odni
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Post by odni on Jun 24, 2005 17:51:10 GMT -5
Hello everyone!!!
The interesting thing is that we (humankind) are very easily manipulated and our beliefs can be so strong that we will go to extremes to try and defend them. Then a few weeks later we'll realize that maybe we were a bit foolish and believe in something else.
I think that science came into play to try and say "Hey look, the Earth really isn't flat you guys". What sucks is that those in power will use both science and religion to justify their means, and some might suffer from that, so I guess that what I'm trying to say is, I like science and religion, and at the same time despize them for how they are used. The crazy thing is how advanced science has been getting these days, can be a bit disturbing if you let yourself think about it for too long.
Peace you all!!
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Jun 25, 2005 6:55:14 GMT -5
hey Odni! yeah I know what ya mean, I think there needs to be a balance between them, and science claims to prove anything, which is not true..humans still have not been to the bottom of the ocean..lol so I think that we get ahead of ourselves a lot..and this will continue through the years..and I do think science is helpful but it can not explain many things..it can only be taken so far..and than we have to look in other places for answers like ourselves..
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Post by sxy on Jun 26, 2005 2:03:31 GMT -5
Science & RELIGION ...hummm......... yup !
They both are not complete ! we need them as our way to understand our existence. We use them as reflection, to see them from other's perspective and as a buffer to form new ones .
We are still learning our ways ... this world has its rules,locked in is our science.
Religion ~ formed truths, of world views ! ,yet , the answers lay within us .
The One God of Gods....is the only( Religion), our lives need to be concerned with , we are not alone, God is in us ,rather in us is God !
~SXY~
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Jun 26, 2005 8:12:57 GMT -5
yeah thats what I don't get about religion, they do not teach that god is within us , the way it truthfully is,if you think about we are gods..we can create llife, we built everything on this planet, I wonder about us sometimes, I think we are a highly evolved species and perhaps we lived on other planets..
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odni
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Post by odni on Jul 5, 2005 19:47:40 GMT -5
I just remembered this thought that I had while meditating a while back. It had to do with Christianity, since our country seems to be so bent on it at the moment (I kind of live in the south VA, and there are more little churches than there are 7ellevens down here. Now, I love Jesus' teachings, it is ignorant "my way or the highway" people who had me roused up at the time, but my thought was this... In regards to Christianity vs Eastern religions, Christianity is centered on the self, while Eastern religions are centered on the whole. Hold on a sec... if you truly read about Jesus without going to a church, you might not label yourself, or you might realize that Jesus and Buddha have the same message, only their words can be used to say and mean different things. However, and my point is this, the ultimate purpose of divination through Christianity is salvation, or to go to heaven. Who doesn't want to go to heaven? The ultimate purpose of divination through Eastern religions is to chill and be at peace with everything, or enlightenment. Who wouldn't want to be enlightened? Well, if I proclaim Jesus as my savior, and am good and follow the rules, then I will go to heaven, I hope that you do also so that we can hang out in eternalness. If I understand that we are all part of the one and shed off my karma, then perhaps I might sit in nirvana. But how in the hell could I ever even think that I might go to heaven, as I sit here and use a COMPUTER, while there are people suffering from simple diseases because their countries are too poor to provide the simplest meds or food provisions? Who gives a SH#T about heaven? How about now, can we extend more than only sympathy, while our planet silently gets destroyed? Is living comfortably the main objective? Not only now, but even in the afterlife, even in heaven??? Yea right, dream on salvation-chasers, drill some more oil rigs while your at it, and try and put in a good word for me up there once you get in.
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Jul 6, 2005 16:55:14 GMT -5
whao odni your post did a huge u turn lol..its cool I hear ya, and it sickens me because the us has more money than anyone and all bush cares about is making a name for himself to go down in history.. and ya know im just tired of money and people not having it, there is too much to go around, there should not be poor hungrey people in this world, yep and its not fair I should be happy, but im not because I don't have lots of money, how stupid am I..well this is not realy me, I am happy with what I have..but this go's for everyone else out there, striving to get the most money and its just crappy, I feel for those poor hungry people because they are born there..just think if we were born in a poor culture or part of the world ya know..we would be screwed...I have to turn my back to these things because It just furiates me..and I dislike the entire world set up..as far as money and churches are concerned..but the truth here is that what can we do about it..thats another thing are we really free..no money gives us freedom.if we don't have money we are limited..restricted..whao I sound very hostile.lol but anyway odni I know what you mean..
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odni
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Post by odni on Jul 7, 2005 17:16:25 GMT -5
Yea Lilac, I guess I got carried away abit! I had started with one thing in mind and then veered off and let out something that was wanting to come out. I saw this special about a realy good eye doctor who set up a practice in India. Not many people can afford to have cataract surgery or an eye exam in that country, but with every patient that he treats he is able to treat four more others who can't pay for it. He crossed paths with an open-minded American businessman who set up a contact lens factory in India which sells the contact lenses for four dollars. Now a bunch of people can recieve eye treatment and have contacts. The doctor's philosophy was "The purpose for me to become a physician was not to have a comfortable house or luxurious life, but to help people." The businessman's philosophy is "We are practicing a form of reverse capitalism, which is selling a product at the lowest possible cost, and generating the lowest possible profit." I am so glad that there are people like this alive in the world today, and hope that the ripples caused by them will go far.
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Post by nani on Jul 8, 2005 12:03:53 GMT -5
oh yes Odni I agree and Ronni I agree - and our good thoughts and wishes at least will also contribute something, .. aaand how could it be wrong to talk at times about such facts and feelings also .. lgn
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Jul 10, 2005 9:45:12 GMT -5
yeah perhaps our energy can mold a peice of this huge universe..or at least push through it a bit to cause positive effects.
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odni
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Post by odni on Jul 16, 2005 20:14:55 GMT -5
Hey guys I was listening to this pretty cool rabbi talk about chakras and religions, and I really liked his view. Basically he thinks that all religions are important and that no one religion is totally right, rather its like they are all part of one orchestra, but its important to take part in the religion which you are a part of, that way you can play your instrument well, and take part in a type of divine symphony Anyway if you wish to listen here is the link; www.lauralee.com/index.cgi?pid=3068Don't really know what that has to do with science though...
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Jul 18, 2005 9:29:38 GMT -5
thanks odni..Ill check it out..Im open to new thoughts..and its okay it doesn't have to do with science..
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uriella
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Post by uriella on Jul 20, 2005 1:36:31 GMT -5
Okay, I've read most but not all of the posts in this thread, so excuse me if I repeat anyone here. I think that this would be more properly termed Mythos vs Logos, since for many people in this proof obsessed world science is a religion.
The idea of mythos and logos being opposed is, to my mind, impossible as we need both of these things to help us make sense of the world around us. However, I do know that many subscribe to only one or the other. This is sad, as it means they miss out on so many aha moments and sudden understandings because they are looking at only one side of the story.
I also think that the subject area of quantum theory actually requires a belief in both before it can even begin to be understood. Have I confused you all yet? Because I think I've confused myself, lol. ;D
Love and Light, Uriella
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Jul 20, 2005 23:55:21 GMT -5
hi uriella..yeah I agree with you, I think that in order to understand our reality we really do need both, however religion is a beleif not a reality and the truth varies from one person to the next..so I think it is very hard to combine the two..one we can see and touch and measure, the other is very personal or should be..lol ..ya know another thing is I dont understand how science can prove everthing..if truth again is differant for everyone..there fore those that think science can prove all things supernatural and all..don't understand I think.. there are also many atheists who only beleive in science..and that everything again including our personal beleifs can be proven..I think some things such as our beliefs/truths can only be proven by ourselves, after all we are the ones who created them..and molded them to shape our lives.. this is just my opinion, I am open to all thoughts guys..
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Post by Arivis on Nov 15, 2005 23:10:01 GMT -5
I just have one comment(gee, more than one) that revolves around this somewhat. To have to think about our beginnings as a whole race is mind bending. To understand the scientific part of it that we evolved on this planet from gelatinous goo into what we are today is miniscule compared to earth's exsistence. What about the dinosaurs? To think that we, from the religious point of view, were created by a Superior being and thus began are beginnings is another view that creates more questions. I, of course, am no scientist but wish to reflect on the enormity of both views and......listening to Joe Walsh...life been good to me so far.....I apologize for that tangent...good music. My personal look at both of these creates this unfathomable, unanswerable question of when did it truly begin. With the scientific explanation it points out, if I recollect correctly, that it started with a "bang". But my question is what caused this bang....what energy was there that initiated this cause and effect.This seems to tear the very breath from my being to reason this into an explanation....from nothing to something.....wow The religious pov explains to us that we were created by an entity of great power. We then can assume this being also made the planets and other existing star systems....but what of this Superior force....was he always here or my question: How did this entity come to exist ? Was it some energy or something else ? To have faith maybe is what some would say is all that is needed to understand but I yearn to know more...maybe some day.
My overall consensus is: it truly is hard to see any beginning from nothing from my posited point of view. Is it that we as Humans want/need beginnings because are existences revolve around the finite.....a beginning and an end...it becomes absolutely graspless to try think of and borders on the insane....
I hope(disclaimer) and mean no disrespect to anyone of any religious affiliation who believes in God and apologize if I have offended. Truth be told I've pondered upon this subject for countless years without too many takers.
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Post by Arivis on Nov 26, 2005 8:42:59 GMT -5
I found this site which has some very interesting reads on the beginnings of religion and life and in one book relates astrology and Jesus' beginnings...quite a bit of controversey here......... www.newagedatabase.com/index.html#homepage
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Nov 27, 2005 0:01:17 GMT -5
hmm, sounds interesting arivis, I just ran through it a bit..when I have more time Ill read more..thanks
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