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Post by Lena on Apr 26, 2006 15:33:57 GMT -5
Thanks for encouragement Yes, I agree about trying different techniques. My problem is I tend to jump all over the place, so having this class to hold my focus on one specific thing is very nice...As for dream conversion, yeah, I have the same problem sometimes...but I think it has to do with a level of awareness in dreams too. For instance, if your level of clarity and detail in a dream is good, it's easier to hold on the the dream environment, instead of fading away. For me, I found that I don't differentiate between dream and AP when I'm sleeping, so when I become aware, I just know I'm in the astral, regardless whether I'm AP or in a dream. You know what I mean? I think, honestly, it doesn't make a difference either way. What does is a level of awareness...I have this dream where I'm trying to project from some place other than my apartment, like my old house lol I'm thinking the next step for me is to realize that I don't actually live in all those places I'm trying to project from...And think to my daily life, remember where I really do live, and who the heck I am lol So I assume an easy way to be aware in a trance is to stay aware while falling asleep...Actually, that's probably a part of this technique, concentrating on the heart, just helps you keep your focus on something, while your body drifts to sleep. Well, I can't wait to try it again tonight, my boyfriend is not spending the night, so nothing to distract me. I'll set the alarm to wake up three times during the night, and then drift back off to sleep, while trying to stay aware. I think that'll bring me some interesting results, plus I'll be able to remember more dreams.
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Post by crazycat on Apr 26, 2006 19:09:05 GMT -5
So I assume an easy way to be aware in a trance is to stay aware while falling asleep...Actually, that's probably a part of this technique, concentrating on the heart, just helps you keep your focus on something, while your body drifts to sleep. Well, I can't wait to try it again tonight, my boyfriend is not spending the night, so nothing to distract me. I'll set the alarm to wake up three times during the night, and then drift back off to sleep, while trying to stay aware. I think that'll bring me some interesting results, plus I'll be able to remember more dreamsYes.
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Post by osiris on Apr 27, 2006 17:26:28 GMT -5
Hope you guys are coming along well? I recieved the e-mail information for the week three courses and just wondered how everything is going.
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Post by crazycat on Apr 27, 2006 18:05:44 GMT -5
It's going Ok with me, but I think I'm going to need to take the Searching Within another time before I go on to the next one. I took the Astral Travel one three times, but the first two times I didn't get to finish them for verious reasons.
Osiris, if you are getting the e-mail then it is showing your are registered. Where not able to get a reply from anyone about not being able to login? There was a lot of people having that problem.
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Post by Lena on Apr 28, 2006 13:41:20 GMT -5
It's going ok. Concentrating on the heart seems like a good technique in theory, but for some reason, I haven't had much luck with. There is noooo way I'm repeating this course..Ha ha Can you tell I'm getting a little impatient already?? I will keep trying all the different techniques week by week, maybe it's a good way to practice different ones and see which ones work the best for me. Thanks for asking, Osiris Linda, how's that Searching Within going?? What kind of topics have you been learning so far? Did you get the book yet that goes with it?? Hey if you want to take it another time, that's great. I'll be taking it next after Astral Travel and Dreams. Unless, there is something more fun that comes up
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Post by osiris on Apr 30, 2006 13:57:13 GMT -5
We should have our own course that we do. other worlds how to project...lol. Anyways Lena why are you getting impatient? Because you dont see the affects fast enough? Or is it just boring?
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Post by Lena on Apr 30, 2006 17:55:40 GMT -5
I have a magnet on my refrigerator that says: "He who knows patience knows peace", and I don't get tired of reading it, because I need a constant reminder That's another reason I AM taking the course, keeps me from jumping all over the place, and trying too many things at once. My answer is I do want to have a conscious projection and I want it NOW I tried the heart technique again, and I definitely feel some energy sensations after a while..That means it's working on some level, right?? I hope so
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Post by crazycat on Apr 30, 2006 20:40:05 GMT -5
I think so. Lena, you made another post which took place with another triple number, this time 555. BTW, the first post on this page was by you at 333.
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Post by crazycat on May 2, 2006 16:06:36 GMT -5
I have pretty much lost interest in doing the Searching Within course. I have been too critical of myself lately as is without all this concentration upon negative egos. I am begininng to see the negative in people all around me more and more and it's getting to me. All these year I have tried hard to just look upon the good in peoples only. I guess it's just me, but to pay attention/concentrate upon negative just causes it to have more power. I guess I just like seeing my world through roses glasses, just seeing the good. I don't even want to hear about the bad, that's why I never watch the news.
It's like if I never look upon the bad and acknowledge it's existence is it really there? Besides that I believe that what you keep your mind stayed upon is what your create. So if I look for negative egos with every emotion or thought that comes forth, I will be sure to find plenty and they will eventually materialize if I think upon them enough. That's how reality creation works. You can create the bad just as well as the good depending upon what you allow you mind to stay upon. So that is why everything in me is resisting what this course is teaching. I've already been down that road and don't feel I need to go back again.
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Post by osiris on May 2, 2006 18:17:48 GMT -5
Dont search for the ego in others find your own and eliminate it. I know that is hard to do because once you notice yourself it opens the door to see other people.
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Post by crazycat on May 2, 2006 21:30:07 GMT -5
You don't understand, looking for them in myself causes them to be created in me and then I see them in others. You cannot see in someone else what is not in yourself. That why the saying 'it takes one to know one' came to be. The way I see it, dwelling upon looking for negative causes it to be created. So to eliminate them, one should just cease to creating them by thinking them into existence. How else would you eliminate them? Shoot a psi ball at them and blow them to bits. Everywhere there is light there is not darkness. The light causes the dark to cease. As long as your are keeping your mind upon the positive the negative will not be created in you or others. I do not go around looking for the negative in others, so why would I not treat my self as well and not look for it in myself. Dwelling upon the negative just creates more negative. Dwelling upon the positive creates more positive. That Searching Within course teaches to be aware within as well of the the world around you. So for, they have not said anything about how to eliminate egos. The way I understand it we cannot not eliminate our negative side ourselves, for as long as we are in this dualist world we will continue to be both negative and positive. The only way to keep that negative under control is to summit it to the Christ and let the Christ rule over you. BTW, the people on that course are equating the egos the same as the 7 deadly sins. I am curious to know how actually they are eliminating them. If it's not by allowing Christ to rule over you or even reality creation, the only other thing I can think of is by magic. Surely they don't have a mantra or some such thing for that? In the days before Jesus Christ, people sacrifice a poor animal. So why not have a Searching Within course that dwells upon and teaches how to see and be more positive? Then the neg side would not be so provident and controling in the first place.
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Post by Lena on May 3, 2006 0:07:44 GMT -5
Linda, I totally see what you are saying. That's been my issue too..In Astral Projection and Dream course, there is a whole chapter dealing with negs and how to protect yourself from them. Seriously, I'm afraid that I'll be seeing negs after reading that chapter...not so concerned with actually protecting myself, but brining them to life by concentrating on them. So I see you've been reading your new book. Another issue I've been struggling with a lot lately is how can you think positively about something, when you see only negative in your life..You know what I mean?? I find that very hard. I understand the concept of reality creation and bringing your desires to life. However, from everything I'm seeing, the world embraces a whole different philosophy. It's very simple, everything depends on what you do..SIMPLE ACTION = RESULT It's so basic and logical, sometimes I doubt anything else matters...Well, I'm in a bad mood, so maybe that's why.
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Post by Lena on May 3, 2006 0:13:53 GMT -5
Something else I wanted to mention is to what extent do you acknowledge your negative thoughts and feelings? I mean they are there, right? Seth and Abraham don't say that you should deny your negative thoughts, you should see that they are there. On the other hand, a lot of psychology schools and philosophies advise to delve into them, in order to better understand them, and eliminate them. Seth also says there is no division in the mind, so they can't be separate entities, such as egos. According to him and Abraham, they are nothing but blocks, limitations that exist, but not buried deep or by any mean inaccessible. So yeah, not sure how much of what I wrote makes sense, but those are the things I've been wondering lately. Some say my problem is I overcomplicate life.
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Post by crazycat on May 3, 2006 4:08:06 GMT -5
The way I see it Lena is that we have to have the ego. Without it we would not be conscious of being a separate self. The ego, super-ego, and id work together to control the body. Without them we would not experience consciousness. What the gnosis course is doing as far as I can see is instead of calling sin, sin or a negative aspects of our personality they have replaced the word sins with egos. Which make it rather confusing. I do believe we can use will power and positive thoughts to keep ourselves from willfully sinning/committing a negative action and keep some control, but we cannot eliminate that dark nature that causes these negative action to rise up. As far as I know, no human being has ever accomplished that, not even Buddha or Mohammad or even Gandhi. The only one who has is Jesus, but he was born without a dark nature, but was tempted unto death to pre take of the darkness/sin. I don't know how much you or anyone else here on the forum know of the Christian faith, for I think most are of the pagan way of life. All the animal sacrifices done up until Jesus appeared was a type of what was to come. He came into the world to stop that practice, he came to become the final sacrificial Lamb and to released the Christ spirit into all hearts (I believe that is all hearts, not just those who become of the Christians "faith"). That was his purpose for becoming human. Notice I said "faith" up there because I don't look at Christianity as a religion, but a way to live life. To me true Christianity isn't about following rituals and rules. The only rule we are given is to love all people as we love ourself. (Paraphrase of Golden Rule) All the other rules and rituals are there for you to choose or not choose to do however you see fit. As long as you are following that one rules all else falls into place. That is my Christian belief, not all Christians believe the same. LOL! My Christian belief is that my dark sinful nature has been put to death by faith in what Jesus did/provided. I now have eternal life and I am being ruled/controlled by the Christ Spirit and the Holy Spirit. In the eyes of the God I have been made perfect already for time to God does not exist, but I am still experiencing my sinful nature which has to be put to death daily, moment to moment as long as I'm still in the physical for time still exist for me right now. I don't know if you understand all that. LOL! I hope no one will be offended here by my stating my beliefs here. I did not do it for the purpose of trying to convert anyone, but only for the purpose so you can see where I'm coming from. That is why I no longer need to concentrate on my negative side for to me it has already been eliminated, put to death. I live by faith that only the Christ Spirit will go forth from me and be manifested in my moment to moment life. ( In a sense that is like magic too you know.) I do my best to live right by positive thinking which the bible does teach as something we are to practice. It also state that as long as we are in the physical we have to work toward doing good works, for faith without works is dead. It also states that what our minds are stayed upon is what will be manifested. All of that is my paraphrasing...LOL! So that is why I do believe in positive thinking and reality creation and see no need in concentrating on my dead "egos?" any longer. I got through that Astral Projection and Dream Course ok and the teaching on how to take care of the negs if they pop up is a good thing to know for someone who isn't a Christian, for a Christian calls upon the name of Jesus for that. Being a Christian isn't going to keep you from being hassled by a neg now and again. I believe they are out there even for a person who does not believe in them. The astral realm still has duality in it, just the same as the physical. Maybe some day enough of us will believe in our ability to create to the point that we can re-create it and the physical without duality. Monroe astral projected into the future and says we did finally accomplished that around the year 3000. Hehe! I hope so. Somehow I can believe that to be a possibility for the bible does say Christ spend 3 days in the bowels of hell setting the captives frees. Three days to God is 3000 years to us so hehe...we are in the last day, but that last day is going to be another 1000 years for us. The Christ doesn't have to come again for he has never left. He as been here for 2000 years setting up his Kingdom, creating his living Temple, the New Jerusalem, that city of gold. His bride, his other half? His dark side transformed? That's us, we are all of that. The dwelling place of God. That last paragraph is just some personal thoughts/possibilities.
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Post by crazycat on May 3, 2006 21:41:29 GMT -5
I feel like such a wishy washy nincompoop! I got up today feeling I should give the gnostic web course another try and not be so critical this time. I'm glad I did. Week four's lesson is more on the upbeat, how to improve your intuition. Also, really helped in my understanding more about the egos.... Apparently week three was for the purpose of getting a person frustrated. Hehe! Anyways I'm back with it and feeling better about the whole thing now.
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Post by bezjak on May 4, 2006 13:39:16 GMT -5
Interesting....thought provoking.
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Post by osiris on May 5, 2006 13:57:36 GMT -5
I do understand that the ego is more easily controlled when you avoid negative things and people. But how will you eliminate the negative that you already have in you if you do not open up and see yourself? I guess we think differantly in this area but we are actually saying the same things. I prefer to see all sides of someone and by looking at myself it allows that. But that does not mean im looking for the negative in anyone. I am looking for all. Just the fact that someone is human has a soul and has the ability to be enlightened is enough to override the negative for me. Besides now that i notice all things its up to me how i let it affect me if at all. I do not believe that you have to have that particular negative in you (it is there in all of us) to be able to see it in someone else. It just allows me to see things comeing well ahead of time and that far outways the seeing all negative in people. Yes i do agree we need ego. The way it is explained in gnosis i feel is a bit overdone. We need to get rid of the demons we have in us is a way i prefer to say it. Unless of course you like that particular Demon.
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Post by crazycat on May 5, 2006 19:22:49 GMT -5
That does make sense the way you have out there, Osiris. Thanks.
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Post by Lena on May 11, 2006 17:09:11 GMT -5
So week 5, becoming lucid in dreams. I had a small success already, but I got involved in some...uhem...sexual urges. I'll try again tonight, will try to go from there to the lighthouse to meet with you guys.
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Post by osiris on May 14, 2006 19:25:31 GMT -5
Umm if you need to take those urges out on someone its a rough job but i volunteer . What does the class teach you guys to pay attention to so you can become lucid in your dreams? Also i wondered how is it recommended to get into the trance state? Im getting tired of not being able to project so i have made it priority #1 until i get bored or until i do it. lol It sounds like you guys have come along way i look forward to taking the class next. Or i could just go over all the notes you guys pointed me to and do it myself but whats the fun of that?
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