Manifestations through dreams

[~¤LilacSky¤~]

I would like to talk about some interesting things with manifesting through our dreams and obes.

A while back a woke up to find scratch marks in shape of fingernails on my arm, I don't think it was me that did it, and I don't recall my dream, but I was in shock when I found the marks.

just today it happened again, but I was completely covered up and had two sweaters on, so I know I could not have left the scratches, plus they are on my back and I can't reach that far, also there is nothing in my bed that could have caused this.
I had a lucid dream today a bad one, where my consciousness was split and I was fighting my way back to reality, but I felt someone watching me, in both states, while I was in my bed struggling to wake up and in my dream,
now the dream was interesting I was forced to go to a house next to my old house and I walked in and there was a man there, I told him that I did not want to see my father, I had a bad feeling, but I opened a door and there was my grandfather, I gave him a hug, but than I don't recall much but being back in my bed struggling to wake up...
I could still feel someone there...
I managed to wake up by moving my body and shaking it, when I woke up, I felt out of it and I could hardly open my eyes, they wanted to stay shut
I think what happend it my mind woke up but my body didn't , since I was struggling so much to wake up, my body was not ready or the two were not aligned.
ahh, well I still don't know where the scratches came from, and I wonder if we can manifest such things , if we can manifest orgasms, why not other things as well.
any thoughts are welcome
thanks
Ronni

[Gav]

Ronni,

Do you recall actually receiving the scratches within your dream?

I have never experienced anything quite like that although my mother has.

For you to scratch your back has to be a practical impossibility especially given the generous night clothing you were wearing. So if you did not do it, what does that leave?

Either something else did it, or you did it in some way other than through the physical.

My mothers experience is a similar manifestation from what she perceived as a dream. The story is quite interesting so I will share it with you.

In her teen years, my mother’s friend set her up with someone on a double date, they liked each other so saw each other a few times more. The occasion arose for my mother to go round to this mans house, she knocked on the door, and his father answered who was then a frail old man.

He told my mother that she should run for her life, as his son was evil, and went on quite a rant on the doorstep before my mothers date appeared. He washed this off as his father being a little bit mental with old age, which my mother accepted without question.

After a few weeks of dating my mother started to hear rumours from various people she knew about the nature of activities this man was into, generally the consensus was that he was involved heavily in organised crime.

My mother confronted him about the fact that he no job but seemingly endless supplies of money and seemingly anything else he needed. He explained to my mother that he was not into organised crime, but he had in the past sold a few recreational drugs to friends, and that was why she was hearing rumours now. His money and all that he needed he explain were supplied by his involvement with a cult.

My mother agreed perhaps reluctantly to meet with the leader of his cult. The leader was an aging woman, she seemed full of charms and grace when they met, but my mother made it clear that she wanted nothing whatsoever to do with their cult.

Now she must have liked the man because she stayed with him, but soon he was constantly pestering her to join his cult explaining to her that it was her destiny and that she would be very powerful there etc, etc. My mother was a confirmed catholic, and was in no way willing to denounce her faith and take part in any kind of cult.

The true depth of what he was doing did not ring home until he stood her up one night; it turned out in the papers that he had been arrested for desecrating graves in a graveyard with some other cult members. Obviously now his involvement with this cult was a little more destructive than just anarchical sermons, he was involved in some form of active Satanism.

My mother told him that she would never see him again, and he told her that his cult would have her as she had been promised to him.

A night soon after the break up my mother had what she believed to be a dream, it was actually more like an OBE. She thought she had woken up in bed and sat up slightly, the window was open and the curtains were blowing in the wind. She saw the woman who she had been introduced to as the cult leader float through her bedroom window, towards her, and grab her neck. The cult leader began strangling her. My mother must have been screaming as her mother and father came rushing into the room and awoke her.

She remembers clearly waking up again and the woman not being there, but the window still begin open.

The interesting bit is where the cult leader had grabbed hold of her neck she had deep scratches, These scratches where actually so bad that she still has scars from them today.

There is more to the story but we will snip it there as the relevant part has been told….


Several possibilities are apparent as explanations.

I am pretty damn sure that I have opened a door whilst OBE, Robert Monroe has pinched somebody, what would it take to physically harm somebody? If the possibility of interacting with physical objects and people whilst OBE is a verified reality then we will have to drastically look at the measures we enforce to prevent and detect crime.

Questions here will arise as to whether the physical interaction is a result of pressure exerted upon an object by the astral body, or someone’s energy essence, or whether we are dealing with a PSI phenomena such as telekinesis, this question could not really be adequately answered without knowing for sure whether we really travel out of body during OBE or if the interface to the OBE experience is actually a psychic system. But regardless, the inability to answer (prove) this question at this time does not render redundant the growing evidence of the possibility of astral – physical interaction.

If we consider the possibility of other entities and thought forms on the astral, then these could perhaps also be able to take an affect on the physical.

Poltergeist phenomena, has in recent times been mostly attributed to PSI, this so called explanation really solves nothing; all it does is rename the problem. We don’t understand poltergeist phenomena so now we will rename it to the much not understood PSI phenomena. Yeh nice one you wizards of paranormal investigation.

A host of poltergeist cases involve physical harm; we are unclear as to whether this harm is caused by ‘unexplained’ mental mechanisms of the focus, who may have a latent repressed urge to harm themselves or others around them, or if the phenomena is actually connected with an entity. But regardless of whether this poltergeist is a thought form created by the focus, or an entity that exists in its own right, the results are the same, physical manifestations.

Another example of physical manifestations comes in the form of stigmata, again very much unexplained. Induced by the sufferer? Or inflicted upon the sufferer by the Christian God? Both seem strangely implausible don’t they? Why would someone want to inflict this upon him or herself, and why would their god want to inflict it upon them. Perhaps another impartial agent is responsible, maybe there is not a lot of difference between this and poltergeist phenomena, and only the manifestation is different.

We have to see the large difference between manifestations that we want, such as with a spell to conjure us up a huge pot of gold, and manifestation that we clearly would rather not have such as a violent poltergeist, scratches on the back or a stigmata.

Repressed negative emotion (especially sexual) is one possible explanation you will often hear in the fields of poltergeist investigation, so in some subconscious way we want to hurt ourselves, the poltergeist or the physical manifestations are the result of that unconscious desire to really screw ourselves over. Hmm no I don’t quite see it, many focus’ of poltergeist activity have been very young children and from very balanced families with good upbringings, I cant see how these children would have caged sexual instincts or latent rage. Not all of them anyhow.

We do have to give credence to the fact that some people do physically harm themselves, so perhaps this illness can carry over into our dreams and OBE, perhaps we are all capable of this behaviour, just it lays dormant in the usual realms of consciousness, and can be released through altered states such as dreams and OBE, so in effect we attack ourselves, but from the astral.

Many possibilities exist, personally I believe that something other than ones self has to be involved in these manifestations, as I can not understand or appreciate wanting to hurt myself, or anyone around me in the way in which people are affected by these incidents.

That said I once tried to give my physical body a black eye whilst I was OBE, so that I would have some validated proof of astral – physical interaction, I did not succeed, but imagine if I had but then also forgotten about the whole OBE experience and awoken with an unexplained black eye.

Kind Regards
Gav

[~¤LilacSky¤~]

wow, that was interesting, hmm, ya know I don't recall fighting in my dream or anything, but it was very negative, and like I said I felt someone there, watching me, following me.
as I switched back and forth from my bed to the dream, the feeling of a presence was still there.
that is interesting about your mother, I do think that some people can enter others mind of course, but hurting them through it remains a huge question.
Perhaps some learn voodoo so well that they can alter anothers reality and hurt them that way.
thats strange....
Honestly when I saw my scratches I just had a gut feeling I did not do it, and It kind of scares me to think that another being could.
I wonder if I am doing it through my own mind powers, like I said we can manifest orgasms, why not scratches ya know?
I mean maybe I have such a strong connection with my body that I can manage to manifest things more easily.
For example, after I work out for just a bit I see results imediately, I wonder if this is because I do have a strong power over my body, and that I am in tune with it very well, or that my mind is so enhanced and powerful that I can alter most things around me, including my body.
I don't know this is an interesting topic though, and I would like anyone to add common expereinces.

[Lady_Butterfly]

Wow, very interesting Ronni. I don't know a lot about dreams, but I believe anything is possible.. I once woke up with scratches down my back, and had no clue how or what caused them to get there, but this was a long time ago. Yeah.. anything's possible!

[blake]

I did have something like this once when I was like 15... I dreamt that I was fighting and I woke up with a bloody lip. The idea that it could have come from a dream did cross my mind, but I don't know... maybe they were chapped and I chewed em in my sleep or something. That is however, the only time I have woken up with a bloody lip, and it was in fact after a fighting dream, which is kind of an interesting coincidence. Well, whatever.... when something really weird happens I just say 'whatever'. lol

Boy that was one interesting story your Mom has there Gav. The window was closed before the encounter too?

From Ronni

ahh, well I still don't know where the scratches came from, and I wonder if we can manifest such things , if we can manifest orgasms, why not other things as well.

I kind of wonder if orgasms are just from unconscious astral sex and aren't exactly manifested.

[Gav]

The window was closed before the incident, but we cannot rule out the possibility, that it may have been just closed over and not latched, in such a way the wind could have blown it open

It is a crazy story, the incident and some other associated things affected her very badly at the time, I think her strength of belief in the church was increased by what happened, I guess her belief in Satan was confirmed by the incident as she could not explain it any other way, which in turn confirmed her faith in Catholicism and God.

In one way or another it has affected her till today. Her parents turned to the church after the incident, so she had a lot of contact with a local priest who only worked to further confirm her fears, of the power of satanic cults, and I guess inadvertently put her in fear for the rest of her life.

It seems to me, but obviously I think differently to my mother, and certainly differently to a catholic priest, but to grow the fear within her is to welcome a reoccurrence due to the energy associated with her fear and her now confirmed by the church belief that Satan and the cult could get her. Without that belief she would have been much happier and much safer to boot.

The scratches on her neck were in such a position that for her to do them would not be impossible but would be awkward. This was ruled out at the time, as she had no skin under her fingernails.

So it could be a psychic attack, as Ronnie said not unlike voodoo, her belief that the cult could hurt her is what may have given them access to her. And her belief in the reality of the situation may have manifested the wounds.

Suggestion is a very powerful thing, and when mixed with hallucinogens, religious fear, belief and a threat perhaps not a lot more is required to create a manifestation.

Voodoo has worked on these principles for years; its magickal roots are based more on drugs, psychology and social engineering than television would indicate. Perhaps my mother was spiked with a hallucinogen and the suggestion was given to her, which sparked the whole event, or made her easier to find and access her through the astral.

Or it could have been a dream and a series of coincidences, the window blew open as it was left off the latch, and she did the wounds to her neck herself somehow during the throws of a bad dream.

Or.. Just maybe. It really happened as she saw it, perhaps if not here in some astral realm that had physical cause and effect here.

Or a mixture, without further investigation we could only speculate.

[~¤LilacSky¤~]

Gav, Like I said I think that sometimes people can have such high telepathy powers they can enter our mind and if we are in a weakened mind state, they can manipulate our own thoughts, but I think it is rare and I think that we manifest these things more than anyone else ya know. but I do believe in psychic attacks as well, but I also think the person being attacked is "open" to accepting it, and that they are the ones that have to learn to close themselves from others.
I am still learning this myself,and it isn't easy since I seem to pick up on everyones thoughts and emotions so easily, It sometimes overwhelms me and I get anxiety attacks and I began to shake badly sometimes, so I am learning how to shut it off for when I know I can't handle the energy around me.
Perhaps your mom gav is an empath, I think myself being so open to everyone leads them to have more control if they wanted to.
Of course I would not allow it to go that far, but I must say there have been times when It was hard for me to control what I was receiving from others and it has effected me so much that I had many times almost past out and gotton sick.
hmm, maybe I had shut my abilitie off for a while , since I told you Gav that my psychic awareness has diminshed since I moved, but maybe I turned it off for a bit or closed the doors...

[Lisastar]

Hi everyone,

Ronni, I've experienced both of those things, the not being able to wake up and unexplained damage to your body that couldn't be done by myself. It was impossible because of the intricacy of the damage. Anyway, I'm an abductee so that's what they are from. I'm not saying you are one at all just that I can relate to you on how you feel.
And I wanted to ask when your mind was ready to wake up and your body wasn't, were you really warm? Was your body temperature running on the really warm side almost in a sweat but not quite?
You know those days when you are really tire and need to take a nap? Most of the time in those states I am to tired to take any of my day clothes off so I crawl into bed and toss on a couple of blankets, and my body temp rises and most of the time my body has a really hard time waking up.
I feel trapped in my body almost like your in a small coma or something. Reality starts mixing with astral stuff and you don't know if your astral waking up or if your real physical body is really waking up and getting up. I've been tricked many times by my astral. I can't count how many time I wanted to know what time it was and I thought I was looking at the time on my watch or my alarm clock and my astral body tricked me and I was looking at the time in the astral instead of the real time on my real physical watch.
Anyway, just thought to ask.

[~¤LilacSky¤~]

well lisastar,not exactly, I never got really warm or anything but inbetween wake and sleep is where I can feel the blankets on me and they just seem to bother me alot, I try to move them but I can't , I end up leaving my body or waking up.
but I do know we can manifest things through our dreams our minds are that powerful and than some...ya know, I just think its interesting how our body lets us know of illness and other things going on within our own body, in fact I use to dream I would get my period and sure enough when I woke up I got it, and I knew in the dream that I had to wake up and check, lol, sorry but hey, its natural right...

[Sandy]

In response to Blake having a cut lip after a dream fight. I had something like that happen, long time ago, when I nearly kicked out my front tooth in a dream. Yeah, really. I dreamed I was walking up our lane and this little demon jumped out in front of me. Now by then I had stopped believing in demons, so I knew that little fellow couldn't hurt me. And he was only about knee high to me. But he kept jumping around in front of me so that I couldn't walk on and he was blustering and threatening and trying to frighten me. I got tired of it, drew back my foot, and kicked him in the mouth. I felt my toes sink into his mouth like I had kicked into a bowl of mush. He fell over dead, or unconscious, and his mouth was all caved in and I realized he had no teeth. I mean, he was such a helpless little ole demon, I felt really really bad for hurting him that way. Then I woke up and my front tooth was so loose I thought it would fall out. It stayed loose for 2 or 3 days and I worried about it, but it finally tightened up again.

Another time more recently I started waking up in the mornings with red spots, welts, actually, on my arms and shoulders. After 2 or 3 mornings of that, I thought I had bed bugs. I took everything -- everything -- off the bed and washed it all with bleach, I vacuumed under the bed and all the walls around the bed, I cleaned like crazy, and the next morning I had the thingies again. I finally understood that I was causing it by letting some minor thing irritate me. I don't even remember now what it was. But when I understood it and stopped it, my "bed bugs" went away.

[Sandy]

How come it doesn't show that I made a post?

[Gav]

Hi Sandy,

How come it doesn't show that I made a post?

I have noticed this before, I do not really know the reason behind it but I would imagine that it is a bug in proboard - we don’t have access to the code unfortunately so we cannot actually fix it - proborads would have to.

I have found in the past that if a post does not show, that if I click modify, then copy all of my post out of the edit box, then just click the post changes button to bring you back to the board. Delete your post and then add a new one and paste in the text from the clipboard.

The new post, which is identical to the old one, seems to show up as a new post.

Gav