened in this dream. I keep the consciousness into sleep paralysis and feel myself sleeping on my stomach. I don't hesitate at all and I push myself straight up and out of body. My vision is very bleary and I begin to turn away from my bed but my sleeping body catches my eye. I decide to put have of my energy body back in my sleeping body and pull back out. This feels very weird and I do it a couple of times but I feel my energy body trying to be sucked back in so I decide to try to leave my room to see if I can verify anything in waking life to look at later after I wake. I leave my room and walk into the living room and turn to look in the dining room and I see what appears to me my roommate but my vision is very blurry so it's hard to tell. The figure I see looks much more like energy than the people I see in lucids. I think to myself that my roommates at work right now and I know I'm in an OBE and not a DOM so this is weird but before I can think another thought a frightening thing happens. This energy that looks like my roommate jumps at me and feels like it just goes right into me. I fall onto the floor with this energy and it feels like it's wrestling me. I'm terrified but at the same time I'm trying to remain calm because I'm losing complete visuals of everything around me except for the feeling of tangling with this energy. I lose it eventually and begin to try to scream myself awake. I'm not sure if I lose awareness for a moment or what but next I'm hearing a Turkish style sounding guitar riff and I'm in a living room but not where I live. I realize that I'm now in an LD instead of an OBE because everything is crystal clear. I walk up to the front door that is glass and has dirty water marks all over it and I open it because the sound of the guitar is coming from outside. Outside there's this guy sitting and playing the guitar. I get a very strange feeling that this is a scout maybe and for some reason I feel that I can't let on to this guy that I'm aware that I'm dreaming. Like as soon as I do this he'll have control over me or something. We make eye contact and look staring into each other eyes for several moments(this has been happening in alot of LD's and non Ld's lately). Then it hits me that what I'm hearing is actually the CD that I put on before I went to sleep. I shut my eyes and begin to just meditate to the music and when I open them the dream has faded and I wake from here. I wake to the exact song that I was hearing in the LD/OBE. I felt sort of strange after waking from this plus for some reason I just couldn't remember two parts in this dream that I feel something very important happened. Plus I haven't remembered a dream since this has happened. There hasn't been a day in months in which I wake with no dream recall but not only did I not remember any this morning but I also couldn't remember any from this afternoon after a nap. I almost feel like this energy from my OBE took some of my energy or awareness. I'm not sure but it kind of freaks me out and pisses me off if this is the case. I want to go back into the OBE and find this energy and demand for what it took from me. I don't know sounds crazy. I'm hoping when I wake tomorrow that I'll have good recall so that I don't get too worried about what took place. One more take on it. If the energy I saw in my house was my roommates even though he was at work. Maybe it's because even though he's not physically there, because he spends so much time here, maybe some of his energy is always here. So maybe I was seeing only a fraction of his energy and for some reason this decided to "attack" me. I mean this energy just lunged out at me with no warning and caught me by total surprise. Or maybe I saw the energy as my roommate because that's who I'm used to seeing in my apartment but after realizing this couldn't be because he was at work, this energy or entity attacked me before I could think about this too much. I feel like what happened in the book with Carlos and him wrestling with the inorganic being sort of happened to me but I didn't wake feeling totally out of energy or anything. If anything I felt like I had even more energy. So maybe there was an energy exchange between us but "it" took some of my awareness as well.
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Post by sxy on Oct 19, 2005 3:17:00 GMT -5
Thank you CrazyCat ---Yes I searched everywhere for that INTERNET page , I suspect that due to copy write, the Mp3 audios were removed...? Duno ...! Too bad , I had downloaded them... but canceled them to make a copy at a latter date with better Disk...CDRW not to clog the computer ..Doe ..! I had them ...hummm. Funny ...I could only find this forum ..! I did find a lot of neat OTHER stuff.... Well? >>>> This is what you could have had, It was posted back Oct 3 2005 to check it out ... I think you might have been away .... Wonder if anyone else saw the audios>>>? I will look more and tell if I find it ..!~SXY~
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Post by crazycat on Oct 19, 2005 13:07:23 GMT -5
Sxy, would you still have the address in your history or do you have to keep that delete too regular as well?
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Post by nani on Oct 19, 2005 19:46:54 GMT -5
existenceisadream, your post here will be the first one to reply to for me tomorrow (after I`ve announced it several times finally aehm..), just to let you know quick.. Im out of time anywhere I am lol at the moment.. and again its 3 oclock in the morning..dont know how I get every night ending like that hey, but it feels like late bed-time is advantageous for my receptivity/dreams and so, but not for my ability to get up and work, anyways, looking forward to read and discuss your interesting stuff. greetings of love and best wishes to all of you fellows, lgn
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Post by nani on Oct 20, 2005 10:11:35 GMT -5
WOW Existenceisadream, WHAT EXPERIENCES ! - this obviously is the content of the book itself what had happened.
Your experience and your understanding of it sounds very reasonable.. though I do hear a bit of doubt or worry.. just to explain why I speak with such a long detour probably not coming to any point of your question lol. But also I have to say something about my own state of thinking about this work and what is a bit difficult for me, not yet understood or just doesnt fit to my beliefs.
First I have to say: its really time that Gav comes back now! Gav !!! we do need you now! Send a message or sign please ! Maybe it helps if I speak it out loud. BECAUSE I have to confess that Im slowly getting more and more confused about whereto this should lead, not saying that Im gone give that up - Never - I´ll finish that book and work of course. But the sense of it gets blurred, maybe also its my own strong belief-system which doesnt fit with concepts like "being sucked off of any strange beings", sorry, finally I cant and maybe also dont Want to believe in such a kind of "bad" world, not in the physical, not in the astral neither finally. Obviously the bad is in the physical, so it would be quite reasonable that it also exists in the astral, as the astral is a kind of mirror to our physical exisctence - at least at the lower planes - but finally yet when we get one step further into the higher realms there must be only divine, great and good energies, I BELIEVE. So untill now I think that this chapters are a kind of mirroring the lower astral-planes, which only consist of one purpose, namely to leave it behind, in overcome it through confrontation. So sorry for being such rambling, but I dont have any other possibility to express where I am at the moment refering to this work-out and to express why and how I got to such opinions. First the sense of the book just was, to increase our dream-activity, that was what Gav has said or intended, at least how I understood it. Now, the point is, that for me and most of us this first purpose has happened, more intensively dreams and plus obviously in coherence to the book content. But as Im (in opposite to you and most here) not that advanced in OBEs and LDs of course my level of ability to experience the given advices and techniques of D.Juan and make a great use of it, are not there. But anyways the whole thing has moved my dream-awareness tremendously. You now, as you have been that developped yet before, have gone right directly into the main message and process, like C.Castaneda himself did - this is how it looks for me - this is incredible and great, that you could make use of it that much, I dont think that anybody had expected that, maybe only Gav as he knows through his own experiences how much could be triggered. So Existenceisadream, I guess you are just in the middle of that, and need to hold on, most important go through - because the Solutions and final explanations are supposed to come towards the end of the book, as well as the personal final metaphysical process is finished at the end of reading I guess. Its so easy to just say: "dont worry and keep on being brave" and hard to do, especially as you want some answers, which I cant give finally, but a suggestion: Next time try to speak more clear with your figueres, room-mates or whoever comes along about what they are and want, be it anorganic-beings disguised (what the book says) or just challenging energies of you within. I guess that for the moment (or for me) its not important if these energetic challenges are made by independent beings or inner beings. Cause its meant to be a process, a process of spiritual growth and enrichment. Gav said again and again that FEARLESSNESS is the KEY. So if you have come to the point that you doubt anything in the way of loosing dream-recall or any other further and worse worries, or that you feel that anything/body could have the power to take something or energy of you in this REALity, then its time to get back to know that You are the ruler of your universe. Aside of this it is mentioned in the book that it only can be taken something of you in return service, though that is what you are saying at the end of your post, that if energy was taken off you in the first place, then you must have got something in return - we could see it just as (an allegory or) an energy-exchange, thats what it is according to D.Juan. And you have said that you felt energetisised after the experience finally, so all what happened truly is an expression of what is supposed to happen. So but now I have to stop to blablabla, very great progress and process Existencisadream. And I really would need and love to hear from You and all you guys Blake, Linda, SXY, Ronni, Incubus, Blank, Letherea, Odni and all others: what and how do you think about the "philosophy and message" of the book? what has come out for you personally till now? has the perception and opinion about the theme/content changed refered to what you thought at the beginning and now 4 chapters before the end?
In 4 weeks when we are through the book, my proposal would be to do a kind of summery refering to the content of each chapter. Like one thread for each chapter and then we all can put the Very compressed content of our experiences in coherence to the book-content into the refering chapter-thread. Just if we wish and like, maybe also then we wish to take a break and just hang around in the Lounge-or Joker-section LOL..
love_growth, Nani
BTW: Existenceisadream, YOU was in my dream tonight, it was very strong. You, me and my best friend wanted to meditate together, then you had started already to chant the OM in a very strong way, then we joined and it got very deeep, then you stood up to get something and I and my friend was going like: hey come back soon, we need you man, thats fabulous.. !!! then you came back and before we continued I unfortunately awoke by a sound from outside.
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Post by sxy on Oct 21, 2005 1:42:15 GMT -5
Hey Nani , nice that you could sum... exactly how I feel, lol......... it is true ,yes Nani...! I am changed by this book , reading this book is hard, ch.7+8 were hard, I too don't want to think that we are so vulnerable. Its Scary... At the same time I have followed with the lessons in my dreams, they have correlated with the book as the only explanation that I see....hummm.... possibly lower level beings ..? yes , Or evil spirits ... Really it is nothing new to religious people, it's in many religions. Reading about it this way as a lesson of Sorcery, but a "good"...> sorcery, as Don Juan teaches. I am less shocked with the content of the book ,and strange,..?, I feel stronger now that I am not in the dark about these things ,not fooling my self, But are they exactly as the book reads..? We will have to read to the end of the book , as I can't wait to read the next chapter , I wrote in a previous note ,I was visited by something and then I had no memory ability. also, my father was not himself in a dream,that was very disturbing , it was a scout .? Just now are my dreams recovering as my energy was zapped like in the book , VeRy sTrAnGe...... It has to be the answer..... I'll read on ...!!!! ~SXY~
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Post by crazycat on Oct 21, 2005 2:23:58 GMT -5
She pretty much summed up how I was feeling about it too, Sxy. About these scouts, are they the same as spirit guides that other authors speak of? And are there good and bad scouts? I've never ask help of a spirit guide, I think because of my religious beliefs. I've just always it had in the back of my mind that it could be a wolf in sheep's clothing. Hehe! I'm a scare..dy cat. And all this talk about disguising themselves as family members ..... takes deep breath. I don't like the sound of that.
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Post by existenceisadream on Oct 21, 2005 4:49:32 GMT -5
Yea things have gotten a little weird. I have to make this short for now. Nani thanks for your encouraging post! I've actually been slacking on reading the book and am only about to start reading chapter 6. It's crazy but I only read small sections at a time of this book (because every few pages has so much wisdom and knowledge) right before sleep and it has a huge effect on my dreams. I think by reading it just before sleep I've been going into the sleep with full intention to carry out tasks from the book (though I've been looking for a scout to take me to the organic beings and now it seems luckily that hasn't happened yet). I'm not about to give up reading the book but just by reading the first sentence of the next chapter I'm at "You must be extremely careful, for you are about to fall prey to the inorganic beings", it once again puts me at a feeling of dread. For one I feel addicted to Ld'ing and OBE'ing and just exploring my consciousness in general and even with the knowledge of the inorganic beings and just overall evil in the astral world I'm still compelled to keep at it no matter. One thing that bothers me is that these inorganic beings are after our awareness and I feel maybe because of how much dreaming awareness and overall awareness I've been getting to it's made me prime target for these inorganic's. The thing is if I read other books with this same intent to bring the book contents into my dreams I bet it still would happen. It happens a lot with fantasy books I read. But this book for some reason seems just so much more intense. Maybe it's all the expectations especially by doing it as a group and pretty much expecting results in our dreams. I figure I'm still alright after that last OBE and I just need to work on my clarity in My OBE's so that I can have a better handle on what's going on in them. It just feels so not like normal felt reality that it makes it hard to operate while in them unlike LD's that I have. I assume that I feel so comfortable in my Ld's because I've had so many so I've gotten much more used to them and OBE's are still somewhat new to me. My recall is getting a little better but I have to put a lot of effort into it. It's so weird after waking and having whole dreams already there without any effort to remember them. Since this OBE I haven't had one LD or OBE and not very much awareness in dreams at all. Yesterday after waking and lying on my back I went into sleep paralysis very fast in which I could view my room through closed eyes very easily. I thought to myself "that was fast, I'm not even sure if I'm asleep because of how fast I got into trance". Not once did I even think about leaving my body. It's not like I thought to myself that I was afraid to leave my body but the thought didn't even cross my mind. It was like deep down I wasn't letting myself. This makes me mad because I don't want to be this scared to OBE but it's getting to that point. The thing is, is that in most my OBE's it seems like they never end very good and I have a sense of distortion in them. It's like I see things more as energy than actual objects. Like the thing that wrestled me. It was more like a blob of energy than anything else. It just sort of resembled my roommate. In my LD's everything is crystal clear and I never have any fear or worry at all. I feel at home in them. In all my OBE's I have a sense of dread. I feel way more vulnerable in them and they feel nothing like LD's do. Well that's all for now. I'm sure I missed several things I wanted to point out.
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Post by sxy on Oct 24, 2005 5:27:14 GMT -5
I've never ask help of a spirit guide too Crazycat ,,,,, don't know hummm.
~SXY~
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Post by crazycat on Oct 24, 2005 6:13:57 GMT -5
Hehe!
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Post by sxy on Oct 28, 2005 2:29:08 GMT -5
Hey CrAzYcAt and GAng the MP3's 1-16 .......compiled from ten of Carlos Castaneda's books,is back up on this site>>> ;D > Carlos Castaneda's Don Juan's Teachings * 45 minute MP3s that make up the recorded version >>>>of 117,500 word book was compiled from ten of Carlos Castaneda's books www.prismagems.com/castaneda/MP3 #1 , MP3 #2 , MP3 #3 , MP3 #4 , MP3 #5 MP3 #6 , MP3 #7 , MP3 #8 , MP3 #9 , MP3 #10 MP3 #11 , MP3 #12 , MP3 #13 , MP3 #14 , MP3 #15 , MP3 #16 BUT NOT ~ Hummmm.......oh well ...! ~SXY~
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Post by sxy on Oct 31, 2005 4:04:45 GMT -5
ok...? wHAT'S GOING ON HERE....? IT'S GONE AGAIN...! HUMMMM.......OH no !!! :owow !!! wELL ~ tHIS TIME i GOT THE dOWN LOADS AND WILL HOLD THEM, ;;;;;; ;D sORRY for all the bad links ~ unreliable site , but I did get them for myself , maybe the link is being worked on ..? ~SXY~
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Post by nani on Oct 31, 2005 9:53:54 GMT -5
Hey SXY.. lol you sound so funny and sweet when you are a bit disgruntled.. dont despair please lol.. I dont understand much of this techniqual-MP3-link-thingy, but surely you`ll find out why it doesnt work.. oh and the links itself works though.. unfortunately I cant make use of it (translation is too difficult), but others surely would do, so keep on rolln friend.. lgn
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Post by crazycat on Oct 31, 2005 13:54:08 GMT -5
All I see is written files. Isn't mp3 files something your suppose to download and listen too.
It would be nice to listen, rather than read. LOL!
Anyways, what I've read so far is interesting.
Thanks again, Sxy
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Post by sxy on Nov 1, 2005 1:00:31 GMT -5
"Yes" CraZYcAT~,The web page seems to be changing, It was there ,now it is not ..! I managed to down load all 16 Mp3's.....they work fine..! Nani, > I end my fretting and embarrassment ...,I am just a simple peanut. .lol, "not worth roasting"....he he..! ;D Hey I have now learned my lesson ... "just because something is on the Net. It may not be there for long , so ....copy/download > fast ..!!! ;D
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Post by sxy on Nov 25, 2005 1:53:00 GMT -5
;DNani and I had a very similar dream about a woman that i met in my dream that was asked to do a funeral,I listened to some of the speech and song ~ like rymed.... It could have been you I'll have to check the date ,,,, just a day or so ago ... hummm ... cool ... I wonder if any of us also had other similar dreams too ... ~SXY~
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Post by Gav on Dec 22, 2005 13:17:02 GMT -5
Hello,
Sorry for both my own and Kirtys sudden absence, and well done for continuing with the project.
Thank you very much to Blake and Nani for keeping things going.
Obviously I have much to read, however I am back now and I will read it all, and compile a full analysis based on everyones contributions.
Thank you everyone for taking part, I look forward to reading through all your journals.
As I have so much to consider in one go I will not reply to journals and posts individually but instead compile everything into one huge document along with conclusions, questions and answers etc.
I will however work my way through the questions and answers thread and provide as much insight as I can to any of the debates that may have arisen.
Kind Regards Gav
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