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Post by crazycat on Dec 8, 2005 2:09:21 GMT -5
;D I've had it go as far as my throat chakra and then shoot back down to my heart Chakra. hehe... Now you're throat chakra is wide open, but most of your chakra centers are open anyways aren't they? Your suppose to direct it up to the crown and then move it back down to the heart chakra. I read that somewhere. Hey, it does feel pretty good, almost as good as sex. Hehe.
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Post by sxy on Dec 12, 2005 20:10:11 GMT -5
Ah..! lol.... he he ........
I guess it was almost as good .> no telling when I'll be able to do it again with Heart chakra.?
~SXY~
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Post by zayin on Feb 24, 2006 8:17:43 GMT -5
Over a month ago I was having an incredibly difficult time in stopping the movement of my awareness. I was all over the place everyday, many times a day, and was literaly insane many times. After the first week or so of movement I started to experience waves of energy that would shoot through my body into my spine and up. I was terrified of the current traveling back down, as I heard it was bad to do so. The current did move downward as well, but I got a hold of it after a little bit a practice. I had to visualize my body as a tube that was connected in a circle. That way the energy would travel up into my head, out, and then into me again. It seemed to be the only way I could allow the energy to leave out of me, as it would seem to get caught in my crown, like there was a barrier. Sometimes the energy would reach my head, and I would not allow it to travel down again, but then the next wave would hit it too quickly. I would lay in bed spasming, and twitching in waves, and yes it was something like 'pain' at times. Uncontrolable currents of energy that shook my body, even while sitting at the comp. They come and go at times, but sometimes they come and take me over. This hasn't happened for about a week and a half. I think by not focusing my awareness on it, prevents it from taking me over, even though the odd waves still come I can focus away from it. Basically I am scared to continue focusing my awareness on this. It can be pleasant and comforting, but it can so easily be much more than that. Sometimes the current can enter the base of my spine extremely fast and shoot staight up into me, making me convulse almost violently. I do not like it at all when it gets like this.
I don't really call it kundalini or anything, I think it is the process of awakening to energy. I think it started by drawing the earth into me through various meditations, combined with awareness practices but I am not sure. How can anyone ever know anything?
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Post by crazycat on Feb 25, 2006 0:13:57 GMT -5
Zayin. from what I have read about Kundalini and what you have just describe I would say you have activated yours. Your right, your not suppose to allow it to go all the way back down to the lower chakras. Your suppose to allow it to go only as far down as the heart chakra. Just a night or so ago I was reading on this gnosis website about the Kundalini and it stated that demons are created by allowing it to go back to the base chakra and that you will grow a tail on your astral body. By allowing it to go to the heart your become a christed one or angel. I have been reading a lot on the gnosis websites lately and have come across some interesting stuff. That Toltec website that you posted about recently was linked to one of those sites. Anyways, I do think, if you haven't already, put 'Kundalini' in your search engine and read up about it. Also, what you wrote over on another thread about doing the energy moments in an altered state is another sign of the kundalini being awakened. From what I've read, many peoples who's kundalini awakens naturely will begin making those yoga type movement whether they know anything about yoga or not.
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Post by zayin on Feb 25, 2006 12:35:02 GMT -5
Well I haven't done a search on kundalini but maybe I will. When I started having the waves I recalled reading this thread and something somewhere, but what I had read sent me into fright. I believe belief has power. I think by focusing awareness with beleif is power. And so I am wary at times when reading into things. Just by thinking about this thread yesterday has sent me these waves. But on the other hand I don't want a tail on my body either. ssssssss
I guess for the time being I will call it some kind of natural process of energy transformation. I would say awareness and awareness of intent is responsible for this. At the very beginning of this 'journey', and all throughout, I have had every beleif system I had, and have, rattled and shaken to nothing. That is natural of awareness since our perceptions must be shattered to see past them, and not tie our energy in them. I think by removing the energy in those 'beleifs' has made more energy available for awareness, and has then naturally makes more awareness of intent.
I think one view within toltec is inorganic beings and how they can be called and made allies. Turned from being disgusting and made to be put to use as a symbiotic relationship. They lead us to doom if we are not careful, but after years a more useful relationship can be built, after further developing awareness. Such a very difficult task. I ask them to leave for know and allow me to develop further. I don't fear them whatsoever, I love them even.
The yoga movements and taichi 'gestures' come during the onset and throughout shifts of awareness. These movements creates shifts themeselves when you learn how to apply them from our habitual state. I refer to them as magical passes only because the definition given to them fits more to what they are for me. I would practise taichi back in the day but I would be there while doing it, I would be 'doing' and I should be 'not-doing'. The 'passes' when they come natural, or when practiced, seem best when I do it 'for the hell of it', with no mind. Some of the passes are created in a state the seems to bring a sense of power, and with this power comes a natural movement of our body. It seems related with different 'gaits of power', or different energetic 'walks', as they come naturally as well. A stranger natural occurance are animalistic gestures coupled with 'a' feeling of being that animal.
I try to keep the animal gestures to minimum when dealing within the everyday. ssssss
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Post by crazycat on Feb 26, 2006 3:20:32 GMT -5
The Kundalini is given a bad rap because of all the mysterious things that take place, but it is a neccessary thing for us to become the god beings we are meant to be. For one to ascend/be tranformed they have to be born of water and of fire. The kundalini is that fire, the Holy Spirit. She is the female within who travels up the seven churches/chakras to the crown where she joins up with the male within and then they go to the heart chakra/temple where they become as one.
That is really cool about experiencing being a animal. That happen to Robert Monroe. He told about that in one of his books. He became the tiger.. Existenceisadream just wrote yeaterday about becoming a fish in a dream and I have experienced being a mermaid. But I take it you are actually acting out the animal gestures in the physical, but in an altered state. Interesting! What type of animal are you being?
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Post by zayin on Feb 27, 2006 15:55:56 GMT -5
Hey Crazycat.
Well yeah it is during a normal state of awareness, but more accurately it starts from a normal state. When doing an energy walk, which has been referred a 'the gait of power', it enables me to stop the internal dialouge of the mind, enabling shifts into other states. By doing the walk, coupled with passes, etc, it has moved my awareness to different places, making it like a waking dream, or a double perception.
The porblem I have, I think, is not letting go of my normal state completely, or entering into the 'new' state completely.
It is like a movement that comes about, making my body 'move' without my actual body moveing. Complicated, but it is like being aware of two bodies, one that is walking, or standing, and the other which is 'roaring', and running around with an intense energy. All the while I am still in my house though. I relate it to the feeling of laying down sleeping, but getting the feeling that my body is in some wierd folded up position, that it is not really in at all...yet it is.
What type of animal have I been... hehe, well I have 'been/felt like' a snake! Hows that for symbolism...especially in christianity! hehe. I have also 'been/felt like' a lion. The snake was something cool to feel, though I related the 'feeling/sensation' to being a snake, because it felt like it, I had the 'impluse' that I was a snake. I have always been partial to snakes, picking them up in the wild and stuff. It freaks my friends out when we paintball and I find one!
Cool about the kundilini info, I will have to roll it around in my mind, to see if I can 'tie' it all to the concepts of the energy centres. I mean, it seems that every centre is much more then just the word 'chakra' or whatever, and it is like the words we use are metaphorical, describing something that is bigger than out initial view of what is going on. er.. words.
Thanks again CC, always a pleasure chattin!
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Post by crazycat on Feb 27, 2006 20:27:28 GMT -5
Hi zayin, I kind of figured it was a snake with all those ssssss you were making... Hehe! The symbol of the kundalini is the snake you know. The lion is the symbol of power/kingship or a male authority figure/ male principle. In ancient Egypt, lions represented the horizon and the sun and were guardians of the sacred. That kind of interesting in itself, that the lion represens the male principle and the snake represent the female principle. The snake, the lion, and the fish even has symbolic meaning in most all the religions and such.
That reminds me of a movie I saw when I was about 19. It was a shamanistic type film about shapeshiters turning them selves into snakes and larges cats. That movie scared the bejeesus out of me. I have kind of considered that may be the reason my neg appears in cat form, from the fright I had from that movie, but it really wasn't the cats shpeshifters that frighten me as much as the snake shapesifters.
I used to catch and play with snakes when I was a child. I would keep them as a pet for a day or so. Let them wrap around my arm and all. After watching that movie I was never able to look at a snakes in that same way again. I don't like touching them or seeing them in movies. Gives me goosebumps. Hehe!
Most people thing of the Book of Revelations as being about the end of the world, but I think it about the transformation of man to a god being. The first chapter is all symbols of the part of the human body, with is the living temple of God. I've just recently been reading on some gnosis website and that is what they are saying, as well. I've been wondering if maybe I wasn't into gnosis in a former life because it all seems so familiar to me, like I have known all that before. Some of the stuff on the net about the Kundalini sounds kind of scary, but what the gnosis people are teaching about it, makes it something desirable to experience. From what I have read so far people who have conscious OBEs all have their kundalini awakened to some level, which going by these teachings is necessary to be able to be aware in the astral. I don't know if that is so or not, but the three lower chakras and the heart chakra has to be activated to be able to have a conscious OBE for sure.
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Post by zayin on Feb 28, 2006 11:50:33 GMT -5
ssssss! No I didn't know that kundilini was the snake, but it totally makes sense to me. The energy makes you move like a snake, but I find it can be like a whip as well. Very cool. I often find that it feels like we know everything already, but we are just not aware to it. Like it is just out of reach. I think the natural things, about our energy, and bodies, we definately know. It seems that 'kundilini' is 'just' a level of awareness...I suppose. A level where you are aware of energies, and the centres, and so you are also aware of OBE etc? I don't know! Being a mermaid would be something! I wish mermaids would visit me!....haha.......in my dreams! Quite a few bi-products of awareness.. I can now feel drains as they happen, in my navel. Crown tingeling is common as well. But the strangest thing, I think, is waves of peculiar 'energy' sensations that come on at times in the day. The energy feeling is in my ody, and is usually coupled with an 'emotion', or 'feeling'. hmm is strange, and I don't really know why. It seems a deep sadness, or a deep joy comes with it. Often just like I am a child. I often feel like Christmas morning nostagia, or something similair. hmm. You know even when a person is upset, and say.. about to yell, it seems like I don't experience the feelings normally anymore, but as waves of different energies that 'blanket' over me.. When you say fire and water, it catches something in me aswell. Very interesting as I have heard this used to describe different energy feelings related to what inorganics can cause. And ofcourse inorganics can and do cause this as well. haha inorganics...I never knew.. Wow I go off quite abit when I type off the top of my brain! ;D
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Post by crazycat on Mar 1, 2006 23:56:52 GMT -5
Yesterday I listen to another one of those gnosis lectures. Most of the lectures so far have been about consciousness and awareness. One interesting thing on this last lecture when he was talking about the kundalini, he says that not everyone has an astral body yet, that it is something that has to be created. It is created through the kundalini, and once it is created you will continue having it in all your reincarnations. I guess that would explain why some people have conscious OBE's even while the are still very young children naturally. That kind of goes along with what is being said on the Trufax.org website. Going by that website Monroe talked about that to the government officials, but didn't write about it in any of his books.
Quote: You know even when a person is upset, and say.. about to yell, it seems like I don't experience the feelings normally anymore, but as waves of different energies that 'blanket' over me..
Most of the time when I get upset it seems like a part of me separates and that part is outside of me observing. It seems really weird. I do understand what you mean about the waves of energy, I too experience those different waves of emotions and feelings at odd times.
What exactly do you think those inorganic being are? Are they just spirit beings negative or positive.... either one? I would like to hear more about those, if you don't mind telling.
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Post by zayin on Mar 4, 2006 12:29:34 GMT -5
One interesting thing on this last lecture when he was talking about the kundalini, he says that not everyone has an astral body yet, that it is something that has to be created. I agree that, in a sense, that it has to be created. I think we all have an ethereal body/double/astral body, yet we have to develop the energy/intent to place our awareness on it. I think we have to create the awareness, or the intent to find its 'pieces', yet intent is an aspect of the energy body.. I guess in a way it has to be learned, without ever being learnt?? err...words. What exactly do you think those inorganic being are? Are they just spirit beings negative or positive.... either one? I would like to hear more about those, if you don't mind telling. hmmm....the inorganics are certainly difficult to talk about! They aren't good nor bad really. I think DJM chose excellent words for description. To say too much about them, or to use different words, makes rationality 'believe' it can understand, as with many things, fixing the state of attention by focussing on 'objects of the dream' for too long(which applies, to every state). I think that is why the dream 'emissary', the voice of the inorganic realm, isn't so good to listen to or interpret, it is sneaky and tells us what we already know, and so traps us in the inorganics world. And that is its purpose, and there are worlds within the inorganics realm to be trapped in. It is a delicate manuever to be able to attain a balance to ensure that inorganics are allies, and necessary. Their energy is needed to precieve different things, but I think only in the beginning of the journey. 'Scouts' are too easy to find. They are everywhere. At first they appeared randomly, and I was barely aware of them, and am learning individual scouts, as opposed to always finding new unknown ones. The 'emissary' can follow to any world, but can be shushed out. Since the emissary is of the inorganics realm anything it says can bring you there. Carlos wasn't so good in learning so much of the inorganics, and was making fun of himself I think. A better voice than the emissary is the voice of seeing, or the voice of the self or spirit, which is not a 'voice', in a linear 'flow' at all. It is like the not doing of speaking and thinking. To shut off words in order to hear impulses and processing of energy, sensations, and just bursts of whatever words can't describe. It brings up the thread you started about 'time' and that it is of this state of attention, which is the 'known'. To focus on the known, or even a newly found unknown, is to firm awareness in a new spot, or to keep it in an old one(to focus on the items of the dream). To speak is to flow from one moment to the next, as thinking is, but the voice of our seeing is not within this known process, it is the 'unknown', or 'unknowable'. To focus awareness this way can allow a 'sorceror' to live thousands of years, by traveling to different inconcievable worlds. In the same sense a world visited for 1 minutte can age someone 10 years, and the next world can take 10 years off! Mysterious it all is. That is why when we come back to an old post we've written, or even a newer than 'old' post, it can seem like someone else wrote it. Our state of awareness depends on which items of the dream we are focusing on. Or in other words, which items of the 'inventory' we choose to use, to guide our intent. Our inventory is always changing, adding new things, and being moved around, and thus is our intent, or where we tie up our energy. I hope that answered atleast something!
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Post by osiris on Mar 17, 2006 19:25:34 GMT -5
Im probably the newest guy here but i am a gnostic and i primarily study Kundalini. If you awaken the serpent you will know it. There is NO mistaking it for a massive energy build up in the chakra or anything else. The awakening is like an orgasm in every chakra (understated) and unless you are extremely healthy and have cleared most of your ego there is no control over it AT ALL. The main problem is if you are a left path follower it will follow the roots of the tree of life instead of the tree itself. It is not controllable once you awaken the KUNDABUFFER instead of the Kundalini its to late. The serpent follows the path of least resistance so once its started there is no turning back. It will and does change you and not like when you learned to work with chakra in a totally differant way. The medical symbol used to this day is called the caduceus and refers to the kundalini. Also see rod of hermes,dna,and alchemy for more info.
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Post by crazycat on Mar 18, 2006 14:32:26 GMT -5
Hello there, osiris, welcome to the forum.
In the last couple of months, I've been reading a lot of gnostic materials. A lot of it seems so familiar, like I have known it before. I have heard that word KUNDABUFFER a few times, but in the lectures I've listened to they have not explained what that is. I get the impression that if one is listening to the lecture then you should know what it is. I take it that it is when the Kundalini goes the wrong way and turns one into a demon instead of an angel. Could you explain more what the kunadbuffer is? From what I read and listened to that even after the kundalini rises one still has a long way to go to become enlightened.
I read an article yesterday, it was a channeled message, that enlightenment is when a person has the ability to create saftey on all four levels ( physical safety, emotional safety, intellectual safety, and spiritual safety). Enlightenment is knowing what to do next under any given set of circumstances. It goes on to say that it is required that one has a calm, clear, empty mind. And of course one has to be conscious and present. There was a lot more explaining in between all that. Anyways, it made sense to me. This person states is it’s better to expand the ego than to eliminate it. Saying that if you’re fully successful in eliminating the ego, the soul doesn’t have a lot to work with in its interface with physical reality.
I haven't gotten that far into gnosis to understand what is being meant by eliminating the ego or egos to clearly. I take it that egos is about pointing the finger, blaming, being angry, getting depressed, feeling sorry for yourself, those kinds of things. These are things we do when we don't feel safe in some situations. The way I'm understanding this person, is by expanding the ego one is more in control of how it reacts in circumstances. The way I'm understanding gnosis is that being angry, getting depressed,etc, these ways of reacting are the egos and we have to we have to learn how to eliminate those types of reacting. I'm I understanding that right? So the way I see it, if I am understanding both right, they are actually the same thing but just phrase differently. Does that make sense?
So anyways, could you help me out with understanding the kundabuffer and eliminating the egos thing better?
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Post by osiris on Mar 18, 2006 17:44:37 GMT -5
You are very close with the kundabuffer. If you look at the tree of life it has two directions. Once a path is started it is near if not impossible to change its direction. If you are into obe there are actually two (for beginners) directions you can go. To be enlightened and work to disolve your ego (astral). Or too be "worldly" and materialistic (grounded heavily with your first and second chakra) this leads you to purgatory the first true level of the underworld. When you project it is extremely hard to tell. My belief is that there is a grey area and to truly understand you must know both and travel both. The problem is unless you pay extreme attention to yourself you will have no control over where you are headed. Its a pretty good bet that if you are comfortable with this world the way it is with porno, materialism, fast food...etc basically any of the SEVEN deadly sins than you are in for a rude awakening. If you are at least willing to admit what is wrong with yourself and work to change those things (ego) than you are headed in the right direction or path. Look at our government and the corruption and b.s. if they just make these things a "natural" part of your life than your set up to fail from the moment you are born. When you are a baby and until some time around when you start school you can naturally see auras,and you can project (maybe not remember) but its for sure you have these abilities at birth. as you gain ego from this world and pay no attention to your spiritual self you fairly quickly loose the god given abilities. I believe this to the deepest part of myself. Why would any pesident or politician ever want ther to be a mass amount of people that can see auras? with one good look at any of them you could immediatly tell if they are a liar or if they should hold the office they have. It would drop the medical world into chaos, and if you were ever in a court room well you get the idea....Now this opens a whole new can of worms Templar,Masons,skull and bone,golden dawn,illuminati, all the societies that want these abilities for themselves but not us and most of which already have a strangle hold on money and political power. Ok sorry i get into rambling sometimes. The Kundabuffer the way i see it so far is that it is a tail. on some circumstances can actually be seen by a traveller/remote viewer or projecter. You are actually opening up the reptile in yourself with the grounded first chakra and the fight or flight instinctual second chakra. All the chakra are important and must be controlled not just the six but the two that are below us and the two that are above your head. Guess thats enough for now... I would just like to reiterate that im glad to be here in the company of like minded people.
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Post by crazycat on Mar 18, 2006 19:00:12 GMT -5
Thanks, osiris, I have been reading lots about the kundalini for a couple of years now, but am just now getting around to studying the gnosis veiw of it. I read that there are two different paths that the kundalini can take. So the kundabuffer is not what the path itself is called, but is the reptile tail that is produced from kundalini going the wrong path. Have you read any of David Icke's books about the shapesifting reptiles and all? After what you have said here, it kind of makes me wonder if these reptile shapesifters or just people who have caused their kundalini to rise on the wrong path. Going by Icke they are the ones who have control over the government/illuminati and all. I haven't read any of his more recent books, but in some of his first ones, I got the impression that he thought the shapesifter reptiles were aliens from another planet originally, but have been trap here. I don't know if he still believes that or not. It just makes me wonder if maybe once these people turn themselves into a reptile would they be able to shapesift back and forth in the physical. David Icke also said that the veil between the spiritual and physical is getting thinner and that they are losing their ability to keep humans from seeing their true selves. Like many have seen Bush in his reptile form for a split second at times.
Hmmm...I am not BTW into fast foods, materialism , nor porno. I do try to keep myself from all seven of the 7 deadly sins.
I was sent an e-mail one time where you did this test to see how many you could get right. About half the people were computer geeks and the rest were criminals and you were to guess which was what. Hehe! My guesses where 100% correct, so I guess I am pretty good at judging one's character. There was not much difference in their outward appearances. I had to kind of study their eyes and it would come to me which they were.
Also, I am so fed up with worldly people that I have pretty much become like a hermit for the past 10 years. The 9/11 thing left me almost like in a zombie state for about 6 months. I knew it wasn't Bin Ladin behind that, even from the beginning. I mostly knew this from reading David Ickes books. I had read a couple of his books just before that all took place and he had just predicted something like that was going to happen.
I guess, since I'm not real for sure if my kundalini has been awaken or not, it probably isn't, but I have had like an electirc type energy go up my back in a zig-zag pattern. It ended in my heart chakra. It happened so very fast, and I didn't have any control over it at all. I also have had some physical effects from this happening. So what do you think, do you think my kundalini could have awaken or not? Have you had yours to awaken?
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Post by osiris on Mar 18, 2006 20:39:08 GMT -5
I am working towards awakening it in the slowest and least painful manner possible. I belive that i have gone no further than my stomach area so far. But last night was sort of a odd night for me i have been working on projection and towards the end of my relaxing state and well into meditation my third eye fired off like i cannot even tell in words. I had positive flow through every chakra including feet and hands and bam all of a sudden it fealt like my 6th was like a light house. I think this was actually just a massive energy flow because so far ive had some pain when working with the serpent and last night was just tranquil. As far as the energy stream you speak of,my first encounter with that (electrical flow but almost orgasmic in feel) was when i meditate eyes open on an object of choice.I clear my mind except the object, and i got a massive "jolt" from my brain to my toes and back, but it did not seem to leave it touched a certain point in my head and was gone. From all i have read this is a good thing and only helps to open new areas not yet in use.
By the way am i allowed to post links up here without breaking the rules?
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Post by crazycat on Mar 18, 2006 22:01:03 GMT -5
By the way am i allowed to post links up here without breaking the rules?
Well, I think you are suppose to have made at least thirty post or some such before you can leave a link, but a new person just this week left a link and I mentioned it to Lilacsky and I notice she did not remove it, so I don't know if that rule has changed or not. Give it a try and if she removes it...then you will know. hehe!! I think the rule is mostly for people if they are just using the forum to advertise their own website, but really have no interest in this one.
When all that energy ended up in my heart chakra it was kind of painful, but it felt good at the same time. One of the things physically is that I have had to learn how to type all over again. It's like my hands do not want to co-operate with my brain. Also, I can hear voices/people talking better now. sometimes when I'm not even in a trance state. Sometimes I can pick up a conversation that last for several minutes. I never know who the people are though and it is just ever day conversation. Sometime I wonder if it's not conversations from people here in my neighborhood....hehe!
I meant to say on that last post that I have been having OBEs for several years. In fact, I can remember some I had as a child, but I did not know what they were back then. As an adult I've had them too, spontaneous ones up until about 4 years or so ago I did not know what they were, until I ran across William Buhlman's book one day at the bookstore. I was also able to see ghost when I was a child. I had quite a few experiences with that.
That energy thing happened to me not this past fall, but the one before. It happened after doing a chakra meditation tape.
Before that, all but one or two of my OBEs had all been spontaneous ones with not much control on my part, but now I can cause them to happen pretty much when I want. What I mean by that is that after several days of really putting a lot of effort into it, I can produce one. I have a lot of little vision like things, what I call flickers, short little movie clips, every time I meditate, which is most every day. I have this dang neg that keeps interfering at times, which is a real aggravation.
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Post by osiris on Mar 19, 2006 17:00:26 GMT -5
Neg? That is a negative entity right? Cant you perform a banishing and take care of it? I ask because ive heard ( not sure how true) that you should do this after every obe.
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Post by crazycat on Mar 19, 2006 21:28:27 GMT -5
Sometimes those banishing things work and sometimes not.. beats me. I have found the thing that works the best for me is to just order it to leave my just saying, "In Jesus name, be gone from my house." I think the one that is hazzling me is there to take energy from me, but I'm not for sure. It has taken my energy at times when it managed to trick me and it usually takes me a day or so to get over it. It really pisses it off though when I order it to leave in Jesus name. It really hates that. BTW, neg entities can't really harm you, they are more of an aggravation than anything. Most people are not even effected by them or even have an experience with them. I'm not for sure but I may have attacted this neg to myself by playing with an ouija board back there a long time ago, in my younger careless days. Hehe. On that course you are going to take they teach some mantras that do banish them and they also teach the circle of light protection thing. For me, I have used the name of Jesus for that so much that it is an automatic reflex in me.
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Post by osiris on Mar 20, 2006 11:57:52 GMT -5
Hopefully the class will help to give the information or whatever it is that im missing. Have you taken more than one of there courses?
You know that almost everyone ive spoke to has said the same thing. When they start to look at gnosis they realize its familiar or just seems natural.
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