Evolution vs reincarnation

[Dancing Bear]

I have been wondering lately , How does evolution fit?
How does it fit with the concepts of spirituality, reincarnation etc..

Over the years i have seen docos on evolution and I cannot deny that the process of an Evolving species does happen.. I admit it does take hundreds even thousands of years for some changes to happen, but it is recorded fact it does happen. has happened and still happening..

Now I know science has not and is incapable of discovering and recording all things. especially things in the spiritual sector..
Like ghosts , an after life, reincarnation etc..

but this Evolution thingy has got me thinking along the lines of. When there were no humans on this planet did reincarnation exsist of the species that were here?
When we did start to evolve and happen to be, and so very few of us, if we do reincarnate, how come there are so many of us now and so few of us then?
Where did all the souls come from?

Are we a species from a different dimension ( another story LOL)
or different planet even.. Or did we as souls always exsist and just hovered around until humans started to evolve..

What are we really? are we an alien taking over matter??

because i do know spirit energy is just that Energy unseen by many, but it is there , not scientific fact yet! But it is energy, have we always been just intelligent life energy, and was lucky enough to hover over a planet that a life form evolved that we could occupy the shell and experience earth exsistence..

I know this is a way out there way of thinking , but it is never far from my thoughts..

Is this human form we have an un-natural way to exsist, but we use it to expereince and learn and our natural form is just pure energy?

Has anyone else ever thought about this?
Or is it just me that has a loopy brain that questions everything LOL!

[BenHangen]

DB you know I’m out there with you and the answer to your question is ‘42’! If 42 doesn’t make sense look up Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy.

And yes

Yes

? Yes, in all of existence there is nothing but energy and there is no such thing as physicality. Quantum Physics has proven that and Einstein’s A-bomb proved it E=MC square.

Oh yeah and much more, like when I was 5 I realized we were an energy form within a shell and my problem at that time was to try and figure out if we could exchange shells.

[existenceisadream]

Hard to say since opinions are the best we can do.
The last time I talked with the aliens they told me I was silly hiding here on earth when I could be free from it all. They showed me "everything" but I insisted on staying.
We're hiding from something. Not sure what but it kind of scares me to wonder why the majority of people live in zombie filled routine day rarely even thinking/questioning the reality around them.
We're all alien I think.
Human is just what we've been calling "our kind".

[existenceisadream]

Oh ya and I think that....
Existence is dreaming...

[Dancing Bear]

LOL! Benhangen My husband also says the answer is 42 LOL!!

Interesting stuff to think when 5 Benhangen LOL!! But i have also thought the same LOL!!



Hiding huh! Existence! Interesting I wonder what from.. would be interesting to find out really.. It is scary that zombie land most dwell in! I would go absolutely Mad!! the twitch i have has nothing to do with my mental state already , really !!!

I do believe we are all alien of sorts too!!
How can we not be? LOL!! this subject really gets me thinking and sometimes that can be a bad thingy , Got to be careful i dont overload and blow a fuse somewhere LOL!!

Its good to hear from you both

[Dancing Bear]

OH heres another subject come up lately also

Is Alternate realities and reincarnation.. Buddhist believe in both.. and i tend to lean towards the same.. but then that would mean we would have incarnations within our alternate realities also, a bit mind blowing for this little brain in one day me thinks..LOL!! But i have been exploring all these possibilities and how and why they would fit anywhere, what is the purpose? I know to grow and learn, but then i think am i that bad that i need all these lifetimes LOL!!

[BenHangen]

DB how about the idea of being a dimensional alien? Then there is the temporal alien, of which I have thought I may have been, that is a past life must have been in the future.

Why would you have to be bad to have all these lifetimes DB? What you gonna do for eternity? If it was one long drawn out boring life you would get apathetic and cease to exists. From my understanding that did happen a long time ago in the future. It isn’t that we are hiding it’s more like what we are hiding. We are building a getter beast, we are evolving the male/female beast to higher dimensions.

Here’s one Donna it there are prophecies and clairvoyants that can see the future that happens, doesn’t that mean that time is really going in reverse? That all of this has happened before? History is always repeating itself as time and time again ancient cities have been found in the foundations of new cities. If everything is on an endless cycle, what’s the point?

Not to go off in a depressive point of fatalisms and everything is futile because it’s not and part of this life is to see that it is not. To see past that cycle of endless repetitions reminds me of a cold, you really don’t get over it till you have had enough.

[osiris]

We definatly are reincarnated in differant "realities". I believe thats why we have no memories of these except dreams and maybe the tentative guidance of a past life. We are all Aliens if that makes sense to anyone...lol
As for Evolution i cannot say when an evolving being gains a soul. The spirit is always there no matter how evolved we are. This is an evolving world but also remember its not the only "world" we occupy at any one time. Evolution may be totally incorrect science will call me aliar but the bible would praise me to say its all wrong. Theres a "theory" that has turned to fact to fast by science that missed something and that something is the soul and the unproven and unprovable science of the occult. Whats sooo funny is that a scientist will argue all day that evolution has occured and with no real proof. While its obvious that occult science just cannot be real since there is no proof....lol
The last thing to remember is that the earth is part of the underworld. "The universe is composed of two worlds, one spiritual and one good, the other material and evil. empedocles believed that human beings have two souls-the psyche or lower soul,which is finite, and the daimon or higher soul,which is immortal. (Quoted from The Essential Golden Dawn chapter one).
Anyone who studies and believes the gnostic way knows this to be true. the more materialistic the more you are confined. Now since we are both balanced and also in more than one place at one time how is it possible to gain facts at all? But science will swear they are right and we the spiritual beings are wrong.

[BenHangen]

Osiris, I think I agree with you again. You have spread kind of a wide blanket, which covers many things. LOL. IMHO humans are a lot more dimensionally that these so called higher life forms such as Abram Hicks, Seth, and Ramtha will ever attest to. There is no proof of a soul anywhere in the occult or in science and in neither can they prove there is a mind. So now what happens? Is it all a dream of another type of being that is schizophrenic or what?

I believe in the divinity of mankind to be the rulers of the universe, that we are the ultimate, even thou we are the last of creation. BUT we have to change and become what is within, the true being, but that is going to take a bit more time. Scientist can prove evolution and has done a very good job, for some reason you separate the hidden (occult) from science. Science is just an alchemic process of bringing the hidden into the light. A scientist is just someone that has an OBE and sets out to prove it, really where do you think they get these ideas anyway. Most of these new age ideas of dimensions, their ideas, and terminology comes from the turn of the 19th century scientific terminology. Actually new agers are about 100 years late in scientific terms.

Think of it this way, scientist are proving that man remembers the future, new age occult says there is free will and the future is static. With the new age occult there is a double standard, you can’t have a static future with total free will and have clairvoyant people. To have people that can see the future or have people that can see the future for one it has to be part of OUR reality, weather it be altered or a form of déja vu its part of our lives.

I’ve experimented in this area extensively, so I have really no idea what I’m talking about. BUT if you research the great minds in science you will find that they were great occultist. Like the minds of Carl Jung, Sir Isaac Newton, Tesla, Jack Parsons, Leonardo da Vinci, and the list goes on through the now times. Don’t count scientist out because you don’t understand them and side with the occultist because you think you are one, there is much to be learned from both doctrines. Never close an eye to something you don’t understand, just ask more questions.

I know nothing, teach me!

[osiris]

Yup even Einstien and the wright brothers. This earth has been used by more than just us. and we can have souls that were around during that time. Lets put it this way and make everyone mad...lol We each and every one of us could have been Jesus. Jesus the regular man yupp thats right REGULAR man. But he made the ultimate sacrafice and thus he is Jesus. Sons and daughters of god, in the likeness of. Jesus is a part of us and we a small candle flame of him. Science has progressed and those that realized that magic is part science, AND that science is part magic are the big thinkers you speak of. On the opposite end of the spectrum is Jesus and apollo and Hermes and Salomon. they were the mage that decided to undertand what is truly going on part science and material part soul and enlightenment. after all out physical body is very much an earth based material. Of course we are going to have issues, or sin as some may call it. To be told all these rules about sex, and how to live, and what we as good people need to do in life....its the point of view of one little group not the majority.

[osiris]

The thing is that science is still missing something. There is little belief in the bible and spirituality. The occultist already knows and the science is lagging thats how i see it. And when you mix the two as with the great people you mentioned you get a genius of our time. But too this day science still trys to prove the existance of god and or gods as false. Remember ancient egypt already had running water already had chakra already had science and the gods as well. we had to rediscover these things and than discover that they already existed.

[nani]

great thread, and I agree to ALL !! LoLbutTrue.. especially to that we/i exist on maybe arround trillions of levels at the same time.. okay i might exaggerate a littel tiny bit, maybe only on some hundred levels at the same time ).. but sure for me is that those levels include different spiritual planes as well as "time"-levels.. and that is what makes dreams, obes and such so confusing and difficult to grap.. cause I guess within such experiences we often just do touch several planes at the same time.. and that is not only dynamit stuff for our head but also for the inner-feel-self.. though, seems we can`t do anything else than just keep on rockn through universe.. hahahhhhhh, much lovejoy to all spirits, nani

[bezjak]

Both of those things are happening, and yes both transpired before humans existed....yes your spirit can change or morph into something it was not while still in you now. And no the soul is not a respecter of time. Simple ...then is and was now, and the future is today. paradox is the norm.