Conscious energy?

[labell]

yes, very true, some would say a book, a computer, a hmm radio, even are merely attention and it is, yet the energy is placed within it at varying frequencies.. what if say you entered into my dream with me, and my dream is alive, it is me and a collection of whatever my attention is placed on, how it is formed and interpretes, how it even communicates.. would that be just energy or would it be conscious energy? the world is aware of me and my awareness, my thoughts, as well as any others that have seen the 'light of day'.. i guess what i am saying is that objects are dreamt into existence, as per their inventive enchanting, or rather the energetic motion of the purpose they are programed to do.. can an object move with it's own volition? can it answer you creatively, offering you a suggestion, an answer, one that you haven't say consciously thought of? but then it is merely a by-product of an expectative attention that then aligns to the sound and motion that you expect, thus being moved again merely by attention frequencies? yes i suppose that it is, but then again are not i the product of my experiences, my learning, my own frequencies i have encountered? then my own actions are merely being moved by outside attention, because i am surely a program myself, one that is adaptative, inventive, and in motion lol.. i can alter my frequencies by selectively changing my own attention, as per light channeling.. so then can a computer learn from other computers.. other web pages, books, insightful minds??? then can it act on its own, or is it merely an expectation again that provides the energy of motion. what if it intuits your needs and desires... is that merely an alignment of subconcious energy particles? personally i like how CC put it, that inorganic awareness is raw and pure awareness, and yet the accumilated life of a human is merely human awareness, or whatever form the awareness has grown into, yet the exchange provides forms.. can not an aware being give that form a form of self-awareness?? i believe so..

[~¤LilacSky¤~]

well I agree however we have alreayd established energy in such things as rocks and things man made, in fact man has created the 4th atom here, yes there are only 3 following eachother ina order to create eachother in order to create such things as air and fire, however man has created the 4th, dont you watch the history channel lol...so that means ultimatley we are the creators here and I have know this for some time now, but no one could prove it, so the mind enables many things of course evan depth of a particle, the particle can live outside of us but once we give it attention it gains a new atom..a moving particle, yes its true, and I do not find it ironic or unrealistic, I find it funny because we knew it all along IMO that we gather fuels create cells that create things but we also create another membrane of the source, its been proven that man has created this, and honestly look around you again, youll find man created most life here but how cool is it really to create someting outr of nothing...thats basicly what we did here, and we create human life, it go's to show that we are simply implementing ourselves here and trying to advance to such a place time can not touch us, even though thats another factor of life that man created...time.
its kinda like we already know the answers we want to savor life forever..think about it,, why do we constantly strive for technology? the answer is easy,...we want to live for ever, ive said it before ill say it again lol....we want to live forever, no one wants to die, we want to become this life as much as it becomes us...perhaps man has walked here before or a similar planet trying to engage knowledge that is beyond us, but man is purposeful and that will ultimatley lead us where we started...to gain truth and create from the roots of it.
something we already established eions ago...the sub can tell you this in many ways we are everywhere, time is a pinpoint of all direction leading to one attention...period...and einstein would agree lol
there fore, if we can create time, what cant we create?
the fourth atomic cell in our membranes and the univers as well...? come on...we are smarter than this , weve honed it all along, we came here for simplicity to create our outer structure of ourselves, Ill put money on that we are old beings trying again and again to live life forever..think about it,
I tell people this is the final hour, this is the final round, because it holds densiity, we hold density here, we can shape things, think aobut it, honeslty I think we have been around a long time trying to get where we are now...the physical, we planned it, we created it, and here we are questiong things as if we have no idea lol.....come on...I really think we somehow manipulated space and the fourth molecule wich is mass and density, we created it to be in such a existance in order to really develpe ourselves..so this life is a blink of what we truly are, so when we die I trhink we really are just returning to our orignal selfs that gave this reality thought to begin with.its really not that far fetched or hard to come by at all..and it is through simplicity we see complexity...and complex is what humans need...they need to feel important that we are some spiritual beings on some magickal path when in fact thats not true at all, we came here to create and share these things, however I think we gave a part of our selves up in order to do so that is why we are searching for more here on earth..when really its your own loss of creation that you seek, think about it again...you cant really succeed in love unless you fill yourself first, by doing what you came here to do create what you want and be happy with that, if you do not do that and try to love unconditionally it will fail everytime, because we all know an empty cup cant quench anyones thirst, you must fill it first.
I really am taken by mans conception of what life has become now a days a batltle of words and ego...its become a game, that pisses me off because its really simple, ......create what you want to now while you have the chance...and honestly thats what its about in my opinion, and if you do so the rest will follow....
life is hard but it doesnt have to be that hard....people make it that way, they need to feel complex and interesting, they need to feel special...to me its a cop out in many ways because ive seen what this can do to people they end up relying on ego, wich is a falace and majority of people follow others and thats not how it was meant to be or go...we manipulated ourselves through ourselves how stupid lol because now we dont know what to beleive lol...and we are sitting lost wondering wtf we are doing here wich again is a form of ourselves controlling /dictating ourselves when really we are all free, free from all these things like emotions, they are thought responsive to our own opinions...our true base here is intuition, anything else is basicly a creation from ourselves, I know its crazy and I never thought Id feel or think this way but the more I really look at things the more I see its true...that we are mere creations of our selves, a massive illusion we somehow manged to cement in this physical world, that is a part of our own time and space we again created to take shape , form and density to ultimatly engage in what we call life.
thats why I say we opperate fromt he subconsious, because just look at things, where did they come from? I mean its very simple that they came from our thoughts, so if thought can create and actually manipulate time as well as atomic beings/particles, what else can we create are we creating here?
in my studies the subconsious has showed me only my true fascinations and horrors, however also the true triuphth of the soul/awareness, when I awoke I knew that my test would be won buy my own will of mind and assertion so therefore again the mind can hone so many things but reality is the true test but is it? honeslty I dont think so..I think reality is a mirror image of what is really going on, and we are all manifesting our thoughts over and over again to gain this superconsiousness we call life..yes..we are manipulators of all things, and the true reality is actually within us, we are simply molding this outside surface in order to engage with a part of ourselves to test it and be able to endure its true intentions bringing us balance and true awareness that we had all along...ourselves as one... a bridge that meets all....I really think its that simple...lol..I may sound crazy but its before my eyes everyday...and everyday I see it more and more that we are souls occupying in a body rather than our bodies living as a soul.
a rock will not give us awareness back nor attention...therefore, our creation remains two ways biological and nonbiological.
there are two dimensions of focus here...however we have many layers of awareness...but the direct awareness we share..just look at the internet its a direct example of the huamn mind and how much we are share as one/many..we are ultimatley conected however seperate...I think its the most vast implement of what man truely is..and its not hard to see at all, its right before you laying the foundation of what we are here to do..evolve.

[crazycat]

Oh My! you guys have really gone around in circles with this one. It makes me think, what comes first the chicken or the egg. Hehe! I hope you don't mind me putting in my two cents.

First, I just have to ask. LOL! Does the rock create, does the sand create, does the tree create? Does the cell create itself? It may seems so, but in actuality there is an energy, a conscious energy, a substance that is behind this creating with sound. Also keep in mind there is only two principles the male/light and feminine/darkness. The light and darkness is not the source, but principles of the source. Some calls this creator of all that is, God for lack of a better word. The Kabbalist call it Keter, represented by the Hebrew letter Behina Sharesh meaning root of reality, the top circles on the tree of life symbol. It represents the crown chakra in the human being. This unknowable infinite all knowing source created the heavens and the earth to began with. 1st verse of the bible. Notice that is heavens, not heaven.

1. The first heaven/world/phase created is Chochma, the Hebrew letter Behina Aleph meaning will to recieve the light. (Y)

2. The second heaven/world/phase is Binah, the Hebrew letter Behina Bet meaning to give is better than to recieve. (observe and rejects the light) (H)

3. The third heaven/world/phase is Zeir Anpin, the Hebrew letter Behina Gimel meaning recieve a portion of light in order to give. (W)

4. The fourth heaven/world/phase is Malchut, the Hebrew letter Behina Dalet meaning a realization that all the light has to be recieved. (H)

If you noticed the four letters at the end of these phases are
YHWH (yah- hei- vav-hei ) which everyone know is the I am that I am. I don't know exactly how to explain, but these phases is the creation of the created creature, the Adam Kadman, the spiritual man, prototype that the physical human being is the reflection of. Adam Kadmon is the first created being who was both male and female. One note before going on, to me it really looks like from my little chart I drew out to help me understand, that the letters should have been HYWH (Hei-yah-vav-hei) since the 1st and 4th phase is the will to recieve light. hmmm...makes me wonder! Also, the Jewish Kabbalist teach that Chochma is the male principle the first phase and that Binah is the second principle the feminine phase, but it really seems to me it should be the opposite since the female is the reciever and the male gives out. LOL! everybody know that, right?
And if you draw out the tree of life symbol, all circles on the right side/right brain/feminine are all female characteristics and the left side/left brain/male are all male characteristics. The middle circle represents the heart chakra. The right side represent the front feminine chakras and the left side represent the back male chakras. Hehe! are those jews trying to keep something hid from us? Only the 6th , 5th and 3rd chakras has a front and back. The two bottom circles on the tree of life represent the sacral and root chakra.

Ok! I got a little side tracked, so back to what I was talking about:

From my understanding this Adam Kadmon creature co-created with the Source all the physical worlds/universes and all that is in them. They are created not from nothing, but of the substance of all that this being was and this created being created is of the same substance of the one who is the source. This Adam Kadmon is the God called Yahwah in the old Testament and Jesus Christ in the new Testament. Allah or Brahmin in the eastern religions. He is the first and the last Adam, the alpha and the omega. This God being is called Elohim in Genesis because of the breaking into the many that occurred before the earth, the physical universe was created. I don't remember how many there was of the first breaking. But these continued to break into many times until we are 6 billion or so now. We are all fractal of the one God creature, in other words images with the consciousness of the ONE, but that consciousness it mostly behind a veil. We are co-creators in that we create our own world within, but we did not actually created the outward physical universe. But then again the the one creature God that we are in the image of, a fractal of, did that creating so in that since you could say we did as a whole. LOL! So I went in a circle too! Hehehe! hahaha!

No wonder the circle represents God! That blasted never ending circle!

But that does not answer Dancingbear's original question, does it?

Hmmm... everything is made up of (light, energy and sound), (spirit, soul, and body), (male , female, and child), (Father, Son and Holy Spirit). And there is (conscious, subconscious and superconscious). Sooooooo! going by this trinity thing, I would make a guess that consicousness and energy are two different things. Looking at those trinities I listed I would say that energy, spirit, female, Holy Spirit, subconscious are the feminine principle of the whole. Light, soul, male, Father, superconsciousness is the male principle. So sound, body(form) child, Son, consciousness is the male/feminine principles combined as one principle. So if you look at the trinity as separate parts, consciouness and energy is not one and the same, but if you look at the trinity as a whole it is one and the same. Another circle! Hehe!


I give up!!!!! ;D

[~¤LilacSky¤~]

lol its all craziness!!!!!!!!!!!!! Crazy Cat!

[labell]

ronnie I agree with everything you say, and so i dont see how we even disagreed.. you state my thoughts as well.. the only thing is i see the material as a channal to all dreaming awarenwesss ever created, within every element of spirit, life, and matter, therefor there is truly no difference between a rock and the internet.. beside the awareness, or active understanding that 'holds the pattern' together, which i call a binary code (energy creating the form), the difference being a rock is generally stable whereas a computer os far more in motion, or 'radio-active'.. however the computer itself, and the internet, was created by the material simple forms of earth itself, life itself and spirit itself.. man.. IE: Em Pulse,, blah blah.. right? i mean i simple street light, or a tree bark, or anything can at all in life, can be a channel to any time, or any viewing of 'within time'.. since in science terms everything lives and everything dies.. or everythign has expanded from a source and returned to a source.. tho that is actually debatable.. since even history has motion within it.. but blah blah thats another topic.. yeah