Understanding Conflict

[michael]

I was bored so I went on the beach and sat down. I started to smoke to bring me inspiration.

I started to think about things and common conflict.

For instance. Why do people fight.

It's the true freedom we have. To be good or bad. That is the freedom.

Why do men act like dicks around girls. Maybe they wont freedom to be in control and not be controlled by woman they don't like.

Why do woman hate being controlled by men.

The reason lady's and gentle men is because they haven't earned their respect.

They would surrender to that control if they have his/her respect.

Then the surrendering was a bad idea because the person takes advantage of the nice guy or gurl. (Sometimes to much)

Because when a person is influencing or controlling a person it gives them their freedom. So what do they do. Do the bad things in life to prove how much freedom they have. Being in control is being in control of freedom.

Michael please define the term control

If we were all equal then their wouldn't be the control factor. Everone would be equally in control and equally control of their freedom.

On the beach a fly keep bothering me. He kept coming back for more because he didn't give a flying f***

No respect. That's the animal instinct.

We should respect mother nature. Because mother nature is good to us.

Not all mother nature.

Because some of the mother nature we don't like.

Insects why do everyone hate insects.

Is it because they are ugly and gross ? Just like negs

If they were cute then we would love them right? Because they looked loved so they are loved.

So we are part of mother nature and mother nature is part of us.

So animals should be treated equally like humans.

Animals are humans and humans are animals.

Physical fighting.

We fight people because they disrespect us or a certain reason we are not in control of so we fight back for freedom.

Or we bottle it up and build up a hate problem.

We fight for respect not to be controlled by disrespect

The fighters fight for their freedom of respect. They don't like being abused verbally or physically so what do they do win their freedom?

Why are people disrespecting others ?

Because they want control over others. That's their freedom.

Now if life is a illusion we are stuck in a illusion and we are lost in illusion.

Kids are always controlled by every action a family member does. But he knows he's truly free when he gets to play.

The angels will think well negs are lost.

The Negs will think well the angels are lost.

Both Party's feel they are free so they are not lost because they believe they are free.

Why would negs be free??? wtf

Free to have power over others. That's their freedom. Their freedom makes them free and not lost.

[Dancing Bear]

Interesting deductions Micheal..

I think the control thingy has to do with our pasts... I may may be wrong in a lot of cases, but through my observations with those around me. The people feel the need to control people and things for many different reasons, One of them is due to something happening to them in the past they had no control, they did no like the experience, so now try to control things areound them to prevent hurt again...

Men who try to control women and visa versa I see them as having no control of themselves and their own life Or the feeling of no control, so therefore try to control everyone around them... a past thing happening again also... Its a power play thing...
i dont like people trying to control me because I like my path and am happily on it... if someone tries to take me off of it I get annoyed, i think that would go with lots of people...


Animals definately need the respect and treatment they deserve, as do most Humans.. They are not inferior..


I think Negatives have got it all wrong, and they dont realise it.. They feel good about themselves controling and manipulating,, ( Warped ) ...... as do some humans...... I dont think their MUMs taught them that its not a good thing to be bully's LOL!!
In our eyes they are lost in theirs they have it all !! But really when it comes down to it DO they have it all? I bet your boots they also know they have lost it , and pretend they havent by denying it !
This is where we are the stronger, because we know they have it wrong...And know they are weak of mind, to feel the need to over power another, havent they got any thing else better to do HUH!! LOL!! They are lunatics coz they beleive they are right....


Humans are animals, dunno bout animals being human though LOL ( but then i am being technical)


DB xx

[michael]

Dancing Bear. If you think about it Animals have the same emotions as humans.

That's why they act the same.

The more bad a person is the more animal like and out of control he is.

The beast within.

Everything needs respect even animals. But the question is which ones will respect us.

So what are we going to do respect criminals for what they do and who they are.

Everybody needs respect right.

Both Parties are Trapped. Heaven and Hell are Both traps. Once you get in you can't get out. Or can you get out???

But They believe they are not trapped because they believe they have chosen the right path.

For example advanced white light spirits cannot travel in all dimensions. So they are limited. But still believe they are free.

It’s just not possible for a white light spirits to go to the lowest dimension. They are vibrating at a higher vibration. Unless they completely change who they are.

In astral physics it's just not possible. Or is it?

The question is if a higher light being stays all the time in highest dimension and never leaves he would forget about the lower dimensions.

That's the problem.

We get lost then we get found. Then we get lost then we get found. The never ending cycle of life.

We forgot about the higher dimensions so we are stuck in the lower. If we forgot about the lower dimensions we are stuck in the higher.

So are we going to brake this trap ? As we are suppose to be free to choose to be free.

Positives react to negatives and negatives react to positive.

When you mix Love with Hate it makes it twisted. So they are truly twisted combinations. That's why negs leave. When the positive kind react to a negative situation it's too twisted for person.

For a man if you love your enemy. Criminal minds. He will think your gay. Gay because your twisted mixing love with hate. He doesn't know love because he only knows hate. He forgets.

For a loving Grandma. She gets too evolved with love. She doesn't know hate because she loves all Everything. But what doesn't she love? The hateful things.

So people 1 love to 2 love
So people 3 love to 1 hate

Out of this I have counted how much loves their is. The total love is 3. The total hate is 1

3 is stronger then 1

Ok lol tell me if im going to far ok.

When you mix the too it makes true suffering until you convert to a certain side.

So would it be a transformation to turn from neg to angel, angel to neg?

It's the biggest transformation. Biggest accomplishment?

Why? Because get to experience both sides. Unless we wont to be trapped forever in you choose heaven or hell. To put it bluntly.

The physical world is the neutral World. We experience love and hate. Or it can be to intense. Why? because the 2 forces mix.

Now you can make up your mind on the rest of the ending if you like.

[Dancing Bear]

michael said:

Dancing Bear. If you think about it Animals have the same emotions as humans.

That's why they act the same.

The more bad a person is the more animal like and out of control he is.

The beast within.

Everything needs respect even animals. But the question is which ones will respect us.

Michael i wasnt disagreeing with you, LOL!! You should know me by now every single animal on this planet has my utmost respect and they all get treated with love from me!!
What i said was I agreed that i see Humans as animals, but not the other way round.. The word Human is just another name for another animal on this planet, like Bear, Lion, dog etc.... Human is just another name for a different species...
I do not think a Bear or a Lion for eg; would give me the same respect if they had their way, i would be a nice meal LOL!! But all the same they still need our help to survive..

So what are we going to do respect criminals for what they do and who they are

They dont get respect for nothing , they need to earn respect.. being a criminal is not earning anything... SO NO!

Everybody needs respect right

Most but not all... I dont respect rapists, murderers, pedophiles etc...

Both Parties are Trapped. Heaven and Hell are Both traps. Once you get in you can't get out. Or can you get out???

Aaah! but this IMHO is where the trap lies, the belief of heaven and hell in the first place....

But They believe they are not trapped because they believe they have chosen the right path.

Yes they may believe they are right, but what idiots to beleive that huh!! This is their weakness!

for example advanced white light spirits cannot travel in all dimensions. So they are limited. But still believe they are free.

Do we know for sure they beleive they are free, i do know my guides who are of this white light, they know they have limitations...

It’s just not possible for a white light spirits to go to the lowest dimension. They are vibrating at a higher vibration. Unless they completely change who they are

If you are of a higher white vibrational level Michael which I believe you will be when the time comes, would you really want to visit the lower realms? it works visa versa also the lower realms cannot visit the higher realms either...

In astral physics it's just not possible. Or is it?

I do not think it is possible... IMHO It is being Human is where we do the changing, so if we start of innocent and spiritual as most of us do as children, then we decide good or bad, thats that, when we finally pass over to the next realm, i believe whatever we chose this lifetime good or bad we stay that, it is only our soul that move on to evolve not our spirit.. Our spirit is who we are today Michael, Dancing Bear etc...

The question is if a higher light being stays all the time in highest dimension and never leaves he would forget about the lower dimensions.

I dont think so, otherwise we would not have guides, gatekeepers guardian angels, etc.. etc... They are there for a reason, for protection.....For protection from what?

That's the problem.

We get lost then we get found. Then we get lost then we get found. The never ending cycle of life

i wwent through this cycle Michael, and it took a long time to stop!! But is has stopped for me, I no longer get lost, i just now have to deal with other things as i have got older..

We forgot about the higher dimensions so we are stuck in the lower. If we forgot about the lower dimensions we are stuck in the higher.

So are we going to brake this trap ? As we are suppose to be free to choose to be free

So are you on thinking that being human is on one of the Lower levels?

Positives react to negatives and negatives react to positive

True but only positive and a positive make positive.. So we need to see what we go through in a lighter way.. It is not what happens to us it is our perception of what happens to us...

When you mix Love with Hate it makes it twisted. So they are truly twisted combinations. That's why negs leave. When the positive kind react to a negative situation it's too twisted for person.

You most definately get a twisted sense of reality hanging onto hate!! this is why most spiritual people are trying to attain Compassion one of the greatest virtues you can attain..
Its like forgiving someone who has done wrong by you, it does not mean that you approve of their actions nor does it mean that you will allow them to enter your life again , to give them another chance to do it again... It means you get peace of mind that you have found the positive in your ordeal, comeout of it stronger and a better person... Fogiving and Loving them from a distance does not mean you approve of them....

For a man if you love your enemy. Criminal minds. He will think your gay. Gay because your twisted mixing love with hate. He doesn't know love because he only knows hate. He forgets

yes they have forgotten, But i personally wouldnt say to the person who has done wrong by me say I love you and forgive you of all your sins.... But you can feel sympathy that they dont know the way and it is a huge shame...But that is their path, this is yours...

For a loving Grandma. She gets too evolved with love. She doesn't know hate because she loves all Everything. But what doesn't she love? The hateful things

SOUnds like you have a wonderful Grandma LOL!! Mine is the same... and they are right,, the opposite to Love is not only hate, the absence of Love is grief, their are many levels of hate as there is Love, you have dislike, which is a form of hate, but not quite the intensity...It is finding the medium that you feel comfortable with... I dislike and I Love...and rarely hate... But when i do I do, it doesnt mean i stop loving the things i have always loved... it doesnt turn anything else into hate... I know if i hang onto this hate it will eat me up, so i find a way to deal with it, and reduce the intensity by reason.. I lived with hate for another for many years, because i am naturally not an agressive person, i turned that hate in on to myself,, I just as intensley Loved nature and animals but hated my self, Why because i hung onto the hate for someone.. I now have forgiven, Love and moved forwards, I now no longer have a self distruct nature and on an even keel, no longer searching for that something missing,, I found her

So people 1 love to 2 love
So people 3 love to 1 hate

Out of this I have counted how much loves their is. The total love is 3. The total hate is 1

3 is stronger then 1

Ok lol tell me if im going to far ok

OK!! LOL You have gone too far LOL!! ;D

When you mix the too it makes true suffering until you convert to a certain side.

i dont know whether it is as black and white thatn that Michael,, for some it is though.. In my world there is always room for a shade of grey,, there is a little saying, "That which does not bend, breaks.."

So would it be a transformation to turn from neg to angel, angel to neg?

It's the biggest transformation. Biggest accomplishment?

Why? Because get to experience both sides. Unless we wont to be trapped forever in you choose heaven or hell. To put it bluntly

I dont know exactley Michael,, I do think we have experiences both sides of the coin not only in past lives but in this one, we all get negative hateful thoughts, we all are faced with choices every single day, it is our choice to be good or not, this our freedom.... I prefer to do what feels right,, As do most people....

The physical world is the neutral World. We experience love and hate. Or it can be to intense. Why? because the 2 forces mix.

Now you can make up your mind on the rest of the ending if you like.

LOL!! I think you are right though the two forces do mix in the physical world and we make our choices here, as to where we go when we passover,, no matter what you beleive.. we all beleive in one and the other, its just what we call it , is what differs....

good having a chat...


DB xxx

[michael]

I will PM you my reply because it might be personal

[sxy]

Hey Michael, I thought you might be interested in this link ,... good thought on the subject of animals and evil....

This means that good and evil reside strictly within the sphere of human influence. There is no good and evil in the world outside of human influence because no known other animals are capable of understanding such an advanced concept as good and evil. A lion eats a gazelle because it is hungry, not because it is evil. Even acts that appear to be evil such as cannibalism, incest, etc. in the animal world cannot be classified as evil because no animal is capable of understanding the concept of good and evil.

forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=5941&st=510


~ S.X.Y.~

[michael]

I can go even deeper into the puzzle. But what's the point if nobody doesn't wants to know???

Why does nobody care to find interest in Understanding Conflict?

Because it's negative discussion and they don't wont to be negative. Therefore they escape all negative situations and don't deal with life.

So they therefore escape by ignoring.

Some of the things you have read in this thread you will no longer agree with. That is perfectly natural and a perfect defence system that will filter us from the nasties. And defending yourself from negative influences example understanding conflict is a form of protection. Therefore you are not bad.

The bad around you that is not you is making you feel bad.

Why is the bad around you making you feel bad?

Because never or sometimes or always, connecting with the bad.

When we debate we confront when we ignore we hide.

To share your point of view about what you think of this discussion. Your helping yourself.

You have the right to be angry. And you are allowed to share your emotions. If needed.

Therefore you have the right to post a negative opinion on this thread if you don't like what you see.

Or you can go spiritual. Go negative first and transform it into positive?

Your choice.

Now understanding the physical dimension will help you understand the other dimensions.

A good study is science in quantum physics of the physical dimension.

To let you know the physical dimensions is a dimension. So that means they have something in common with the other dimensions.

The answer can be right under our noises.

You might think o well physical dimensions cannot manifest just like the astral. Because all dimension is so different? That nothing compares to what the other dimensions await.

If we want to be one with the creator would we be one with all the negative?
What should we do?
You guessed it help. Because the negative is part of god. So we help god.

Hmmm lets take a brake from the world. Lets relax all our lives. And let the whole world relax itself. Since our reality is all about relaxing it means the whole world is relaxing.

Why would we do that? Probably not. The answer because of the balance factor if you have read my famous quote at the bottom of each post I make.

Or we could do that all our lives if we won a million dollars. Lets all win a million dollars and relax.

Not that easy huh?

Wait ! if we did win? Would we do this?

Would we be so relaxed that it will make us sick?

... You are probably condition to balance. Oooh no !! Can't do this to many times otherwise I get sick. As you have already discovered.

Will this illusion of balance brake us free from the physical?

Yes if we believe. Once we get a permanent NDE we will know for sure it's supernatural so why not believe in no balance after this lifetime? So we don't have to be trapped into this place for good.

Why do some believe it's a trap others don't?

The way they were brought up. Plus how powerful their consciousness is that comes into the influencing nature.

Others will disagree.

But we don't believe it's a trap that's why we keep coming back for more eg the past live experiences.

Others will reply...

But It has been such a pleasant experience more pleasanter then the after life.

Heyy I’ve got a good idea? Why don't we all come back here for more???

Others will think ooo god the afterlife is too traumatic because im not use to flouting around and going threw walls. Am I insane? I’m use to the physical world and this is just not me. I’m out of here g2g type reaction.

So what do we do??? brake free

[michael]

Good one Sxy.

Animals don't know any better because they don't know about what you explained.

They live the way genetics made them live.

[michael]

Mmm Sxy and dancing bear lovely postings.

Good job for making a effort

[sxy]

Michael,;





We are all impart knowledge ; that in society we don't get involved in others problems and most of us have learned that more than trouble can come from getting involved in things we can't handle our selves,... I like to help ..! with in reason ,...and I have done my share with enduring harm and financial loss due to helping others ...

Most of us also have broke free from our own troubles and not that we fear them ,..but that we did our time and now faced it and over come the fear ..moving on with our lives to rebuild a life of love and compassion and sharing our dreams .



I get impatient when I see people in fear that don't face there own reality , and don't want help !



... I commend you for asking Michael... It shows me that you are on the road to glory....

Hey ,...and some ,..well most people have had their share ...they ain't going back to that life not even to remember ...LOL... I don't blame them ,..When you truly face fear ,forgive and forget,.. you grow~up and move on ...Thats strength..!

A helping hand is all some of us need and many will be helpless without it ..!

Don't forget compassion when you are ...All ~ ("grow-ed-up") Michael !!! .

There's always more need of help than supply ,... and someone just like you asking ...!





~ S.X.Y.~

[Dancing Bear]

Michael, the thing about Good and evil, we made it up coz we as humans have always had the ability to be over zealous and massively destructive..... to be evil is a big bad thing and you went to hell if you killed someone just coz you didn't like them , That is one of Mans way to keep Idiots under control...It is a Man made concept throughout time.... Animals kill for food, they kill when threatened, either territorial, or life threatening matters... We were once that way.... But as usual this idiotic Species we like to call Human stuffed it all up.... There were and are humans who were and are greedy, power hungry, and just liked Killing for the sake of it, no conscience.... So to stop these thugs from killing you coz you looked at them wrong.. Rules were put into place, the definition of Good and evil was refined categorized and put into place...The Bible was one major movement in our history that outlined and defined good and evil. ( not the first, but one of many ) ....thats why the bible became so popular and rightly so.... We do not want to live continuously in Sodom and Gamorah.... Which is a good thing we dont... coz now the next door neighbor cant come over and slit your throat just coz your music is up too loud...or he wanted your wife...

This originally was the reasoning behind it all,, before then it was nothing to kill someone because you felt they threatened your standing.., or they stood in your way... Indians fought amongst themselves for years before white man came, Aborigine, and the original inhabitants in any country...There will always be differences in opinions, Hate, Greed , etc.. etc.. so therefore there will always be people out there Killing for the sake of it and doing evil destructive deeds to others, it is part of our world.Regardless of the rules put down....Not as many anymore thank goodness...but...It wont go away regardless how much we preach the good books, or the words of wisdom of our ancestors, There will always be D**H**#D's out there that just see it no other way but their own..... not always a good way..

I do not know of any 4 legged animal that will Kill just for the sake of it,
Other than us humans...AND we call ourselves the intelligent ones lOL!!

I am 40 now Michael and i have delt with many Negative things and people in my life and am continually actively fighting for a better world out there, I may not help the entire world but if helps just one or two I feel i have done something... I am not ignorant to what evil there is out there as i don't think many of us are, I do avoid it and try keep my family safe as much as i can,Only because i know what negativity and evil people are capable of,I have been on the receiving end, so know only too well...SO... I would prefer not to deal with that type of person... SO yes I do avoid it,, Goes for majority of people out there, We are surrounded by potential Evil all the time, and it is sad...but thats the way of the world, I do not condone it but it is a fact.....
So i have built a world for myself that is as positive and full of light as possible, and i like to keep it that way,, It does not mean i am ignorant and avoid all of what is going on out there...I dont..I deal with it evertime i step outside my front door..
Our personal world is what me make it.. I have made mine... And if someone negative or threatening enters my private space they are dealt with, if anger, hate comes into it ...it does... if that is what it takes to get rid of the person upsetting it all... I have got rid of many negative energy zappers in my life, i have got rid of evil in my life... I have lived amongst the lower levels, i did not like it at all and discovered, I am in control , so i took control...It took me a lot of years to achieve my world and the challenge now is to keep it..
(I do accept there are some things beyond our control But i feel i am equiped, hopefully to deal with it)

Others may have had a different journey and disagree with some of what i say , but thats cool... I disagree with hubby at times and he me...so i am used to having opposition LOL!! It is healthy and helps me learn....
I am not God like, I am Human Like..and very much Animal like if the need arises..


I don't think most are like animals at all anymore, we as a species have abused our intelligence and our Power we have to manipulate and build..We as a species as a whole have pretty much failed our Mother earth and her inhabitants including each other, The Natives may have been animal like and a bit barbaric, but they had it right when they lived as one with he earth.....

Now to look on the upside!! We as Humans have done wonders as far as medicine and technology ..Look at computers, a god send....we have learnt so much... Yes we need to re-evaluate our methods of production, to become more environmental, and planet conscious, we need to think of others (animals, children and the less fortunate who don't have a meal everyday) I am sure i have missed out quite a few..

We can be a selfish species, and it is the sensitive spiritual individuals out there trying to make people aware of how we humans have evolved and how we need to change., so if we don't want to concentrate souly on the negatives in life, its not because we dont want to confront it, we are well aware of it... the purpose of my mission of learning and being spiritual is to educate the masses....if i can....I need to keep as positive as possible, otherwise i would be a depressed miserable heap thinking of all the crap out there..... as a few people are i know are, because they concentrate on the negative much too much....

I agree that most are no better than Neanderthals.. and many many idiotic, ignorant people out there... it is an everyday thing we have to confront it.. it doesn't get any better no matter how long you live and how much you learn.. them people will always be there Our history is proof...


I have probably gone off track here...

But anyway theres my take...

[Lady_Butterfly]

Sometimes I want to find interest in understanding conflict, but after a while I realize it doesn't get me anywhere. The problem that I have, is that I want to see the logic in EVERYTHING, other than accepting things for what they are (especially the negative people I'm around) and just move on with my life. Yeah, it's easy to ignore the negative things, but I think some people have a deeper need to find out why things happen the way they happen. Yes, and I also agree that there are many idiotic ignorant people out there, and it irks the crap out of me at times, but by it irking me, I guess I'm being a negative too! Turning a negative into a positive is hard to do at times, so maybe that's why everyone is so darn angry because they bottle everything up inside, and waiting to explode. And SXY, I totally agree with you, "When you truly face fear, forgive, and forget, you grow up and move on...." Personally speaking, I've always felt that forgiveness is one of the hardest things! Whew! Well now, I had to join your discussion, seeing how interesting it was, and at least add my two cents! LOL! Peace Out!!!!

[michael]

I will let the comments flow as they are suppose too. and if they keep flowing it's the way it's suppose to be.

I will no longer interfer in this thread because the flow is right.