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Post by ~~section8... on Sept 22, 2010 20:44:07 GMT -5
Ok. So I was wondering if any of you had this difficulty. Basically...I have trouble remembering a dream if I TRY to remember it. Does this make sense? Sometimes a facet of my dream with come to mind and disappear and then I will try to remember/think about it again a few seconds later and it's like it disappeared! It's very frustrating! Or sometimes a flash of a dream I had (and forgot) occurs in my mind and then I try to remember it, but I can't. For the record, I do write down several words about the dreams when I wake up to improve recall later. Though, it's funny, sometimes if I wake in the middle of the night and remember something, I think "I should write this down..." and then I start dreaming that I'm writing it down. Lol.
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Sept 23, 2010 6:59:40 GMT -5
hmm, Umm yah that used to happen to me, but I think Ive been doing it so long now that trying is now obsolete ya know, it just always comes and I think thats part of it...just let it come when it wants to, because it will on its own accord . if there is something your sub wants your conscious to know its gonna tell you and make itself known, so maybe try not to try lol
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Post by ~~section8... on Sept 23, 2010 9:52:49 GMT -5
Ok. Nice advice. Try to not try. XD
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Sept 23, 2010 11:31:54 GMT -5
lol, see if it helps and let us know:)
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Sept 23, 2010 11:32:11 GMT -5
oh and the dream study should help you out alot too
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Post by ~~section8... on Sept 23, 2010 12:53:38 GMT -5
Yesss. I think it well. I started recording all of my dreams recently. I want to make it a habit.
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Post by Lena on Sept 25, 2010 12:56:13 GMT -5
Yep, that's why a lot of dream teachers recommend not moving, when you first wake up and let your dreams come back to your mind. Once you start moving your body, it's like you are withdrawing yourself from the dream world. Wish I could follow this advice! I'm usually woken up by a baby, so moving right away. I kind of want to discipline my mind to wake up early, so I can work with my dreams better, while it's quiet. Oh, and if you get back into the same position in bed, that you were having that dream in, it will a lot of times reappear. Remembering dreams is a process, but it's really fun and rewarding.
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Post by ~~section8... on Sept 25, 2010 18:03:55 GMT -5
That's really great advice, Lena. I will try it.
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Post by BenHangen on Sept 25, 2010 23:42:58 GMT -5
I am in a pit lately, can’t remember even having a dream. Usually I will awake many times in the night and remember a dream or at least know that I was having one. Lately it is a real dead zone and even going to sleep is at the edge of that pit. Until recently my going to sleep process was much like remote viewing seeing places, people, and things then hearing sounds and getting lost in it all and going to sleep. Lately it has been lying down, sticking my head in an inky well of blackness laying there finding it hard to fall asleep staring into a void. I’m also finding it hard to get up in the morning. Maybe I’m just over tired. How come when you are asleep and dream that you are awake they call it lucid dreaming and think your marvelous but when awake and have dreams they call it hallucinations and have you committed?
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Post by Lena on Sept 26, 2010 1:40:22 GMT -5
How come when you are asleep and dream that you are awake they call it lucid dreaming and think your marvelous but when awake and have dreams they call it hallucinations and have you committed? lol Ben, actually I think that people, who would have you committed for hallucinations would frown on lucid dreams as well. Robert Moss in Three Only Things talks both about dreams and imagination. He doesn't use the word hallucinations I don't think, which I much prefer to call visions ;D You just gotta hang out with the right crown. New Age people think visions totally rock As for that blackness, I was about to go post about emotional states and how they affect your dreams. I would say for me, I stop remembering dreams, when I don't want to face what they are going to tell me. Always, raising your energy helps, which can be done in a lot of different things, as you are probably well aware. I like yoga.
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Post by ~~section8... on Sept 26, 2010 11:47:57 GMT -5
You make an interesting point, Ben. Though there's a big difference between just having hallucinations and being psychotic. If there's no stress or impairment on daily life, than hallucinations, it's fair to say, are harmless. In shamanistic communities, there is a strong awareness of the difference between Shamans (who have hallucinations/visions) and the actual crazy people (who have hallucinations/visions). It seems you are in a pit. Any life changes bring this about? Lena, your technique worked. I didn't move when I woke up and I was able to remember with clarity, then I moved and I started to forget but I moved back to the original position and remembered again. Thank you thank you thank you!!!!!!
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Post by BenHangen on Sept 27, 2010 22:00:18 GMT -5
New Age people think visions totally rock As for that blackness, I was about to go post about emotional states and how they affect your dreams. I would say for me, I stop remembering dreams, when I don't want to face what they are going to tell me. Always, raising your energy helps, which can be done in a lot of different things, as you are probably well aware. I like yoga. Lena the blackness isn't a negative emotion with me or darkness of thought; it's just a void, a nothingness, a really empty pit. Like Freud once said, “sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.” I do like yoga and try a type of Kundalini yoga and practice a form of Kriya yoga. When I do raise my energy levels there is no way I could sleep. It is almost like someone turned off the power switch and I'm standing there with frayed extension cord in hand wondering what's up. In shamanistic communities, there is a strong awareness of the difference between Shamans (who have hallucinations/visions) and the actual crazy people (who have hallucinations/visions). It seems you are in a pit. Any life changes bring this about? Yeah section8 they jumped me up to between 50 to 60 work hours a week, and I am the only one in the whole place than can do what I do, so I don’t get any breaks. Well lunch and recess breaks, you know what I mean. Also I have been with both types of people the committed and the shamanic. I did a long long tour with hallucinogens in the 60’s and 70’ and 80’s, (almost sounds like a problem there) but I did learn a few things about visions, or was it hallucinations? To me it seems that it would be the surroundings that determine weather it’s a vision/hallucination and the people thereof. My thinking is sort of a twist on the thinking of an old cliché of a prophet having no honor in his own home. Maybe I should put that empty time to a better use and not it just lay there.
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Post by Lena on Sept 27, 2010 23:53:09 GMT -5
I do like yoga and try a type of Kundalini yoga and practice a form of Kriya yoga. When I do raise my energy levels there is no way I could sleep. It is almost like someone turned off the power switch and I'm standing there with frayed extension cord in hand wondering what's up. I'm interested to hear more about Kriya yoga you practice. I have practiced Ananda yoga for a little while, after my interest in it has been sparked by my first yoga DVD, that's called Yoga to Awaken the Chakras. I also started studying Self-Realization Fellowship lessons, but I just started so not sure how I feel about them. I also take yoga classes weekly, and while totally relaxing, they are not nearly as energy stimulating as Ananda is. Lena, your technique worked. I didn't move when I woke up and I was able to remember with clarity, then I moved and I started to forget but I moved back to the original position and remembered again. Thank you thank you thank you!!!!!! Yeehoo! Am I gonna be reading stuff in your dream journal soon then? ;D
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Post by ~~section8... on Sept 28, 2010 13:22:28 GMT -5
Ben: That sounds like a lot of stress. It's hard to focus on yourself when you have that much work. Do you mean that a hallucination is a direct reflection of your immediate surroundings? (E.g. Dancing trees when in the forest.) And visions are more...removed from your immediate surroundings? Lena: For sure! I just need to make a thread in there. I've been keeping track of them on the side though.
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Post by BenHangen on Sept 28, 2010 21:34:40 GMT -5
I'm interested to hear more about Kriya yoga you practice. I have practiced Ananda yoga for a little while, after my interest in it has been sparked by my first yoga DVD, that's called Yoga to Awaken the Chakras. I also started studying Self-Realization Fellowship lessons, but I just started so not sure how I feel about them. I also take yoga classes weekly, and while totally relaxing, they are not nearly as energy stimulating as Ananda is. I had to look that up Lena “Self Realization Fellowship.” What I found is that it is Kriya Yoga. www.self-realization.com/articles/yoga/kriya_yoga.htmKriya Yoga is a complete yoga system first introduced to the West by Paramahansa Yogananda circa 1920. Kriya Yoga refers to actions designed to remove obstructions involving body and mind. Kriya Yoga covers a wide range of techniques, including mantras and meditative techniques for control of the life-force (prana), bringing calmness and control of both body and mind. www.yogananda-srf.org/Self Realization Fellowship. www.greatwesternvehicle.org/kriyas.htmIt seems the consensus on these various translations of the word 'kriya' relate to action that is free of karma or unwholesomeness. In common usage the term however refers to spontaneous movements. If an action is spontaneous, and therefore free of volition, then one could say it is a karma-free action, or an action free of consequences, because it is free of volition. The symptoms of spontaneous shaking and quaking can of course be caused by a number of reasons including an impure lifestyle that involves the consumption of intoxicants, such as drugs and alcohol. They can also be symptomatic of buried or submerged emotions, such as anger or fear, or by repressed sexual desire, as well as by obsessive sexual appetites. It is these obsessions and compulsions that tend to "leak out" when the mind approaches a calm state, such as is acquired through meditation and prayer. How I got started is a longer story and on another thread but the short of it is that it came about by doing Kundalini. They had us doing yoga and grounding exercises in therapy sessions, more or less a group yoga session. Do you mean that a hallucination is a direct reflection of your immediate surroundings? (E.g. Dancing trees when in the forest.) And visions are more...removed from your immediate surroundings? That isn’t what I was trying to say, but yes I do see it that way. What I was getting at is that sometimes it depends on who you are talking with weather it would be hallucination or a vision. And yes I have seen dancing trees, but then I thought that was a vision. They asked me about the serpents in the water as I was going for a midnight swim. Glad I listened to them as there were water moccasins in the water.
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