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There is a little bad in the best of us and a little good in the worst of us
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Post by blank on Aug 16, 2006 6:13:02 GMT -5
Dancing Bear they war between those two is really messed up but it would almost be a new thread, if you look at the map www.infoplease.com/atlas/middleeast.html you'll see that afganistan is on the far right iraq is mid-left and iran is smack in the middle isreal is not part of the iran fan club and strangly back in the initial invasion of iraq, iran war labeled as an "axis of evil" to be honest I think it's a matter of greed mixed with the right power. With the allegations that have emerged recently there is little doubt that oil will never come down and a lot more people are gonna die in order to line the rich peoples pockets. But enough I am not too keen to take this thread off topic it's a rather interesting read. So If you havn't been part of organised religion for some time Crazy Cat, how would you describe yourself spritually/religiously speaking? Elvenlady I think thats it's humman nature to divide to make one's self superior to another which is where organised religion profits the most really, while "underground" places such as here allow for freedom of expression, there is no-one here collecting tithings dispite this site is run at lilacs expense (as far as I know) How do we divide spirituallity and religion, we can't without sinking to the level of thinking we are better then them. While the core is the same it's the manmade ideals and structure that make up the church, It's always been a puzzle to me as to why people build these elaborate churches while jesus never build a single one. Is it a need for order and structure or another method for showing off? church meetings should be held out doors in the creation of god not confiened to the building of man.
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Post by crazycat on Aug 16, 2006 13:23:29 GMT -5
So If you havn't been part of organised religion for some time Crazy Cat, how would you describe yourself spritually/religiously speaking?Well for the past 16 or so years I have not join myself to any religious group. The church I belong to last, spilt and as far as I was concerned died for neither of the splits were desirable to me. I had belonged to two other church organization before that. All three of these I was led by spirit there to serve as a teacher of the children. After the split, I was not led to join another church, so have been of no religion since. Actually, when I was going to these church I did not feel a member of the organization so to speak, but have always considered myself a member of the living church of Jesus Christ that is not make of stone but our body itself is the temple. Well not always, just since 1978 when spirit begin a work in me big time. As far any oraganizsation, I would have to classify myself as a Preterist. I did not know my beliefs line up with this organization until just a couple of years ago. Hehe! I did not know they existed, until then. Then but back in the 80's I had read a book by David Chilton and what he wrote in his book lined up with what spirit had revealed to me. I was estatic to find someone who believe the same as me. ;D Well I just got another big surprise just now. I was looking up a website on Preterist to post in case you wanted to check out more of how I believe and guess what I found out? David Chilton is a Preterist. I did not know that. His book Paradise Lost is free to read on the net. Man, I paid $50 for that book, back there in the 80's. It has been one of my most treasured books. www.freebooks.com/docs/21de_47e.htmI feel I am still being lead by spirit and am where I am suppose to be. I have been led this year to study gnostism and am finding it very interesting. I don't know yet how gnostism will line up with Preterism, but I will find out. Oh! one other thing I want to mention. When Ronni first started this forum she posted a religious test to see what religious organization your beliefs would be the closest to and mine matched up to the Bahá'í Faith. Hehehehehahahaha! ;D I don't think Preterist was listed.
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Post by Dancing Bear on Aug 16, 2006 17:04:41 GMT -5
I did a study on Bahai faith, limited to the cermonial wedding. but what i found it was a lovely faith..
Yes I agree Blank another whole thread would be needed for the war situation.. The whole thing is absolutely mad.
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Post by Dancing Bear on Aug 21, 2006 6:09:07 GMT -5
With the past lives thing.. More than likely my soul has had an incarnation that was dreadful, and horrible. But we must realise it is a souls incarnation, Not spirit, and the spirit is me who i am today.. Dancing Bear who has never been dreadful or horrible, ( hubby begs to differ LOL) It is the souls Journey NOT Dancing Bears..So if these type of things come my way is is helping my soul to advance learn to Love and Forgive.. It really is like a completely separate part of us when we start talking reincarnation.. My soul has had a lifetime called Asha in India she was a sweet but troubled girl, the Souls lessons i am dealing with this lifetime are stemming from Ashas lifetime.she did not live long enough to deal with them. Asha is not me nor have i been her.. we have just shared a soul on its journey.. It is a beautiful Soul , Kind and gentle and i feel very blessed i have on its journey this lifetime.. My personality(spirit) has enabled this soul to be expressed to nearly its full potential ( still a little more work to be done).. It was explained to me once by my grandmother.. She said life and the souls journey was like a cars..
The body of the car is our flesh and blood.. the engine is our spirit (the personality of the car) who keeps it all going, who has free will ( if it is going to start or not ), the driver is our soul who moves onto a different vehicle once this one dies.. we can choose to start up and go where our soul steers us or we can choose to go a different direction, and run off of the road if we like.. but as she also says this is not a dress rehearsal, we get one shot at it ( meaning i will only ever be ME once )
It took me a while to wrap my mind around it all.. It does sound as thought the soul is no part of us.. It was the only way i could describe the souls journey. to take away the intimate relationship we have with our soul and it is most definately is part of us and it makes up part of us too! so in a way i have a a part of Asha within,But i must always remember when dealing with reincarnation i am not them nor they me.
I suppose it whether we see ourselves as a spiritual being having a human experience or a human having a spiritual experience.
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Post by crazycat on Aug 21, 2006 17:02:31 GMT -5
I agree with you here pretty much Dancing Bear. We have are all three parts. I have a couple of books by Peter Novak which really explains this in depth. What he expands on goes along with what the gnosis people teach as well. Hehe! also the bible too, the way I understand the bible, anyways.
From Peter Novak's book: "The Division of Consciousness: The Secret Afterlife of The Human Phyche"
The Original Unity: When we first first began on the wheel of life the spirit and the soul are so intertwined it is not possible to tell where one ended and the other began; neither was any more conscious or unconscious than the other.
The Fall: Creation of the uncoscious: Then the Spirit asserted dominance, becoming more fully Conscious, and separating from and subjugating the Soul into unconsciousness.
Creation and Dynamics of the Wall/veil: The Spirit's efforts to push down the Soul and reject input created a wall-like barrier between them, completely preventing Soul input from reaching the Spirit. The more the Conscious Spirit rejected the Unconscious Soul, the heavier and thicker the wall became.
Movement Through the Wall: The wall was like a one way door--data flowed freely from Spirit to Soul, but encountered severe resistance going from Soul to Spirit.
Formation of the Subconscious: When the Soul recieved data from Spirit, it automatically reponds by generating data to be released back to spirit. Finding itself unable to pass through the wall, however, this material became stuck in the middle. It formed a pocket of soul-material in the center of the wall which was not as conscious at the Conscious Spirit, but also not as unconscious as the the Unconscious Soul. this was recognized in the 20th century, and labeled the personal Subsonscious.
Personal Memory: Data from Spirit to Soul also became trapped in these pockets to store memory records. Hmmmm??? could this be the askaskic records/Hall of Records/book of Life.
The System Partially Self-Corrects: As the wall was stretched thinner around these pockets, some free movement of data could again flow from them into the Conscious Spirirt, allowing the Spirit access to it's memories stored in the Soul-pocket. Since these pockets were formed of Soul-material, in this way a limited degree of input from the Primordial Soul to the Conscious Spirit was restored.
Death: At physical death, the wall suffers convulsive spasms, squeezing out the pocket of Soul-material.
The Soul-Pockets Fall into the Pit: Separating from the wall, but still encased in a small coating of the wall material, the pocket of Soul-material finds itself surrounded by the Primendial Soul, having lost all contact with the Spiritl Cut off from the energizing input of the spirit, these Soul-Pockets dry up, Shriveling and shrinking into themselves, and fall to the bottom of the Unconsconscious Primordial Soul.
A new life (reborn physically) starts the process all over again.
Formation of the Collective Unconscious: Over many lifetimes, (Gnosis sites teach we have 108 of them) Many discarded Soul-pockets accumulate on the murky bottom of the Primordail Soul, congealing into a partially unified mass. I think this may be considered our "beast" within...hehe!
Gradual Distortion of the Soul-Spirit Balance: Since these Soul-pockets were formed out of soul-material which had been meant to be released into the Conscious Spirit but which the Spirit did not recieve, the Conscious Spirit shrinks a little with the formation of each new Soul-pocket, while the Unconscious Primordial Soul grows.
Judgement Day: When the Spirit's artifically-created wall finally breaks down, some of the discarded Soul-pockets will rise up immediately into the Conscious Spirit, playing havoc with the Spirit's sense of identity. Other Soul Pockets will remain below until finally exciting in a burst of light and power. (Going by Revelations the beast is released from the pit first and is dwelt with)
The pink is my personally added comments.
The illustations leave off there, but the next chapter is about how the man Jesus successed in making the two one, thus forming a new type of ascended being.
So, what is heaven and hell, is both located within a person.
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Post by Dancing Bear on Aug 21, 2006 20:38:42 GMT -5
Personal Memory: Data from Spirit to Soul also became trapped in these pockets to store memory records. Hmmmm??? could this be the askaskic records/Hall of Records/book of Life.
Could Be CC, Some call it the higher self.
Formation of the Collective Unconscious: Over many lifetimes, (Gnosis sites teach we have 108 of them) Many discarded Soul-pockets accumulate on the murky bottom of the Primordail Soul, congealing into a partially unified mass. I think this may be considered our "beast" within...hehe!
LOL!! Yes or our Karmic past life lessons needing to be sorted and addressed.
The Soul-Pockets Fall into the Pit: Separating from the wall, but still encased in a small coating of the wall material, the pocket of Soul-material finds itself surrounded by the Primendial Soul, having lost all contact with the Spiritl Cut off from the energizing input of the spirit, these Soul-Pockets dry up, Shriveling and shrinking into themselves, and fall to the bottom of the Unconsconscious Primordial Soul.
I am learning that this is in part some of the residual energy that we can pick up sometimes of a passed over energy.
Gradual Distortion of the Soul-Spirit Balance: Since these Soul-pockets were formed out of soul-material which had been meant to be released into the Conscious Spirit but which the Spirit did not recieve, the Conscious Spirit shrinks a little with the formation of each new Soul-pocket, while the Unconscious Primordial Soul grows.
Unforntunately there are many of these people who walk around with this happening, and or happened, And yet totally oblivious to it all...
When the Spirit's artifically-created wall finally breaks down, some of the discarded Soul-pockets will rise up immediately into the Conscious Spirit, playing havoc with the Spirit's sense of identity. Other Soul Pockets will remain below until finally exciting in a burst of light and power. (Going by Revelations the beast is released from the pit first and is dwelt with)
Some cases i think the beast has already been released LOL!
But this is the main reason i like to help with past lives because it helps tap into these residual karmic lessons left from past lives and present.. It allows them to open and to be worked with and then left open. So Soul and Spirit mould better and become one for an experience of a lifetime..
Thanks CC i have never read anything on it before, i have just gone by what i have exerienced and learnt over the years and it is good to know there are others who also know the same truth..
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Post by crazycat on Aug 22, 2006 0:49:13 GMT -5
Quote Dancing Bear: But this is the main reason i like to help with past lives because it helps tap into these residual karmic lessons left from past lives and present.. It allows them to open and to be worked with and then left open. So Soul and Spirit mould better and become one for an experience of a lifetime.. I believe that astral projection can be used as a tool for this same thing. One can go within and heal and set their own soul selves free from the karmic residual. It is a great thing Dancing Bear that you have such a gift to help others in that way. www.afterlife-knowledge.com/faq.htmlBruce A. Moen You may be interested in this guys website and his teachings. He teaches soul retrival. You may find some helpful wisdom there to help you in what you are doing.
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Post by Dancing Bear on Aug 22, 2006 22:54:41 GMT -5
Thankyou so much CC, I would never have thought astral projection could do the same thing,, very interesting CC. How would it work in astral projection?? I am not familiar with OBE's astral projection etc.. I only know Lucid myself. Thanks for the site I will give it a read over the next couple of days, You never know i may learn something new, Dancing Bear
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Post by crazycat on Aug 23, 2006 2:03:30 GMT -5
Everynight when we sleep and fall into a dream scene, we are in the astral realm. When we become conscious that we are in a dream scene, this is lucid dreaming. When we find ourselves conscious in the dream scene, at that point we can take control and leave the dream scene itself and experience the actual astral realm. You can also have an Inner-body-experience where one goes within an experience their own past lives. I have not had a personal experience of this, but have read about other peoples experiences. One experience I had may have been one, but I'm not real sure. Going by Monroe and others, some souls, when they pass over do not realize they are dead and become stuck so to speak and not move on. When you are conscious in the astral and come in contact with these souls, you can help them to realize that their physical body has died and by doing so help them to move on. I do not know for myself how true this is either for I have not experience this either. LOL! Just going by what I have read again. Maybe some day I can have an experience of this and find out for myself. Also, these same peoples say you can tell the difference in those who have no physical body and those who are walking around in the astral in an unconscious state of mind. This is called the Real-Time-Zone (RTZ) I think. Some times I think maybe I have not experienced astral projection because I have not experienced any of that. My experiences seem to be more like I am in some parallel dimension where things are similar to this dimemsion, but things are twisted around with differences but not that different than this physical dimension. It seems like I am experiencing for a time some other parallel self of myself, if that make any sense. A lot of it is still very confusing to me. Several of mine have been involved with a lady I call my rose lady. I have experienced being in her body and another time found my self in her home thinking it was my home. What is really strange about this is I have seen this lady at a store here where I live in the real, in this physical dimension. I freaked out. If I had it to do over again I would try to get to know her. At times I think maybe it wasn't real, that maybe I had somehow slipped into her dimension for a moment that day. I forgot to mention, but this lady is handicapped, in a wheel chair, most of the times I've seen her, even that day in this dimension's scene.
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Post by bezjak on Aug 23, 2006 12:47:50 GMT -5
Fascinating stuff.....
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