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Post by Dancing Bear on Nov 10, 2006 23:46:09 GMT -5
Instead of cramming up your study boards Watchman I thought i would start up my own note pad, with my assignment notes etc for the duration of these studies, that way if anyone wants to print out any of your notes they can without getting my ramblings as well  Anyways enough of my ramblings I have sat down today and worked with Woody Allen's chart.. I have edited this chart as i believe i added up wrongly with the expression number I had 23/5 and Hearts Desire I had 13/4.. I kept breaking down numbers. whereas i should have stopped. Sunday 12th November.Life Path ~ 22Expression ~ 14/5Hearts Desire ~ 5Personality ~ 9Birthday ~ 1Maturity ~ 9Lacking ~ 4 & 8Balanced ~ 9 & 3Over average ~ 1, 2, 5 & 7Under average ~ 6OK don't shoot me but here goes with my interpretation of all this..It was really hard for me coz all these numbers influences actually blended really well, to create Woody Himself and i am use to reading an overall picture and not an individually, so i gave it my best shot with the awkward English language..... And quite often a number was greatly influenced by another giving things more positive nature and drive.. Not much negative at all in this mans numbers.. Life Path Master number 22This man is a builder, he definitely did that in his lifetime, he built an empire in the Movie industry, Obviously he had to work hard for his achievements, and time and time again pushing a boulder up hill to get to the top Expression ~ 14/5 ~ In Woody's Case i would see this number as who he is and the life path number as his Destiny.. because Woody was definitely an opportunist, he took gambles he had vision (9). He took the opportunities when they came along early in his career, Mia Farrow his first wife was also part of this. He put them both on the map ..... even though in her own right if she was a lousy actress she would not have made it, But i doubt very Much Woody would have stuck her out the front of it all if he Knew that, after all he was an opportunist in every aspect.....He was full of ideas and needed to express himself because of the influence of (22) Restlessness was maybe the negative side to this number for Woody, He was restless with his career and his relationship.Always striving!and now being also a 14/5 he, I thought has handled this Karmic number quite well staying focused on his goal, I do not know whether he has been an alcoholic nor of his womanising ways. He has been in Hollywood circle majority of his life, so i am only assuming he has succumbed to this type of lifestyle , but being powerfully focused on his career and his passion to create, I do believe he has conquered this Karmic debt as far as his career is concerned. His personal life i think is where he struggled, And as you mentioned before watchman I think this Karmic 22 and 14/5 would indicate Woody would be at the end of his Incarnation Karmic cycle.. I think his Maturity number 9 may help him out on the personal level Looking within at his personal thoughts and feelings, instead of his creative ideas.. I dont know him personally but i do hope he has taken his twilight years to concentrate on his spirituality.. Hearts desire ~ 5 ~ This always striving i think comes from this number bordering on a Workaholic, His work being his passion, as he was always striving to improve and get out what was within and being someone who was a risk taker with an open mind, He put his fingers in many pies, acting, directing,company's,writing etc etc. and again Opportunististic to fulfill his desire to succeed, I think he would not be far from doing whatever it took to succeed.Even if it was ruthless. I think he was a thinker and schemer, he used whatever and who ever that was around him at the time to succeed in his career.. Personality ~ 9 ~ 9's are someone who has Vision who pays attention to his inner thoughts and ideas.. He obviously was artistic which comes with this number and open/broad minded with the content of some of his movies, also his own private life Marrying his adopted daughter, which over here is illegal BTW LOL! But being a passionate person and combined with his birthday number has him being someone to go for exactly what he wants regardless of popular opinion, he follows his "own" thoughts ideas and heart... with 9 being his personality and all other numbers in his chart , He has used the influences in a most positive way and built his inner vision for all to see.. and yet he is such a personal naturally shy person.. Birthday Number ~ 1~ His talents were his ambition, his perfectionist traits , his ability to take advantage of what was around him at the time to help him build his empire, He was a leader in the film industry going out on a limb with some of his earlier works, becoming a pioneer breaking new grounds, He was definitely a risk taker with many things in life. Maturity ~ 9 ~ yet another 9 in his chart, with this number in Maturity position says to me he took a lot more notice to his personal inner workings , whereas in his earlier years he took notice of his inner creative ideas.. Here in this part of his career he married his 2nd wife and settle a little bit more, he has built his empire it not so much of a mad rush anymore, he still has to struggle even with marrying his 2nd wife there was controversy surrounding it, nothing seems to ever go overly smooth for him, But in watching from a distance he made it work for himself and his new wife, anyway regardless. This dude is a real trooper! Lacking numbers also help him shape his life, 4 his fear of losing it all strives him to being ever so vigilant and active in all aspects of his career, lacking 8 says in all aspect he never has had it easy anywhere. feel sorry for this guy right now LOL! I think his charts suite Woody to a teee! This chart is who Woody is all over, whether it is because of his numbers he is successful or because Woody is successful these numbers are correct. Its like which came first ... All i can say is Numerology is pretty darn accurate... It was hard for me because as i was doing these numbers i could see the links that were happening and the influences all of them had on each other that it all became inter mingled before i wrote all this down, so sorry if i muddled some of it There you go Watchman my first assignment  How did i do? |
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Post by watchman11 on Nov 11, 2006 9:27:29 GMT -5
You did really good, Dancing Bear! You caught me off handed because I had just expected you to calculate the numbers for now. lol
You're right one of the most difficult part is to disentangle the various influences. I'm going to dig his bio to give you another exercise (like sinatra's) that will help us clarify it. I'll also comment on what you're written so far. Be back soon.
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Post by watchman11 on Nov 13, 2006 6:02:42 GMT -5
Hi DB,
After digging his bio, I got a slightly different picture of him so I'm going to give you some quotes/excerpts for us to try to see the concrete effects of numbers in his life. (as you did for Sinatra). Just a couple of comments on your assignment for now..
You said " he had vision (9)". You're right 9's tend to have a vision (or two) but that’s a vision of the world around them. While with wondy Allen, it’s an inner– idiosyncratic- vision which he exposes for all to see. So an interesting question would be where does it come from if not from 9’s?
For 5, you used “workaholic” and “striving”. That would be more for a 22/4 (builders), 6 (if it’s applied to some sort of service to others) or 8 (number of achievement). 5 does have a sense of restlessness but it’s also a number of enjoyment, that places satisfying it’s needs on top of it’s to-do list (hence the risk of self-indulgence and excess). So it’s very likely to go for the path of least effort.
Also I wouldn’t say he’s an opportunist though, in his profession at least. Because with his writing gift, he could have been a lot more successful by adapting to the mainstream market’s demand.
And now, the bio excerpts:
1) After adopting his stage name at the age of 17, in 1953 he enrolled in New York University's film program, quickly failing the course "Motion Picture Production"
I Never drank, smoked, NEVER studied. Failed everything. Fortunately I was working as a gag writer when I was going to school.
2) In the 1990s, Allen settled comfortably into the role he'd begun assuming during the previous decade; working with limited budgets, he made exactly the films he wanted to make regardless of current trends, with a steady and dependable cult audience to keep his career successfully afloat.
His movies -- intimate meditations on recurring subjects such as art, religion, and romance -- put a knowing, confessional spin on the anxieties of contemporary audiences, telescoping their fears and concerns through his own mordantly neurotic onscreen persona.
Drawing universal insight from the traditions of Yiddish humor, Allen established himself both as a comic Everyman and one of American filmmaking's true auteurs, writing and directing features which broke with established narrative conventions and infused the screen-comedy form with unprecedented substance and depth.
3) During his five-year tenure in television, his efforts won him an Emmy nomination, but like Mel Brooks, Allen found a career as a writer stifling, and eventually decided to try his hand as a performer.
For all intents and purposes, his career as a stage comedian -- a period he later admitted was wracked with fear and self-doubt
4) Allen later married Bananas co-star Louise Lasser in 1966 in what began a pattern of romantic involvement with his leading ladies.
5) Allen spent at least 30 years undergoing psychoanalysis, sometimes as often as three days a week. Most of his films contain a psychoanalysis scene. Even the film Antz, a cartoon where he only voices Z, the lead character, begins with a classic piece of Allen analysis schtick.
"For me, it's really like therapy. If you take an inmate in a mental institution they give them basket weaving and finger painting... You know, it's good for their health, it's good for their stability. With me, it's movies. If I didn't make movies, if I didn't work then I'd sit at home and brood and think and my mind would drift to unsolvable issues that are very depressing. If I work I become obsessed with characters and what joke to use, and these are problems that are solvable. They're annoying, but they're solvable. If I didn't work I would be facing problems that I didn't want to think about"
6) I'm not a perfectionist at all. I don't like to rehearse because it bores me. If there's a scene I'm shooting with a mistake in it, I don't do another take particularly because I don't have the patience. [Actors] are disabused of that notion that they are going to come in and be working with someone that is formidable or will fire them or will yell at them. Or make them to do crazy things. I never get a performance from anyone that wasn't there before I met them. I hire top people as actors and actresses. And then I get out of their way. I tell them, if you want to change the script, change it. If you want to say these lines, you can say them. If you don't want to say them, as long as you're in character, make up your own lines.
7) For some reason, since I was a kid, I could make up stories, I could make up funny jokes and I could always do it. To this day, when I'm walking down the street or having dinner, ideas will hit me, and I write them down on matchbooks or napkins and throw them in the draw. People ask me whether I think that one day I might wake up one morning and run dry, but I've had the opposite feeling - that I would die before I had time to write all the ideas in my drawer.
And lastly two quotes that tell a lot about him in very few words.
"Man consists of two parts, his mind and his body, only the body has more fun."
"I think being funny is not anyone's first choice."
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Post by Dancing Bear on Nov 13, 2006 17:29:59 GMT -5
OK Cool ! I wasnt overly far off! cept his 1st wife. Mia Farrow must have been his second and few other things LOL!! I will go away with this new info and comare, and adjust.. Do you want me to practice on the others also until i get the hang of this?? |
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Post by watchman11 on Nov 14, 2006 6:11:30 GMT -5
lol. I'm going to search bill gates' bio so we can get enough info before starting. Since we already had a look at sinatra's, you can sink your teeth into his full chart when you feel like it.
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Post by watchman11 on Nov 21, 2006 7:09:02 GMT -5
1) Many decisions that have led to antitrust litigation over Microsoft's business practices have had Gates' approval. In the 1998 United States v. Microsoft case, Gates gave deposition testimony that several journalists characterized as evasive. He argued over the definitions of words such as: compete, concerned, ask, and we.[31] BusinessWeek reported: Early rounds of his deposition show him offering obfuscatory answers and saying 'I don't recall' so many times that even the presiding judge had to chuckle. Worse, many of the technology chief's denials and pleas of ignorance were directly refuted by prosecutors with snippets of e-mail Gates both sent and received.
2) Since Microsoft's founding in 1975 and as of 2006, Gates has had primary responsibility for Microsoft's product strategy. He has aggressively broadened the company's range of products, and wherever Microsoft has achieved a dominant position he has vigorously defended it
3) Gates meets regularly with Microsoft's senior managers and program managers. By all accounts he can be extremely confrontational during these meetings, particularly when he believes that managers have not thought out their business strategy or have placed the company's future at risk. He has been described shouting at length at employees before letting them continue, with such remarks as "That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard!" and "Why don't you just give up your options and join the Peace Corps?"[35] However, he often backs down when the targets of his outbursts respond frankly and directly.[36] When he is not impressed with the technical hurdles managers claim to be facing, he sometimes quips, "Do you want me to do it over the weekend?
4) On June 15, 2006, Gates announced his plans to transition out of a day-to-day role with Microsoft effective July 31, 2008,[39] to allow him to devote more time to working with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Gates gave away over $29 billion to charities from 2000 onwards
5) Gates has published several essays throughout the years based on his theories, predictions and visions of the computing industry. In these publications he often expresses his personal views on current topics, and discusses Microsoft's plans
6) Bill Gates, Paul Allen and, two other hackers from Lakeside formed the Lakeside Programmers Group in late 1968. They were determined to find a way to apply their computer skills in the real world. The first opportunity to do this was a direct result of their mischievous activity with the school's computer time. The Computer Center Corporation's business was beginning to suffer due to the systems weak security and the frequency that it crashed. Impressed with Gates and the other Lakeside computer addicts' previous assaults on their computer, the Computer Center Corporation decided to hire the students to find bugs and expose weaknesses in the computer system.
7) Gates has published several essays throughout the years based on his theories, predictions and visions of the computing industry. In these publications he often expresses his personal views on current topics, and discusses Microsoft's plans.
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Post by Dancing Bear on Nov 23, 2006 4:21:30 GMT -5
Hey Watchman sorry i have been absent here, i have not been overly well and the mad christmas rush has had most of my time...
I will post up full chart without interpretations shortly for both Bill Gates and Frank Sinatra..
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Post by Dancing Bear on Nov 23, 2006 5:08:09 GMT -5
Frank Sinatra Francis Albert Sinatra 12th December 1915Life Path number 22/4 Expression number 12/3Hearts Desire 27/9Personality Number 12/3Maturity Number 16/7Birthday number 3karmic Lessons chart 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 numbers 3 - 1 - 2 - 1 - 4 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 3 Average 6 - 3 - 2 - 0 - 3 - 1 - 0 - 0 - 5 Franks number Occurrence -------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Gates Willian Henry Gates 28th October 1955Life path Number 31/4Expression number 12/3 I used the Y in Henry as a vowel because of its sound liking to the letter to E. Hearts Desire 10/1Personality Number 11/2Maturity Number 16/7Karmic Lessons Chart. 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 Number 1-9 3 - 1 - 2 - 1 - 4 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 3 Average 3 - 1 - 2 - 1 - 4 - 0 - 2 - 1 - 3 Bills number occurence ------------------------------------------------------------ Gandhi Mohandas Karamcand Gandhi 2 october 1869Life path Number 27/9Expression Number 13/4Hearts Desire 21/3Personality Number 10/1Maturity Number 13/4Karmic Lessons chart 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 Numbers 1-9 3 - 1 - 2 - 1 - 4 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 3 average 7 - 1 - 3 - 5 - 3 - 1 - 1 - 2 - 2 Gandhis number occurrence OMG the amount of ones this fellows got ! ------------------------------------------------------------ I have finally got round to their charts Yay!! Hopefully i did them right  |
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Post by watchman11 on Nov 23, 2006 18:55:44 GMT -5
Hey Watchman sorry i have been absent here, i have not been overly well and the mad christmas rush has had most of my time... I will post up full chart without interpretations shortly for both Bill Gates and Frank Sinatra.. There's no rush at all DB. The class doesn't have deadlines just so it doesn't become a chore. The charts are perfect, btw. Hope you're feeling better.  |
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Post by Dancing Bear on Nov 24, 2006 2:11:27 GMT -5
feeling a lot better Watchman thankyou!! Well i have attempted putting the numbers i think influenced those aspects you posted about Bill Gates.. I hope i got some of it right.. I am an 11 also, but with my Expression number so can sort of relate a little to this one..color]
1) Many decisions that have led to antitrust litigation over Microsoft's business practices have had Gates' approval. In the 1998 United States v. Microsoft case, Gates gave deposition testimony that several journalists characterized as evasive. He argued over the definitions of words such as: compete, concerned, ask, and we.[31] BusinessWeek reported: Early rounds of his deposition show him offering obfuscatory answers and saying 'I don't recall' so many times that even the presiding judge had to chuckle. Worse, many of the technology chief's denials and pleas of ignorance were directly refuted by prosecutors with snippets of e-mail Gates both sent and received.
lacking 6's , could be a part, with the self sacrificial bit. But i think all of this strength would be due to his Hearts desire 1's using it to his advantage Expression number 3, bold outgoing and resilience to over come setbacks. I also get the impression he is a quick thinker with these combined with his master 11 gives him this edge to to make this stand.
again 11, 1, 4 and a lacking of 6 makes him a workaholic and self sacrificial, putting his all into the company
It is a hard one here as he has only two unbalanced numbers and everything else seems so positive,could be due to his Maturity number not kicking in just yet.I have noticed that 11's are very quick thinkers and do not suffer fools gladly, it could be his 4 influence liking order and being methodical himself with no patience with those who are not. and having a couple of 1's for hearts desire and his birthday number 1 it could also have an influence being ambitious, and self reliant, 11's also do get a little impatient with those who do not think as quick or as perceptive, and also on the downside of 11 being idealistic. and definately lacking 6's..
11 again and his personality 2 , wanting to make a difference on a deeper level.
His expression number 3 again combined with 11.
I think this would be due to his Expression number 3 and the negative side of 11.
Hopefully i did ok here!! It is hard when soemone has a master number as it does seem to dominate and exagerate all other numbers..
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Post by watchman11 on Nov 25, 2006 9:44:27 GMT -5
1) lacking 6's , could be a part, with the self sacrificial bit. But i think all of this strength would be due to his Hearts desire 1's using it to his advantage Expression number 3, bold outgoing and resilience to over come setbacks. I also get the impression he is a quick thinker with these combined with his master 11 gives him this edge to to make this stand.Yes, his 1 Heart's desire (urge to remain on top in front of people) and 3 expression (knack for self-expression) explained a lot of his weaseling his way out, the 11 could have added his haughty attitude. You're also right about the lack of 6 but it would have produced the opposite effect. Since 6 is concerned about others and feels a sense of duty towards them, it would make him inconsiderate and emphasize the cunningness brought about by the 1,3,11 combination, instead of being self-sacrificial. 2) again 11, 1, 4 and a lacking of 6 makes him a workaholic and self sacrificial, putting his all into the company The 11 and 1, yes, but I mainly see here the influence of his 22, that gives a vision and the way to implement it. 3)It is a hard one here as he has only two unbalanced numbers and everything else seems so positive,could be due to his Maturity number not kicking in just yet.I have noticed that 11's are very quick thinkers and do not suffer fools gladly, it could be his 4 influence liking order and being methodical himself with no patience with those who are not. and having a couple of 1's for hearts desire and his birthday number 1 it could also have an influence being ambitious, and self reliant, 11's also do get a little impatient with those who do not think as quick or as perceptive, and also on the downside of 11 being idealistic. and definately lacking 6's.. That's really good! 4) 11 again and his personality 2 , wanting to make a difference on a deeper level. yes. 11 shows the effect on a large scale. 5)His expression number 3 again combined with 11. yes. 6) I think this would be due to his Expression number 3 and the negative side of 11. Here I’d see the influence of his 22, the master builder that came up with the first operating system from scratch. And 3’s playfullness. Because even when they mention mischievious deeds, there was no harm intended. I wouldn’t keep 11 because the personality number is more about actions he’d make that would set/change people’s perception of him. So it’s more about him interacting with people/society. Hopefully i did ok here!! It is hard when soemone has a master number as it does seem to dominate and exagerate all other numbers.. Except for a few details, your interpretations sounded like those of a seasoned numerologist. : ) To get a good feeling of MN's effect, it's important to keep in mind where they're placed. He has his 22 in life path so that's something that will affect him throughout his journey. And since it has a material aspect, it fits anything relating to his building his microsoft empire and technical skills. His 11 shows up as Personality. So it's not his inner/private self. You can see it as bolstering his other vibes with a heavy dose of idealism and perfectionism (not necessarily on a spiritual level) when he has to deal with others. As you had spotted it in 3). |
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Post by Dancing Bear on Nov 25, 2006 18:16:55 GMT -5
Thankyou so much for your feedback.. No- Wonder I got it wrong in areas, I have his life path as 31/4 not 22/4 ..... I did wonder why he did not have a 22 so unusual for someone being such a builder. "um der" LOL!! What was his early childhood like ....with 2 Master numbers? It would be interesting to know... are you able to find out? Can you check Gandhi's too!! Coz i am sure he should have an 11 or maybe all his 1's make up for it.. I am so glad i am not too far from the mark though... Practice makes perfect Shall I try another chart? |
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Post by Dancing Bear on Nov 25, 2006 18:25:33 GMT -5
To get a good feeling of MN's effect, it's important to keep in mind where they're placed. He has his 22 in life path so that's something that will affect him throughout his journey. And since it has a material aspect, it fits anything relating to his building his microsoft empire and technical skills.
His 11 shows up as Personality. So it's not his inner/private self. You can see it as bolstering his other vibes with a heavy dose of idealism and perfectionism (not necessarily on a spiritual level) when he has to deal with others. As you had spotted it in 3).
Have you explained this before and i ahve missed it, because i was wondering what this meant..
I know the Maturity number and what it denotes, but i am little sketchy on the others still..
Can you point me in the right direction ?
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Post by watchman11 on Nov 26, 2006 10:21:24 GMT -5
Here are 2 links that tell a little about his childhood. The second is the more interesting. ei.cs.vt.edu/~history/Gates.Mirick.htmlwww.time.com/time/gates/rebel.htmlI gave a short description of the core numbers in thread L3. I'll say a little more when I write a guideline into chart analysis. For now, I prefer you muse over it on your own. Feel free to post any question, comment or insight you may get. I really think Gandhi would have been a totally different person had he had a master number. Especially with all the stress and abuse he went through in his early years. The fight for India's independence could easily have turned into a bloody revolution. I'll let you ponder on his chart too for now. There's not a detailled literature on master numbers so I'll just give you my opinion/experience of them. They're not a sign of spiritual enlightenment. I know a good many people who don't have MN's who are a lot farther on their spiritual journey than others who have one. As I said, I believe people can get them to get a boost to help them achieve something in the secular world. On the other hand, older souls may choose to fix some karma in the relationship department or anything else that doesn't require public exposure,... or Spirit may decide to send them down to improve society in a smooth way, so MN's inner tension and often uncompromising approach could do more harm than good. I'm going to dig other people's bio. Meanwhile, you can look at the influence of core numbers in the charts we've seen so far. |
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Post by Dancing Bear on Dec 22, 2006 17:26:22 GMT -5
Hey watchman
Yuor take on Master Numbers rings true for me... I have an 11, and the part where you said using it to fix relationships etc, is pretty much right for me ...
In my journeys studying these numbers, i have been asked for experiment to do a couple of charts for people... I have Noticed those with many ones, have the potential as Gandhi did to a lot of good with them... Or it can work in the opposite direction... I met someone with 8 1's in her chart , NO '6s and No 8's. Are 8's to do with being settled,Relationships, and stability??
DB xx
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Post by watchman11 on May 27, 2007 4:21:22 GMT -5
When studying a chart for hints into how the person may sway, it's good to check out when the numbers lacking or being overbearing are self or other concerned. You can have a look at the groups we set up back then here lilacsky.proboards39.com/index.cgi?board=numbers&action=display&thread=1140397674&page=1#1143335990. In the example you gave, you have an overwhelming 1. (having 8 of it is extremely rare, and the excess does tend to stack up). That's the number that's the most ego driven. So if you have numbers that show empathy or care for other lacking, it's going to be more difficult for the person to stay balanced. You're right 6 and 8 have matter. 6 has to do with service/responsibility to others (it has a lot in common with Virgo) and 8 is the manager number. Its vibes make the person goal oriented and willing to work with others for the sake of reaching it as succeeding as a team. (while one alone would tread on anyone to get what it wants) I should be back for a while. If you have any other question, shoot away. |
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Post by Dancing Bear on May 31, 2007 19:32:26 GMT -5
HI Watchman Glad you are back coz i have a question...
I just recently did a chart for someone and the hearts desire was a 11/2 would this mean that the person would have a calling/deep urge of sorts (i am thinking along the lines of helping mankind in some area spiritually/mentally) But they are being restricted.. because having any master number it is a challenge to get through the crap before you truly can illuminate / Build etc....
any input would be greatly appreciated..
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Post by watchman11 on Jun 1, 2007 13:31:31 GMT -5
Nice to see you still have fun with numbers, DB.
It will depend mainly on the person's age and the rest of the chart. If you perceived blocks, it should be insightful to look at the cycles (personal year, Pinnacle, Challenges) and check out the current influences. And of course the core numbers to see the major lessons to be learnt besides 11, and karmic lessons for fine tuning. Would you mind posting the chart?
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