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Post by Dancing Bear on Sept 20, 2006 23:05:25 GMT -5
I went to see a presentation and blessing prayers by His Eminence Chogye Trichen Rinpoche. He is the teacher of the the 14th Dalai Lama.
He mentioned duplicating yourself in your dreams. He was talking about mastering the art of duplicating yourself in your dreams and your selves then Astral travel to different parts of the world and witness for yourself what is going on, he mentioned meeting up with others along the way, meditating whilst in your dream world, sound like Lucid and Obeing to me, But i have never tried to duplicate myself within a dream..
I have been someone else but nothing more...
Has any of you duplicated them self in a dream and then simultaneously astral traveled to 2 different places? And consciously conversed and remembered both experiences?
I know Ejoty is studying Buddism i might Pm him and ask for his input to this..
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Post by Lena on Sept 20, 2006 23:37:20 GMT -5
I went to see a presentation and blessing prayers by His Eminence Chogye Trichen Rinpoche. He is the teacher of the the 14th Dalai Lama. He mentioned duplicating yourself in your dreams. He was talking about mastering the art of duplicating yourself in your dreams and your selves then Astral travel to different parts of the world and witness for yourself what is going on, he mentioned meeting up with others along the way, meditating whilst in your dream world, sound like Lucid and Obeing to me, But i have never tried to duplicate myself within a dream.. I have been someone else but nothing more... Has any of you duplicated them self in a dream and then simultaneously astral traveled to 2 different places? And consciously conversed and remembered both experiences? I know Ejoty is studying Buddism i might Pm him and ask for his input to this.. Wow, I find it a good challenge to create just one more of myself for astral travel. Maybe what he meant by duplicating yourself is creating your astral double, and you are duplicating yourself, because the other you is sleeping in bed. You can perceive being in your bed, and somewhere else at the same time, that's pretty common for AP. But having two astral doubles?? Well, I do believe it's possible. |
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Post by Ejoty on Sept 21, 2006 6:39:29 GMT -5
I know Ejoty is studying Buddism i might Pm him and ask for his input to this.. Someone called my name? Yes, I am studying Buddhism. I'm following a Mahayana/Vajrayana group called The New Kadampa Tradition. They are a branch of Tibetan Buddhism. Now onto the subject of dreams. As far as I know...this group feels that dreams are a different reality and are not subconscious thoughts dealing with the day's events. To which I agree on. Now I know that those of you who believe in OBE's possibly use dream journals for help in remembering your dreams and that is what works for you and I accept that and don't judge you in any way for that. I do dream though I tend to forget them and the majority that I do remember tend to almost feel like an alternate reality. And the there are the ones that will stick with me... Those ones end up showing Future events in my life. |
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Post by crazycat on Sept 21, 2006 10:16:06 GMT -5
Actually most teachings say you have 5 bodies. Your physical of course and then you have the etheric double that stays with the physical mostly but I think it may be able to separate. Not for sure on that. Then you have your astral body that has to be created. That means not everyone can astral project. Then you have the mental and emotional bodies and the spiritual/causal. Then those who are master create a crystal body. I'm probaly not understand something, because I count seven there rather than just five.  I really don't understand that completely because all your dream charactors are you in a sense. In the last dream I post in my journal, I actually was conscious in the dream and knew when my dream body split into two and I was conscious in both characters. I was conscious of my face being in the grass, but it's weird I did not feel anything from that body when the dude ripped out my heart. The conscious me that was observing all this was feeling emotions. I guess there at the end my consciousness went more over into the observing me. |
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Post by Lena on Sept 21, 2006 22:18:59 GMT -5
Actually most teachings say you have 5 bodies. Your physical of course and then you have the etheric double that stays with the physical mostly but I think it may be able to separate. Not for sure on that. Then you have your astral body that has to be created. That means not everyone can astral project. Then you have the mental and emotional bodies and the spiritual/causal. Then those who are master create a crystal body. I'm probaly not understand something, because I count seven there rather than just five. I say let's make up some more bodies if we really feel like it he he In Wicca (Inner Temple by Christopher Penczak), I was taught that there are seven "layers", each corresponding to a chakra. They are in order: physical, etheric, astral, emotional, mental, psychic, and divine. Robert Bruce, the author of Astral Dynamics talks about four energy bodies that play a role in astral projection. 1. Fundamental energy body that stays with the physical always, exception [possibly] can be near-death experience. 2. Expanded energy body now this one stays with us too, but it can move around a little, and it can perceive, hear, and see into the astral. This would explain why we can have dual consciousness during an OBE. Now this is open to arguement, some people say this energy body is the one experience real-time projection 3. Projectable or astral double 4. And confusing enough, real-time astral double. Don't ask me to clarify, I'm not sure I even understand it that well he he Basically, there are different teachings on the subject, and it depends on your believes as to how many bodies you have. That's my conclusion anyhow. I really don't understand that completely because all your dream charactors are you in a sense. In the last dream I post in my journal, I actually was conscious in the dream and knew when my dream body split into two and I was conscious in both characters. I was conscious of my face being in the grass, but it's weird I did not feel anything from that body when the dude ripped out my heart. The conscious me that was observing all this was feeling emotions. I guess there at the end my consciousness went more over into the observing me. I see what you are saying, Linda. I have two of me in dreams sometimes too, or I can switch between two characters, or observe the action from outside. In my opinion, dreams are interpretation of our conscious mind of messages from our subconscious. You can view it as a different reality translated so we can understand, or our imagination, not relevent to my point. Dreams are non-linear, so it's easy to see why we would interpret as there being two of us, or even three of us (maybe  ). What Dancing Bear is saying about being in several places at the same time or even two, not counting your physical body, well, I don't remember if I read anything about that. That's what I was saying, I think it might be possible, but I'm not advanced enough to know from experience, and even most OBE authors are probably not that advanced. My theory is that while we might be doing that, being in several locations, the challenge would be to remember. Our astral double would download the info into our brain, but if there is another double, two sources of information would then overlap, and one would have to go. Experiencing duality is a little different, because it's like there is a little bit of both, and sometimes you flicker back and forth between the two. Robert Bruce said that sometimes what seems like a failed OBE attempt is, in fact, successful, but our consciousness stays with the physical body, while our double is out, and doing something. But since we continue to be conscious in our physical, then projected double doesn't have a place to download its memory. If you are still with me, sorry, if my explanation is not clear enough.  |
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Post by crazycat on Sept 22, 2006 14:33:24 GMT -5
Hehe! To bad all those masters who tell what is what don't see it all the same way. Then it would not be so complicated and hard to understand. I guess it is one way for this one and another way for another. It kind of makes one think that it is all subjective stuff that each person's mind/consciousness creates for themselves. So what would be true for one is not for the other. Even the physical is like that as well. Put two people in the same situation, one will see it as a positive thing and the other will see it as a negative. We experience and see what ever our beliefs dictates. If one changes their beliefs, then one's reality changes.  That's very simple. What is Truth? The only truth I know is that everyone/everything changes from moment to moment. Forever living and dying as the same time, either ascending or decending. If their was ever stasis then that would be true death. I wonder if that guy Dancing Bear is talking about meant, being like physical in two places at once. There have been some that have been known to do that. I think Muldon (sp?) was one who accomplished that. He was witnessed as being home and in bed asleep and he was also witnessed at being at this other place all at the same time. He appeared just as physical at both places. |
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Post by Dancing Bear on Sept 22, 2006 19:14:20 GMT -5
Hehe! To bad all those masters who tell what is what don't see it all the same way. Then it would not be so complicated and hard to understand. I guess it is one way for this one and another way for another. It kind of makes one think that it is all subjective stuff that each person's mind/consciousness creates for themselves. So what would be true for one is not for the other. Even the physical is like that as well. Put two people in the same situation, one will see it as a positive thing and the other will see it as a negative. We experience and see what ever our beliefs dictates. If one changes their beliefs, then one's reality changes. That's very simple. What is Truth? The only truth I know is that everyone/everything changes from moment to moment. Forever living and dying as the same time, either ascending or decending. If their was ever stasis then that would be true death. So Very true CC, I am experiencing this first hand at the moment! I have a house guest who sees the exact same scenario/situation completly the opposite to me! Can get a little frustrating! [qoute]I wonder if that guy Dancing Bear is talking about meant, being like physical in two places at once. There have been some that have been known to do that. I think Muldon (sp?) was one who accomplished that. He was witnessed as being home and in bed asleep and he was also witnessed at being at this other place all at the same time. He appeared just as physical at both places. [/quote] I have done this but have not mastered it, in fact i do not how i did it in the first place LOL!! I have had a number of occasions where people see me physically doing things and in places i am physically not, they realise it is just an illusion when i do not answer them, I have been sworn at and called rude once LOL!!( it was an illusion ) , and yet consciously I really wish i was there and doing those things people have seen me do! So maybe that could be part of the key to it.. I think this Lama was referring to our dreams! Not physical. In our dreams ...duplicate ourselves ....and then astral travel... separately.... and experience many different things at once...remembering the experiences. I have never done it and cant see myself ever being able to do it... But i do find it fascinating that people actually practice doing it and beleive they achieve this state. When they meditate they go from the crown chakra and beam out, they go from layer to layer i think he mentioned at least four steps out. I sat there and tried doing this whilst listening to him, It was an amazing experience, going to higher realms i have not thought of going to before.. I will try to google and see if i can find the meditation. DB xxx |
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Post by Dancing Bear on Sept 22, 2006 19:20:49 GMT -5
I went to see a presentation and blessing prayers by His Eminence Chogye Trichen Rinpoche. He is the teacher of the the 14th Dalai Lama. He mentioned duplicating yourself in your dreams. He was talking about mastering the art of duplicating yourself in your dreams and your selves then Astral travel to different parts of the world and witness for yourself what is going on, he mentioned meeting up with others along the way, meditating whilst in your dream world, sound like Lucid and Obeing to me, But i have never tried to duplicate myself within a dream.. I have been someone else but nothing more... Has any of you duplicated them self in a dream and then simultaneously astral traveled to 2 different places? And consciously conversed and remembered both experiences? I know Ejoty is studying Buddism i might Pm him and ask for his input to this.. Wow, I find it a good challenge to create just one more of myself for astral travel. Maybe what he meant by duplicating yourself is creating your astral double, and you are duplicating yourself, because the other you is sleeping in bed. You can perceive being in your bed, and somewhere else at the same time, that's pretty common for AP. But having two astral doubles?? Well, I do believe it's possible. Sorry missed this bit Lena He was actually saying to duplicate the self nore than once he was saying it was infinate the number of times you can duplicate yourself.. It just blew my mind a bit to even fathom. I cant even Astral travel once let alone many times simultaneously.. I am finding it fasinating that there are some out there doing this. DB x xx |
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Post by crazycat on Sept 22, 2006 22:05:06 GMT -5
I find it very hard to believe. Duplicatng your astral body endless amounts of times and being conscious of what each one is doing. Most of the time I am not conscious of what my one astral body is doing. Hehe! That guy must be 100% conscious or close to it to accomplish such a thing. Would that mean he is like God? Omipresence! I'm a doubting Thomas. He would have to show me some proof before I would believe such as that.
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Sept 22, 2006 22:34:22 GMT -5
I think we duplicate ourselves more than we know and often it is in our dreams we find out other self/awareness..to me this is maybe leaning toward the possibility that we do have multiple selves as there are multiple universes.
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Post by crazycat on Sept 23, 2006 2:15:04 GMT -5
I've just been reading for the past couple of hours about Chogye Trichen Rinpoche and I guess if any one is capable of doing such a thing , he would be the one. He has done a lot in his long life.  |
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Post by osiris on Sept 25, 2006 19:57:03 GMT -5
The practice of multiple awareness is pretty advanced. But have read that some can do it five or more times at once. Still not something i feel up to but yes ive read much about it in Moss's books.
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Post by Dancing Bear on Sept 25, 2006 20:12:35 GMT -5
Yes i do not htink i could do it on a conscious level, but hey you never know what the future holds I agree Lilacsky DB xxxx |
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Post by osiris on Sept 25, 2006 20:15:38 GMT -5
I concur with lilac. Missed that on the first read. Yup we are not really duplicating ourself we are just finding what is already there.
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That's very simple. What is Truth? The only truth I know is that everyone/everything changes from moment to moment. Forever living and dying as the same time, either ascending or decending. If their was ever stasis then that would be true death. 
