|
Post by nani on Nov 22, 2005 13:28:00 GMT -5
Hi guys, fellows, soul-siblings hehe
How are you, all of you?
Questions refering the AoD book - content:
1. what was the most clear message for you? 2. what was not clear, what did confuse you? 3. what conclusions, if so, could you find?
love_growth, Nani
|
|
|
Post by crazycat on Nov 22, 2005 22:16:34 GMT -5
1. what was the most clear message for you?
Well the most clear message would be to stay away from drugs. I'm glad there is a better way. But I do admire him for his courage to explore with that.
2. what was not clear, what did confuse you?
LOL! To tell you the truth I never could figure out exactly what the heck the assemblage point is and wondered if it has something to do with the chakras.
3. what conclusions, if so, could you find?
I mostly just ended up in confusion. I think I could use a second read. Hehe! But this was a lot of fun and even though Gav missed it all. I really would have liked to have seen more participation from all those who signed up for this. Even so it was still a lot of fun, rather we learned much from it or not. Those inorganic beings were an interesting lot. Hehe!
|
|
|
Post by zayin on Nov 24, 2005 23:31:59 GMT -5
I think this single book alone is unclear in the total message. Reading some of the other books makes things clearer, they tie in together very much. Great things are gained from moving the AP and entering the 2nd attention. A good site that will shed some light on it all. It talks about dreaming, intent, the assemblage point, recaping, the 2nd attention, etc. www.shamanscave.com/articles/perception(clicking 'perception' on the site will explain the assemblage point)
|
|
|
Post by sxy on Nov 25, 2005 1:37:19 GMT -5
;D 1) Don't make deals with Devels....lol , inorganic or not ..! 2) I could not believe, at first ,how my dreams would be affected by this book ...then I did ...I lost my awareness to one of those inorganic beings ,as I was later able to recognize them and yes ,what ever they are,? they were very similar to the books description. I lost my awareness, they tried to take it ...! # conclusions~ I had fun ... it was a journey, I shared reading it with you . I was able to get right in to the book and by the end I was sad to see the last page ... I thought the end might be a bit confusing to some ,when I finished, it took a bitof thinking ,but then I understood and I do thing that I gained from reading this book , if anything I feel my awareness is stronger now than before although I had to fight to regain mine back..! I had made contact before I read that they were bad news..! It just happened >? 3)Confusion ~ a) Getting extra energy from the inorganics was for me the clicker ? I just didn't get that ? Second why if thats not the only way ?hummm....I feel I lost energy,but struggling to get back my dreaming has been a good challenging exercise.lol b)The emissary .. who was this Voice ? It knew everything!!!! , ,,does this voice fit in with what we know in this reality..? Any ideas as to what we can compair it to ..? It was like god, yet Passive..! * I Very much enjoyed this "shared book~ review " . Thanks guys ..! ~SXY~
|
|
|
Post by crazycat on Nov 25, 2005 4:02:33 GMT -5
Hehe! I guess I must be really dense. Sorry Incubus, that shamancave articles was not any more clear to me than CC book. I was kind of thinking the assemblage points has something to do with the chakras centers. Oh, I am very determined. I will get to the bottom of this. LOL! Sxy, so you believe those inorganic being or not are devils/negs. Is that what your saying? They are tricky little rascals are they not? ;D Stealing our awarenss like that, I swear!!! After reading that shamancave article, would they be a personification of our ability to reason. Hmmmm! I think I'm more confused than ever. ;D
|
|
|
Post by existenceisadream on Nov 25, 2005 4:37:27 GMT -5
Like Incubus posted you really need to read CC other books to better understand. The AOD was his last book I believe so DJ had already explained so much about the AP and stalking before this book so I can see how it could confuse people. Though the AOD was my first book of CC I believe I grasped it very well. I've been on a group on-line that deals with nothing but the work of CC so I've learned alot there as well. 1. what was the most clear message for you? That dreaming isn't all fun and games and it's serious business when your out there dealing with all the energy's (negative and positive) of this existence. That energy's need other energy's to survive. 3. what conclusions, if so, could you find? Well there was no happy ending like I was expecting but instead Carol Tiggs disappeared so that didn't exactly leave me feeling to well. The conclusion that I got from the book is much like what I wrote for the message that I got. Another is that through dreaming we can learn to manipulate the AP and Stalk it so we can learn to move it at will from one spot to the next. Now so far I still don't really get a good visual of my AP but I relate it to different levels of awareness and to be able to get to different levels either through dreaming, meditation, or even in just plain everyday waking life. Before reading this book I took dreaming, Ld'ing, and OBE's as more of fun though I was getting more serious about them looking deeper than just doing it for fun, but after beginning this book I begin to deal with alot more negative energy's in my LD's and OBE's so I'm not sure if that was such a great thing but it's just another step into what I feel is the most important part of life so I guess it had to happen some time. It's sort of like a kid that graduates say high school and just spends his time messing around and not getting a job and living off his parents and then comes the day where he realizes he must take responsibility. Basically dealing with this darker side of dreaming and awareness is something that has to occur to progress.
|
|
|
Post by crazycat on Nov 25, 2005 14:19:10 GMT -5
Basically dealing with this darker side of dreaming and awareness is something that has to occur to progress.
That sounds familiar, we have to deal with the darker side of life in the physical. Some believe that the darker side of the astral is only experienced in the lower realms and only to those who have a belief that they have to experience that to grow. Are those keeper of the gates (the negs) that seem to appear out of no where to cause fear thus causing us to return to the physical body really causing us to grow or are they trying to keep us from the spiritual realms so that we do not come to the awareness of who and what we really are?
Could you give us the address to that online group, Existenceisadream. I would like to go check that out and maybe get in on some of their discussions.
|
|
|
Post by existenceisadream on Nov 25, 2005 16:17:21 GMT -5
I sort of think of negs as entitys that have yet to move on sort of like ghosts and since maybe they are still confused or just have no desire to move on they like to mess with people like me who are still learning to move in the astral yet I know that before this incarnation I bet it used to be very easy but somehow when entering into another vessel we forget all that we know or much of what we know till we either die or through meditation and dreaming remember it all. Wow I always right in big sentences ;-) But I can see how negs could be on the lower realms trying to control things because either they're not allowed to move on to the higher realms due to their negative energy or something. All I know is that the next time a neg comes running or flying at me in an OBE I'm done tryin to flee. I'm either going to stand my ground and remain as calm as I can and see if I can't send the neg away or if that doesn't work were going to tangle ;-) Reminds me of Japanese anime where we'll be fighting using energy balls and such. As far as the group that I'm on goes it's a very small group with only 6 members who are all dedicated to leading their lives as a warrior and is a non public group so I would have to ask the other memebers and see if I could get you an invite but I'm the newest member so I'm not sure If I could. There hasn't been much activity though lately but reading through old posts has helped me to get a better feel of CC's work. Here's what it reads on the home page though to get a better feel for what the group is about "This group is for those dedicated on the warriors path. This group is about action in our lives to free up energy for dreaming and freedom. All members correspond regularly with reports and ideas for action. The name of this group (Now!) reminds us of our mission. Now is the time for action!" I feel weird sometimes being in the group because everyone in the group has read all of CC's books but me. I'm still working on the second one but as far as leading my life like a warrior that's what I try to focus on everyday. Dreaming, OBE'ing, and Ld'ing to me isn't just a game but serious business just like this waking dream I'm in right now. My goal is to not let society and what most people thinks it takes to have a good life in this world (money, possesions) but instead focus on my spirit and energy and work to keep a balance and not get tied up by the drama of everyday life that holds so much of our attention in which keeps us chained to limited levels of awareness.
|
|
|
Post by nani on Nov 25, 2005 18:18:37 GMT -5
WOW so many deep amd detailed answers...
1. what was the most clear message for you?
that we can achieve control over our astral-body in this lifetime - if we wish and work on it.
2. what was not clear, what did confuse you?
first that CC was able to be pushed into this other-worlds-conditions, to see and act in this world, without drugs, spec. meditation or any exterior help. I didnt understand how the dimensions of reality can shift by themselves. Second, did Carol Tigges die? If so, then why? My problem is that I can not really translate the terms of expression they use, although Im reading it in german lol. Im still doubting that any independent being, be it an inorganic being, does want something of me - I can not relate to a neg. Maybe my believesystem is too strong or fixed - I believe, see and feel only higher developped and good beings around me..hm..? Although I must say, that some of my dreams did relate Very much, not only relate, they were dreams/experiences with independent beings - and the theme, yes, was to exchange energy - Im confused lol about that. The asemblage point, yes like Linda said, also for me could be a kind of "chakra-gathering-place" so this was not confusing. Also I could follow CCs developement from dream to LDs to AP, that just was a confirmation to what all I`ve read from you OBE-experienced guys - so I guess that finally its my missing OBEexperiences, which does lead me to not fully understand the content - or relate it better with my own dreams while reading-time. Maybe I can understand better a bit later.
3. what conclusions, if so, could you find?
First of all - it was a great group-work, I love that, thanks to you all. Soon I´ll take a bit of time and go through all the dreams I`ve had - with a bit of distance I maybe can find better the "red-thread" of it, I mean that what traverses the whole, like a commen link or so.
Wish you all a great time, lots of love, joy and inspiration, lgn
|
|
|
Post by zayin on Dec 19, 2005 1:39:17 GMT -5
www.whalemedical.com/ap1.htmlWow, haha. Here is something interesting I found. An assemblage point doctor. The guy says that he can make radiometric images of the assemblage point
|
|
|
Post by crazycat on Dec 19, 2005 3:28:03 GMT -5
That was very interesting and I thank you for posting that. Now I feel like I know what the assemblage point is LOL! Thanks!
I bet that machine cost a lot of money. Hehe.
I wish I new if my assemblange point is align right.
The chakra info on that site was good as well. I learned a lot from that site. Thanks again for posting it. I'll be gibving you a blessing point Hehe! ;D
|
|
|
Post by zayin on Dec 19, 2005 3:55:35 GMT -5
No problem Linda. If you are interested in learning more about the AP, and other CC concepts there is a forum that is dedicated to the path. There are alot of members, and very good articles to read. That is where I found the link. Allthough IMO that doctor AP link is a sham, trying to take advantage of people who want to develop awareness. There isn't any machine that can do it, really it defeats the whole purpose. It might be able to move your AP, but that isn't the trick, the trick is moving it at will, and having the energy to keep it there. Anyways here is the link if you want to check it out. www.toltecnagual.com/board/index.php?op=forum
|
|
|
Post by crazycat on Dec 19, 2005 4:05:07 GMT -5
Thanks again. That board looks interesting.
|
|
|
Post by zayin on Dec 19, 2005 4:07:09 GMT -5
No prob, I suggest reading the 'Gems along the path' section, and the articles by Kristopher Raphael. There is alot of good reading in the forum boards too, however there is also some civil war, that I recommend staying clear of.
|
|
|
Post by crazycat on Dec 19, 2005 14:49:28 GMT -5
Ok! I'll stay clear of that civil war! I haven't had time to check it out yet. Thanks
|
|
|
Post by leannain on Dec 19, 2005 15:28:28 GMT -5
what book?
|
|
|
Post by zayin on Dec 19, 2005 22:47:50 GMT -5
Oh we did a book study, reading Carlos Castaneda's book 'The Art of Dreaming'. It was avery good book, and a great study.
|
|
|
Post by zayin on Dec 20, 2005 1:03:19 GMT -5
Crazycat, There are sorcerers there. Powerful ones. my gawd.
|
|
|
Post by leannain on Dec 20, 2005 1:16:42 GMT -5
Oh we did a book study, reading Carlos Castaneda's book 'The Art of Dreaming'. It was avery good book, and a great study. ah i see. thanks
|
|
|
Post by crazycat on Dec 20, 2005 2:55:20 GMT -5
Scarey huh? Hehe! ;D
|
|