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Post by osiris on Dec 20, 2006 21:49:02 GMT -5
The aetheric body. (i need ben to show me how to type the AE correctly). In my findings seems to be a more "physical" part of us in one obe study i was instructed to blow or gently exhaust my etheric body through my third chakra. As you do this you create what i call a watcher. This watcher can be hard to work with because as you use it more and more it gets sort of an ego of its own. Its always important to recall this aetheric energy. The Etheric Body
by S.G.J. Ouseley
"The physical body -- the temple of flesh in which the spirit of man dwells for a time -- consists of two parts: 1() a visible part and (2) an invisible part.
To occult students the first part is known as the dense or corporeal body and the second part is termed the etheric double or the vital-body. They are correctly classed together as they both function on the physical plane, are both composed of physical matter and are cast off by the human spirit at death and disintegrate together.
These dual principles of the physical nature both belong to the lower or physical plane by their composition and cannot pass outside it -- the life-force consciousness working in them through the Red and Orange Rays is bound within their spiritual limitations and is subject to the ordinary laws of space and time. The Etheric body is the real source of all physical vitality -- the absorber of the vital fluid of life called prana or solar energy. The twin principles are rarely separated during earthly life, but separation does occur when certain drugs and anaesthetics are administered." p. 31
"We saw in the previous chapter that the physical world is composed of substances vibrating with certain fixed limits to which we give the name 'matter.'
We know that matter which appears so solid is really not solid at all. A piece of wood or a piece of glass are made up of an immense number of electrons in vibration, revolving round a central point known as a proton. Matter consists of atoms and these atoms are in turn composed of electrons and protons which are held together by electro-magnetic forces. Thus matter is built up of minute electric charges, positive and negative, not moving at random, but freely and orderly, connected together by the invisible universal elements called the ether.
The ether is an omnipresent cosmic substance filling all space and is the vehicle or medium by which all physical-etheric forces contact the earth and ourselves.
The vibrations of the ether are many and varied. One form of etheric undulation or wave-motion gives us the phenomenon we call light -- other forms give us heat, colour, electricity, ectoplasm, etc.
This marvellous substance is perpetually conveying across empty space the cosmic energy which enables us to live and think.
The ether is never at rest, it is ever in movement -- it cannot be seen or felt by the physical senses, yet if it were non-existent one would be blind and cold as there would be no medium to carry the waves of light and sound, warmth and colour. Matter itself is basically etheric. The electrons in the atoms are particles of negative electricity and the protons are considered by science as electric in their motive. Both are etheric and matter is thus only ether in a particular state of vibration.
The ether is the great connecting link between the physical senses and the higher cosmic forces. It is obvious that our physical senses only respond to a very limited range of vibrations, that outside these there is a universe full of life and thought which responds to a higher range of vibrations, unreal to us but more real to it that physical matter. Our ordinary senses -- our range of sight, touch, perception, smell, hearing -- are limited to the last degree. This fact is clearly illustrated by the scientific instrument known as the spectroscope which analyses light into its seven component parts. Our physical eyes perceive only an infinitesimal part of the vibrations of colour -- the visible vibrations as compared with the invisible are much less an inch compared to a mile. It is evident that there is a vast region of force and activity beyond our normal sense perceptions. Until we realize that our ordinary senses respond to a very limited range of vibrations and that outside there is a vast universe of life and activity, we cannot hope to unfold and develop our inner perception.
The etheric forces influence physical life in a variety of ways. They are creative and formative, ensouling matter with life, vitality, form, and power -- the ether is the transmitter of the essential life-forces. Furthermore, this cosmic organizing force is susceptible to control by Mind and Will -- mind controls life and life controls matter.
Just as the physical world is surrounded and influenced by the ether, so also is man. The etheric forces are gathered and concentrated in man and form what is called the Etheric Body or double, which surrounds and interpenetrates the physical body and is an exact copy or duplicate of it, organ for organ and cell for cell.
The Etheric, or vital body, as it is also called, extends beyond the periphery of the dense body as the etheric region extends beyond the dense part of the planet.
The distance of this extension of the etheric body is about an inch and a half, and it is visible to clairvoyants as a luminous outline of a pale golden colour.
The etheric body plays a very important part in our life, health and the development of occult powers." p. 37
Ok thats how i view the etheric body until i learn more. Ill post up when i find where i read about work with the watcher.
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Post by bezjak on Dec 20, 2006 21:57:39 GMT -5
Ill b back....here later.
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Dec 23, 2006 9:00:43 GMT -5
in my expereinces with obes/dreams altered states of awareness..I have realized one thing..we have one body..physical..the rest is purely the mind..pysical is the illusion,, mind/thought is real..meaning we create duplicates of our bodies because we feel we have to..we are simply connected to the body so much so that we feel we can not be without it..however to me this is not true..our body is purely physical..in my experiences I have found that what we create is real..everything in these altered states perhaps even our duplicated bodies.however I have never seen my astral body , usually i see a blur when I look into mirrors while in obe or high lucid dreams..but for some reason I dont look down to see my body ever..I do feel it connected to me still but I think its odd how I rarely expereince these other forms of the body..I honestly think it is pure illusion and natural instinct to recreate my form in these states..but it is becoming more obsolete the more i gain awareness..the more i realize that the mind is what consumes all..I have said this before in posts that body is only relevant here in physical..the more we realize it is not needed in altered states, the more we can detach and expand in consciousness. "my body is in my soul"
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Post by nani on Dec 23, 2006 11:03:22 GMT -5
tough and wonderful statement Ronni! Great to see and inspiring to hear ya again :-) "my body is in my soul" - and this is just so magnifical and true.
Nevertheless I feel like I probably can resolve some of my obe-probs, by the recognition of this etheric-thingy, wether its an invention of mind only or indeed a certain independant subtle creation. I`ll see. lovejoy, Nani
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Post by BenHangen on Dec 23, 2006 16:52:31 GMT -5
Ronnie I love the way you think or feel about the soul. But and a big but, what does the body represent? Why is it in the formation that it is, it isn’t just something that came along in the last 12million years you know. The body is a collection of minerals worth about $7.50 and without the H2O only weighs a couple of pounds. Like most you have the view that we are young and at the beginning of the voyage, going on to higher planes, while I have a differing viewpoint. One that says we are the accumulation of all that is, the pentacle of existence, the quintessence or fifth element.
If you can understand my viewpoint you would realize that I accept both as being true. That time goes in both directions in this universe. It’s like the idea of these ancient Atlantians came back from the 11th dimension so to speak. As for not being able to see your body, maybe it is because of a lower power point and less focused. The more power one has the more clearness of mind or formation of the body you will have. Roni in no way am I implying you or anyone else is lacking in this ability, actually at times I’m not too bright either, it’s only a matter of intent.
Osiris use the character map in windows to make the Æther and add it to Word.
Seems like there is a difference of opinion on the Ætheric body and how many bodies there are. Nani you are studying that there are 5, which I understand. They are the 5 bodies of the quintessence or 5 elements; this embodies the magic that I have learned. Then there are the 7 bodies of the kundalini, the structure of vibration and power of which I have also learned of that magic. Which comes down to the 4 elements and the 3 physical states of matter and both relate to the dodecahedron.
The yen/yang, male/female, the left brain/right brain, which is the right thing to learn? Here is my opinion on the Ætheric Body:
Akash From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Akash or Aakash or Aakaash is a first name in India, derived from the Hindi/Sanskrit term "Akasha", meaning "upper sky" or "aether" Aakash is quite a common name in India. The word "Akash" has its roots deeply embeded in Hindu Philosophy. As per the philosophy, there are 5 basic elements that the human body comprises of. They are - Water(Jal), Earth(Thul), Fire(Agni), Wind(Vaayu) and finally Space(Akash). Space or Akash is also known as Ether or aether as mentioned above. It is that element that is not seen, felt, smelt, tasted or even heard. It is the element of our higher perceptional senses. It is the element of our astral selves. Akash is the 5th element. Apart from that, it is also a quite common name in India.
Aether (classical element) From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Classical Elements
Western Air Fire Aether Water Earth
Chinese
Wood (?) | Fire (?) Earth (?) | Metal (?) | Water (?)
Hinduism and Buddhism
Vayu / Pavan — Air / Wind Agni / Tejas — Fire Akasha — Aether Prithvi / Bhumi — Earth Ap / Jala — Water
Aether (also spelled ether) is a concept used in ancient and medieval science as a substance. The aether was believed to be the substance which filled the region of the universe above the terrestrial sphere. Aristotle included it as a fifth element distinct from the other four, Earth, Water, Air, and Fire. Aether was also called Quintessence (from quinta essentia, "fifth element"). Its Platonic solid was the Dodecahedron.
Fifth element
Aristotle added aether to the system of the classical elements of Ionic philosophy as the "fifth element" (the quintessence), on the principle that the four terrestrial elements were subject to change and moved naturally in straight lines while no change had been observed in the celestial regions and the heavenly bodies moved in circles. In Aristotle's system aether had no qualities (was neither hot, cold, wet, nor dry), was incapable of change (with the exception of change of place), and by its nature moved in circles.[2] Medieval scholastic philosophers granted aether changes of density, in which the bodies of the planets were considered to be denser than the medium which filled the rest of the universe.[3] Robert Fludd stated that the aether was of the character that it was "subtler than light". Fludd cites the 3rd century view of Plotinus, concerning the aether as penetrative and non-material.[4]
In Wicca, it is the unifying energy inherent in every living creature on the planet, and in all four elements (earth, air, water, and fire) in nature: [[[5] Essentially it is spirit: and soul, the all-encompassing spirit energy of the Goddess and God. On the pentagram, akasha is assigned to the fifth top point, and the "other" element.[6]
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Post by michael on Dec 23, 2006 21:47:49 GMT -5
Life is a illusion what's the point of getting grounded
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Post by michael on Dec 23, 2006 21:55:20 GMT -5
Here's the answer Quite simple too... If you get grounded to illusion you are grounded to a illusion
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Post by Dancing Bear on Dec 23, 2006 23:57:49 GMT -5
Here's the answer Quite simple too... If you get grounded to illusion you are grounded to a illusion LOL! Michael,, YEP !!! I dont mind being grounded in my illusion, I love my illusion, IMHO ,To me an illusion is not there, it is the trick of the mind, . I realise in OBE , Lucid ,majority of your dreams, and meditation, You do not see your body you are just a thought pattern, energy..but maybe that is the illusion.. Lilacsky.. I do disagree with " My body Is my Soul" ( i agree to the rest of your statement though) for me that is saying once my body dies, my souls dies too! I see Mind (spirit), Body and Soul all completely seperate... I agree we as physical beings whether we are OBEing or not are only receptive to a certain level of vibrations( Aetheric energy). We are of a lower vibration( the fact we have got a body has something to do with it) , even in OBe and Lucid and even normal dreams, and meditation , our senses may be heightened and we are receptive to a few higher levels but we still are only sensative to a certain level of vibrational energy .........until we become pure energy and that for me only happens in death.... We as human and attached to a human body, regardless of our knowledge, will always only be able to be receptive to a certain amount of Aetheric Energy... Some i do admit have gone futher than normal, but there is always is a limit.... Just my two penny's worth! I agree with a lot of this and it is a fasinating thread and enjoyed reading all of your views.,
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Post by BenHangen on Dec 24, 2006 2:09:36 GMT -5
DB that is a great way of putting it, maybe I should get you to proofread my statements before I post them.
Maybe that is why we keep being incarnated into this world, to acquire an immortal soul. Is it that our spirit and essence is in great need of the soul and until we make our soul immortal we return and try again and again we find the right harmony that creates a higher octave for the soul in which to ascend. Can anyone say what the sole is with authority? The body is just the shell in which the soul grows, it’s the fire within, and if the union of spirit and elements are right an eternal flame is born.
I believe that to have this immortal soul you have to have transmitted the body into energy, such is the way of the Phoenix. These are the legends of spontaneous human combustion, and if I cannot do this on dying I have another life to live. The idea of seeing your astral body or soul in OBE is the idea of having a soul or golden shadow. Through the act of pure will all bodies fuse into one being of energy.
I know I’m not explaining myself properly so I hope I get feed back on this.
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Dec 24, 2006 9:00:03 GMT -5
For me , I know what I have experienced..I never try to say anyone is wrong, nor disagree with them because really I cant..I have learned that each ones reality is unique and differant..who am I to say someone is wrong for how they experience things..for that no one can claim what is true for everyone..only oneself so Im simply stating my truth here... what I experience is special and unique and I like it that way..hehehe however im still learning..always learning.. I enjoy reading everyone's unique experiences IMO...
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Post by BenHangen on Dec 24, 2006 12:47:41 GMT -5
Hey LindaLove (and Ben), that is very interesting, I also would love to hear and know (again-cause my brain is a sieve lol) how those different "body"-layers do refere to each other. And also how they refere to different experiences on the astral plane, or better said while obeing. I guess there are kind of planes for each subtle body, so if we reach somewhere while Obe, then I guess that the most active subtle body does lead us to "his" plane.. hm.. a bit complicated expressed. I mean I just could assume that where we arrive - after we had seperated - is mirroring also the appropriate subtle body which is most active at time of departure. Or Im on a totallly wrong track here with my untamed thoughts lol. Nani I am surprised that you don’t already know the answer to this, as you are a magician excuse me typo musician. Musician/magician what’s the difference? Try relating all of this to music, 7 bodies 7 notes in a scale. You know Every Golden Body Does Fly, and Find All Challenges Exciting. I think of an OBE as just being in a different Octave.
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Post by crazycat on Dec 24, 2006 16:40:22 GMT -5
Musician/magician what’s the difference? Try relating all of this to music, 7 bodies 7 notes in a scale. You know Every Golden Body Does Fly, and Find All Challenges Exciting. I think of an OBE as just being in a different Octave. I don't claim to be a musician nor magician...only a little dabbler..Hehe! I just wanted to say Ben, that is a nifty way of looking at it.
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Post by nani on Dec 24, 2006 18:43:20 GMT -5
Ben and all friends, hey I really did enjoy to get to know all your opinions and also some of the sources your opinions and perceptions are built on. Thats all greatly inspiring, though I got a bit confused by the amount- but only cause I was following a certain theory. And that is - to tell the truth - that I at times do assume that I may have done some seriously harm to my etheric-body in the past, which was the abuse of drugs and alcohol. I do assume that, cause I definitely did have lots experiences of very intense and spiritual kind, but frequently Im lacking this what I would call the appropriate "store-capacity", that what Michael was talking about, that what R. Bruce is talking about. Though Im not sure about that yet, and the more Im not sure about what would be the right thing to do about it, as Im yet living a quite healthy life since more than 6 years. Okay Im still smoking cigarettes and it doesnt look like I would or could stop, so maybe that does limit me too on top.
But Ben hey that was wonderful said of you. You are right we`re just vibrating on different octaves in all these bodies. That is a beautiful feel-picture! A great visualisation or better said "soundualisation" to focus on for obeing, I`ll do that soon! Thank you :-)
Dancing Bear: Guess that was a little misunderstanding; cause Ronni did say: "my body is IN my soul" (otherwise I would have disagreed too) she did not write .. my body IS my soul, that makes a totally big difference. Thats also the view of Advaita Vedanta, a very wide view, means that we with all we are and got truly are IN god, in the play, in this universe, means never anything is happening in our body, but our body is within the whole. I love that viewfeel.
ohey friends whish all of you some wonderful days of relaxation and joy, Nani
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Post by Dancing Bear on Dec 24, 2006 22:43:50 GMT -5
Dancing Bear: Guess that was a little misunderstanding; cause Ronni did say: "my body is IN my soul" (otherwise I would have disagreed too) she did not write .. my body IS my soul, that makes a totally big difference. Thats also the view of Advaita Vedanta, a very wide view, means that we with all we are and got truly are IN god, in the play, in this universe, means never anything is happening in our body, but our body is within the whole. I love that viewfeel. ohey friends whish all of you some wonderful days of relaxation and joy, Nani I guess there was a misunderstanding and i appologise, and it does make a huge difference.. but i still unsure whether i agree, but that is my IMHO.. Dancing Bear xxx
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Post by Dancing Bear on Dec 24, 2006 22:52:09 GMT -5
DB that is a great way of putting it, maybe I should get you to proofread my statements before I post them. Maybe that is why we keep being incarnated into this world, to acquire an immortal soul. Is it that our spirit and essence is in great need of the soul and until we make our soul immortal we return and try again and again we find the right harmony that creates a higher octave for the soul in which to ascend. Can anyone say what the sole is with authority? The body is just the shell in which the soul grows, it’s the fire within, and if the union of spirit and elements are right an eternal flame is born. I believe that to have this immortal soul you have to have transmitted the body into energy, such is the way of the Phoenix. These are the legends of spontaneous human combustion, and if I cannot do this on dying I have another life to live. The idea of seeing your astral body or soul in OBE is the idea of having a soul or golden shadow. Through the act of pure will all bodies fuse into one being of energy. I know I’m not explaining myself properly so I hope I get feed back on this. I can see what you are trying to say here Benhangen....I was going to say our Soul is Immortal anyway, but i would have to disagree with myself there LOL!! With my experience of the spirit world, and through friends who have been dealing with it for many years, my understanding of it all, is the normal spiritual person, eg....say on the path we are ....Our soul would keep evolving until enlightened enough to no longer Need to reincarnate...but would only come back if it chose to... it would being at one with God literally on a spiritual sense......... But when you get those who work on the lowest vibration nad continue to come back and conitinue to workl on the lowest vibration and choose not to evolve, that Soul is a dud!!( in human terms) and does not get the chance to keep evolving in human form, but goes elsewhere, Where that is i have not figured out just yet... Thats my take on it anyway!! I would not know of the human combustion thingy, i really havent thought about it that way, i just seeour soul not coming back in human form once it has reached its goal,, But i will never know until i get ther huh!! LOL!! I do like you take on the vibrational levels, in Music terms , well done!!!
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Post by nani on Dec 25, 2006 7:10:12 GMT -5
DB, ohey but I didnt want to play the all-better-knowing-teacher LOL, who knows what Ronni in fact did REALLY mean finally hahahahahahhh, she will tell us later I guess. "...i just seeour soul not coming back in human form once it has reached its goal,, But i will never know until i get ther huh!! LOL!!" I do believe the same, finally we`re free to choose to get back to earth or not - at least from a certain point of spiritual maturity on... heheheh... who knows when that is lol.. and of course I unfortunately have to agree to your second sentence too, what a pity we can not just know anything for sure, we little earthy-worms LOOOL, lovejoy to you Dancing Bear and all soul-siblings, Nani
have to edit and say one more thing: AMAZING, absolutely amazing, I did work all day on some songs, especially on the lyrics, but hey its so many month ago that I had any inspiration, I now thought it is over entirely, I was asking already AkashicBrother if he would give me his poems, cause I aint got any more ideas inside of me, no more words and no more poems, this is what I thought, I thought its truly over, and goshbengboing I wrote 2 poems for 2 songs and recorded them today in a rough layout. Boah ey hey that must have something to do with this Octave-Inspiration, I feel like this has opened up something, a kind of creative Block or what it was, now that feels absolutely great and encouraging again whoohoo. T H A N X. :-)
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Post by nani on Dec 25, 2006 18:14:01 GMT -5
oh and Osiris, I think I forgot to say thank you for this big and insightful etheric-post you have made, in this amounts of posts I`ve lost the overview a bit somehow, aaand Im still reading it trying to figuere out if I really understood all what is said there, lovejoy Nani
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Post by BenHangen on Dec 25, 2006 19:07:16 GMT -5
That’s great Nani because I love that DAO music
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Post by crazycat on Dec 26, 2006 2:33:20 GMT -5
I second what Ben says and I am glad you got unblocked Nani. Happy! Happy!
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Post by Dancing Bear on Dec 26, 2006 16:38:47 GMT -5
Me too Nani that music you create is fantastic, we play it loads here at home... One question i have do you do the singing also?
DBxx
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