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Post by mandala on May 23, 2006 19:05:51 GMT -5
What are your thoughts on scientology ? I think it was started by a science fiction writer who found a very clever way to make millions of dollars and have power and control. I think scientology is a cult that's all about money, power, and control. You can't be poor and be a full fledged scientologist. www.xenu.net/
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Post by Eagle on May 23, 2006 19:45:23 GMT -5
El Ron Hubbard. Like most religons, 'You can't be poor and be a full fledged'. Metallica said it best ' send me money, send me green, heaven you will meet, make a contribution and you'll get a better seat'. Religon is a form of control and religon is a belief, I say 'If one is going to believe in anything believe in yourself '. which goes with my other saying ' The best investment one can make is in yourself. ' keep smiling, Eagle
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Post by nani on May 28, 2006 17:12:15 GMT -5
I dont like Scientology, to me it seems to be a kind of brain-wash, as far as I know or from what I`ve heard. I agree that our own selfs, our subconsciousness or lets say our Higher Self knows best what when why where how to do. Or like the daoists say: just follow the flow, anywhere is your master, or something giving you a message, a hint or a sign. And of course in our dreams we do receive all. Im no clairvoyant or anything, I can not see auras and such, but my dreams often do show me things coming up, but its shown and transmitted wrapped in symbols, so that often first afterwards I know, god oh yes that was it, it was shown to me and now its here. Else in dreams I do fly a lot, in past got initiations by younger woman (I believe my HS) or by older man, several times got shown and explained things which of I dont remember a single detail, but on a subtle level though yes, and finally I know it was not important to understand it intellectually. Since Im at the dream- and obe forums (4 years) my dreams and experiences have become much more intense and much more easy for me to differenciate. Lots of dream-obe-mix-thingees and more and more experiences arising out from dreams which do lead into this reality or how to say, diminishing the border between dream and "reality", increasing the energy of the subtle body. But okay lately Im working a lot on the zone between sleep and awake to progress on obes. Though still Im a realist hehe :-) Hey I wanted to reply shortly only lol, but I guess thats finally a real huge question. And hey Eagle, if music is your philosophy then do you dream of music or are you making music? I`ve heard some people, I think it was existenceisadream, tell that they write music in their dreams, I never did that, but I think its something very great. love_awareness, Nani
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Post by existenceisadream on May 29, 2006 2:52:33 GMT -5
All this bad talk about scientology. That's it. I'm quiting the forum! You guys just don't know when to quit do you! Now don't go cutting and pasting my posts to make them read things that I didn't actually write! ;D
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Post by existenceisadream on May 29, 2006 3:03:50 GMT -5
Hey Nani, This is great that you're working more with this zone between sleep and awake. I feel that it is a key area to be worked on that will lead to much better control of awareness into dreaming or OBE'ing. I too have been working with this area much more making it an everynight thing using different techniques to see what results I get and have been having alot of dream/OBE mixes as well lots of Ld's that have been getting really intense. It's good to hear that you are progressing on.
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Post by Dancing Bear on May 29, 2006 6:16:52 GMT -5
OOO , OOO I just remembered I also Float and levitate in my dreams, I glide around sometimes instead of walking. And can levitate to whatever height and move around quite gracefully , I dont know that I am OBEing when i do this. I'll be back when I remember more
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Post by Eagle on May 29, 2006 11:38:20 GMT -5
[/quote] And hey Eagle, if music is your philosophy then do you dream of music or are you making music? Yes, yes, yes, mostly percussion (Durms, as thats my instrument), all the time, especially playing, I do write some things down out of my dreams, but some of the details fade as I'm remembering/writting, i use to have a recorder, pen and paper next to my bed for my musical dreams but that tends to wake the better half up, so it's not to practical. Playing is the best, just like in real life, once I'm in that zone, I just float, communicating to the other instruments (players), it's a magnificant feeling. I find that if there's music playing in the back ground I 'd play it in my dreams, so every now and then when I want to play a song I like, I play it in the back ground, not as much lately as I've got 3 younguns and I work a lot, sometimes odd hrs as I'm on call. I also write, but then after awhile my lyrics go off to other subjects and I get lost (free fall writting i call it). I have recorded around 22 songs in a studio but it's not completed to comercial quality as the singer got the sack for having rock star syndrome, shame that, so after that I've played little and you could say I'm in semi retirement when it comes to music (for the moment). Kids want to play, I will teach them, but their hunger for it needs to be more than have a bash and go, as thats what they do for now, which is still good. I've said to myself that I would take up lyric writting classes to fine tune my abilities, but one thing leads to another. Quote - The best investment one can make is in yourself. ' and I'm still doing that, improving my skills and my talant, skills pay more so that has priority, but nowhere near the fun I have with my talants. I'd love to have a music room/recording studio, but then again I'd never get out, maybe another time. Keep Smiling Eagle
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Post by nani on May 29, 2006 17:19:21 GMT -5
Wow percussion and drums, great instruments, magic and best for trance. So cool you can carry music-inspirations of your dreams into this zone. And as I`ve read you can write great poems too. I must say that though Im never sure if I understand any poems in english really well enough, yours does sound deep and a sort of social-critical, or do I get that totally wrong? And wow you got 22 songs recorded yet, hey what you mean by commercial quality? We all just have to show us and exchange our stuff and thats it what makes the things keep on groovin and encouraging each other, but though I can understand that there are other things, great and lovely things like family, which deserve all energy and input for certain periods. I have no kids but very sure Im interested in many more things than music, its just a wonderful soul-language. My nice and nephew 12+8 also just started piano and drums, wow I love it to listen to, anyways if they ever do make more out of it or not, just the moment counts. When you funnily say that you`re in a semi-retirement then I can say Im at least in a quarter retirement since 2000 lol, cause I do need more and more peace, though I love to do sessions with all kind of people and styles always, these are the magic moments which never can be recorded. Oh and when Im more old and more peaceful then I would love to do sculptures and such. Smile. :-)
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Post by nani on May 29, 2006 17:45:49 GMT -5
thank you existenceisadream, "It's good to hear that you are progressing on." I dont know if you had read that I had one great space-obe again recently, and since that Im absolutely adicted again lol. So of course I do all that zone work with the intension to get to obeing again, but I found out that it really does a lot by itself too, its really worth doing the zone-work cause it has a kind of lasting influence on my energy-body, feels a bit confusing physically at times during the day though lol, but its like the cells open up in general, or something like I can cause the vibrations fully awake, thats very interesting to play with. Before sleep Im often in the void and in spaces I didnt know before and I do learn to extend my time in this time between awake and sleep. Im excited about whereto it will bring me. Maybe soon I will tell and also ask you and others to exchange about those "new rooms" I could discover. Very great to see you more here again. Oh and I really had to read your first reply over and over till I understood that you`re just joking. You did, no!?! hmlol
Dancing Bear, thats interesting. So do you believe, like some do, that we are anyways obeing at nights even if we are not aware of an exit or entry?
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Post by Eagle on May 29, 2006 18:22:07 GMT -5
Nani - Commercial quality is recordings without or minimum mistakes, My recording with a 5 piece band has some minor glitches e.g. lead guitarists fret board needed maintenance, and it was freezing which restricts finger movements with all players, plus, what does one do when your paying alot of money for studio time. We still recorded live. Have not posted any poems/lyrics, I think Animal or Sxy does that. I like yourself love playing all kinds of different music and instruments. I Studied Jazz/Blues and Latin music for years, but mostly play rock/metal, power ballads, I played in town bands, my own bands, other peoples bands, but when it came to going to the next step (professional) other members quit. what instrument do you and your partner play ? Good to here from you DB Eagle
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Post by nani on May 30, 2006 12:34:41 GMT -5
Warning for the others: its about music only LOL But first, hey now Im confused, whats about that "illegal immigrants" poem? I got it totally wrong? Ah about the recording-conditions I do understand now what ya mean. And so, of what I`ve now heard you are much more professional musician than me, sounds cool. I never did study anything of music, even dont know notes, just do write songs by ear or feel or what. Me and my partner mainly are guitarists, but since some years he got quite advanced in doing drum-programmings and all that special effect sound stuff, he`s working as sound-engineer prof. too. I mainly did the (writing on) guitar in our old project taste&try which is a.k.o. latin-jazz-pop we did since 88. So sessions and latin-jazz-pop songs I still do write and play on guitar, but our Dao-stuff is basically all made by keyboards which we both do play enough to create the songs. I love to do percussion kongas/djembe since ever, but only basic grooves, but these I can play for hours - and in the right timing lol, but mainly I do it for trance or sessions only. I record bass from time to time, but as my b-friend Robert is a professional - an animal on bass if you know what I mean lol - we ask him to play on some of our songs, and we feel honoured if he does so ;-). All wind- and asian instruments on Dao are played life by professional friends. About vocals, Im doing mostly the western-like-vox, but we love to have and put also real exotic asian vox. So I guess we now got very OFF Topic here, Im sorry for the ones who get bored by such special-talk - so please everybody just continue with the theme. But though, great exchanging with you about that. la Nani
PS: of course I would like to know and exchange more about details of your way of making music, but maybe we should open another thread, or copy and pass our last posts into there and delete them here, what ya think? Then this great dream-thread here can develop further better.
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Post by existenceisadream on May 31, 2006 2:08:15 GMT -5
Hey Nani I'm happy to hear that you're progressing as well. That's great about your OBE along with all your other experiences. It's true though. The more you progress the more you want to keep going cause you can only get better and better at it. I feel I must take a break from dream forums every once and awhile and just focus on the action of practicing everyday to increase awareness levels and to not go online to talk about dreaming and what not so I can free up more time for action. Now though I feel like I've been able to manage my time well enough to where I feel I can participate here again. I've been having some great experiences especially in the LD world but I just don't have desire to post about much of it. Though I'm getting better and better and can remain lucid for very long periods of time and gaining better control of my awareness levels I feel that I still have much to learn and achieve. Yea it was a joke. It's from the cartoon called "South Park" where they did an episode in which they made fun of Scientology and one of the characters from the show quit because he's a scientologist. Later the cartoon made an episode about this character who quit and basically took past cartoons and cut and pasted his words onto a new cartoon making him say all kinds of messed up stuff. haha
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Post by crazycat on May 31, 2006 2:16:22 GMT -5
Hehe! I was wondering what that post was about, but figured it was a joke thing because of the ;D but did not understand it.
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Post by Eagle on May 31, 2006 6:13:37 GMT -5
Sorry Bezjak I didn't reply sooner, What you can do is, Wooo F#@$ing fantastic, how do you fold ? How do you transport ? what are your techniques ?. I can see atoms and move a little within them, but not neutrons, protons, electrons or the even the rest of the 200 or so hadrons for that matter, Ooooo, with Quasars,(not Quarks) I am getting closer ! I can do the warp thing but not very often. But transporting from A to B would save a lot of time What you can do is awesome ! I do feel aliens near by sometimes but for some reason I hide ? ;D Presences I do feel and have the ability to communicate with them (mental telepathy I guess). And I do get glimpses of the future (mine), thats when I get the dejar~vu thing happening, not as often as I use to though, which is a bummer. Eagle
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Post by dman on Jun 1, 2006 16:14:46 GMT -5
I think my favorite thing to do is walking. Yeah, I like to walk. I call it walking with power, walking with the birds, or the clouds, the storms, the wind, the rain. Yeah, I like to walk. I like to walk with my body, and not my mind. To flow, and be in harmony with the dream.
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Post by osiris on Jun 1, 2006 17:06:35 GMT -5
If you can see those things use them for healing. Photons are actually what we are made of (points of light) you can manipulate them and awaken dna once you can see those things. i know what you mean existance i take short breaks just to study books and practice with aura work and kundalini quite often. Actually a few times a month. Im quite a bit further along with just about everything ive done except the obe. Animal you are going to be so happy if you ever go on a sojourn...
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Post by dman on Jun 1, 2006 17:26:03 GMT -5
A sojourn eh? hmm I feel like I am on one now, a temporary stay. Yeah. Atleast if thats what you mean.
Actually I am about to pack up, and head for a journey, around...well.. hehe around the dream.
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Post by osiris on Jun 1, 2006 19:33:27 GMT -5
Some day friend we will meet. Im sure by the latest 2007. Thats longer than i want but i try to be realistic about things. Have fun on your journey too. at some point im going to take you to the pyramids to meditate also...
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Post by dman on Jun 2, 2006 2:24:22 GMT -5
Oh dude my kundalini is going all crraaaazzzzyyy today! But anyways, yuppers, we will most definately meet! Atleast I do plan on it, weeell, as much as I plan that is! The pyramids sound awesome, and I have heard some good things lately about them, so thad be sool. hmm ya really think I'm crazy, doh I mean insane, I always thought'a meselfs as the only sane one. Yeah, I know it!
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Post by osiris on Jun 2, 2006 15:20:45 GMT -5
Is that a heavy energy your getting up your spine today bro? I have a pretty cool technique for spreading out that energy. It can almost hurt at times. Hmm ill put it on the kundalini thread so as not to change this one to much. Sorry i dont have much here my dreams are still escapeing me. I dont remember them much and ive been neglecting to write what little i have remembered.
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