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Post by watchman11 on Apr 22, 2006 6:45:52 GMT -5
This is a stripped down version of an assignment I had planned to give on the lesson dealing with full chart analysis. Normally, we should process a bunch of different personality-related Numbers (like our inner drive, the image of us we show to people, and so on) but since we’re going to detail it in the next lesson, I’m going to pack up all the identical numbers in the following example, no matter where they come from. This will make up a very simplified chart in which I’ll only tell you if each number from 1 to 9 is lacking, balanced or over-represented. I’ll give you a few recipes for analysing a chart later, now, just rely on your intuition.
You’ll find below Donald Rumsfled's rough chart as well as quotes or elements of his biography. I’ll ask you to try to justify them with the way number are represented in the chart. You can use one or a couple of numbers for every answer. For example :
quote #x : lack of 2 (insensitive), lots of 3 (superficial)
I want to make it clear they were not chosen to praise or poke fun at D.R. but to illustrate how numbers can explain people’s mindsets. I’ll ask you to remain as objective as possible in your justification no matter what you may feel about his stances. The quotes were taken from the net. I didn't alter them.
Reminder
- too little of a number : positive qualities lacking
- too much of it : negative qualities emphasized
Note : you’ll notice D.R. has 9 both lacking and dominating. It's not an error. I’ll explain how come it’s possible in the lesson. Here we go… Also reading the post on Master Numbers (L2, post #3).
Donald Rumsfled (US defense secretary, 2001-…)
Chart
Master numbers : 22/4, 11/2
Lacking numbers : 1, 2, 9
Balanced Numbers : 5, 6, 7, 8
Dominating numbers : 3, 4, 9
Quotes/bio excerpts to justify with numbers
1) "Beware when any idea is promoted primarily because it is "bold, exciting, innovative, and new." There are many ideas that are "bold, exciting, innovative and new," but also foolish."
2) "I don't do diplomacy."
3) "Stuff happens." (April 2003, commenting on the looting, rioting and general mayhem that followed the fall of Baghdad)
4) "If you waited until you could do everything before you did anything, you probably would end up doing nothing."
5) "If you are not criticized, you may not be doing much."
6) Corporate Connections/Business Interests
.Gilead Sciences pharmaceutical company: Chairman (until 2001)
·General Instrument Corporation: Chairman and CEO (1990-93)
·G.D. Searle pharmaceutical company: CEO/Chairman/President (1977-1985)
·Bechtel Corporation: Was involved in Iraq-Bechtel negotiations in the 1980s on a pipeline project
·Gulfstream Aerospace: Former director
·Tribune Company: Former director
·Metricom, Inc.: Former director
·Sears, Roebuck and Co.: Former director
·ABB AB: Former director
(one answer for the whole batch of jobs he occupied)
7) "Well, Dick, calibrate me, but the first thing I'd say is I don't believe you have the war plan -- (laughter) -- a fact which does not make me unhappy. (Laughter.)"
"I mean, let's face it. They weren't exactly baking cookies in those caves."
The BBC Radio 4 current affairs program Broadcasting House had been so taken by Rumsfeld's various remarks that it once held a regular slot called "The Donald Rumsfeld Soundbite of the Week" in which they played his most amusing comment from that week. Rumsfeld himself is said to have found the slot "hilarious."
The response to the question lasted for about an hour and the soldiers present gave Rumsfeld a standing ovation after the speech.
(one answer)
8) Rumsfeld responded to a soldier's comments about inferior military equipment by saying "you go to war with the army you have," a comment some characterized as needlessly cold.
There was also criticism about his use of a signature machine to sign the condolence letters to the families of the soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan (rather than signing the letters personally, as President Bush does).
"(Cluster bombs are) being used on frontline al Qaeda and Taliban troops to try to kill them is why we're using them, to be perfectly blunt."
(one answer)
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Post by watchman11 on Apr 22, 2006 6:50:58 GMT -5
Same assignment featuring Frank Sinatra. You can pick the one which inspires you more or do both if you're motivated.
Frank Sinatra's Chart
Master numbers : 22/4
Lacking numbers : 4, 5, 6, 7, 8
Balanced Numbers : n/a
Dominating numbers : 1, 2, 3, 9
Quotes
1) Frank Sinatra was an American singer who is considered one of the finest vocalists of all time, renowned for his impeccable phrasing and timing. Many critics place him alongside Bing Crosby, Elvis Presley, and The Beatles as the most important popular music figures of the 20th century. [1]
2) Sinatra launched a second career as a dramatic film actor, and became
admired for a screen persona distinctly tougher than his smooth singing style
He played a crazed, coldblooded assassin determined to kill the President in the thriller Suddenly; critics found Sinatra's performance one of the most chilling portrayals of a psychopath ever committed to film.
3) Sinatra disliked women who smoke or drink too much or who wear heavy perfume.
4) He wanted to be a reporter. When told by the editor that copy boys "don't know enough to be reporters," Frank went to a secretarial school and enrolled in a Journalism class, studying English, typing, and shorthand. Finally, the editor relented and made Frank a cub sports reporter. Frank covered various school games he actually played himself. He was 18 years old at the time.
5) He was a favorite of the media due to his alleged mob ties
(…), Sinatra's youngest daughter Tina would state that Sinatra and mob figure Sam Giancana had helped get Kennedy win a crucial primary election in 1960 by helping to deliver the union vote.
Sinatra would lose his Nevada casino license in 1963 when Giancana was seen in the Cal-Neva Lodge casino, of which Sinatra was a part owner
6) By the early 1960s, he was a big enough star to start his own record label: Reprise Records. His position with the label earned him the long-lasting nickname "The Chairman of the Board".
7) Sinatra played a major role in the desegregation of Nevada hotels and casinos in the 1960s. Sinatra led his fellow members of the Rat Pack in refusing to patronize hotels and casinos that denied service to Sammy Davis Jr., a black man.
8) In 1971, the Motion Picture Academy awarded him the Jean Hersholt Humanitarian Award for his many charitable deeds. He received the Kennedy Center Life Achievement Award in 1983 and the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 1985. In 1987, Sinatra was awarded a Lifetime Achievement Award by the N.A.A.C.P
9) Never quite knowing if he wanted serious relations or total freedom, he seemed at this time to develop an allergy to the word "marriage."
10) Hated mathematics.
11) Always hated cops. With some of his first wages from the Jesey Observer, Frank bought new clothes. While parading them around in Hoboken, the cops saw them and wanted to know were he got them from. "Ya copper, what's it to you?" he said to them. When they got through with him he was torn, tattered, and a bloddy mess; ribs cracked, his nose smashed, and his face and body horribly swollen. From that day on, all authority has sent him a little berserk!
12) During filming of his movies, Sinatra insisted on one or two takes. This had led to careless, even shoddy productions. A clear example of this can be seen in 1970's Dirty Dingus Magee.
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Post by watchman11 on Oct 14, 2006 14:33:21 GMT -5
Answer (For Dunald Rhumsfeld)
A) Chart
Master numbers : 22/4, 11/2
Lacking numbers : 1, 2, 9
Balanced Numbers : 5, 6, 7, 8
Dominating numbers : 3, 4, 9
B) Quotes/bio excerpts to justify
1) "Beware when any idea is promoted primarily because it is "bold, exciting, innovative, and new." There are many ideas that are "bold, exciting, innovative and new," but also foolish."
]Distrust of novelty, it's the typical expression of strong 4's.
2) "I don't do diplomacy."
Lack of 2, the diplomatic/compromising number, which could otherwise have mitigated the heavy load of 3 (self-expression) and the commanding 11 and 22.
3) "Stuff happens." (April 2003, commenting on the looting, rioting and general mayhem that followed the fall of Baghdad)
I'd associate his carelessness about the events with the lack of 9 that makes it hard to feel compassion for people one doesn't feel close to.
4) "If you waited until you could do everything before you did anything, you probably would end up doing nothing."
An urge to get things done. Can be attributed to the excess of 4 and his 22.
5) "If you are not criticized, you may not be doing much."
This way of boldly discarding criticism shows strong assertiveness or egotism depending on where you set the limit. It would usually be found in an excess of 1's but since they're lacking it ensues from his 11 and 22 that also tap in the 1 energies (among others) as stated on the Master number lesson.
I'm not adding 3, another expressive number, because I felt he rejected the whole concept of being criticized (which would fit 1, 11, 22) rather than criticism of his realizations (3).
6) Corporate Connections/Business Interests
.Gilead Sciences pharmaceutical company: Chairman (until 2001)
·General Instrument Corporation: Chairman and CEO (1990-93)
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All these director/ceo positions aren't surprising with a 22 in the chart (especially where it is but we'll discuss that another time).
7) "Well, Dick, calibrate me, but the first thing I'd say is I don't believe you have the war plan -- (laughter) -- a fact which does not make me unhappy. (Laughter.)"
"I mean, let's face it. They weren't exactly baking cookies in those caves."
The BBC Radio 4 current affairs program Broadcasting House had been so taken by Rumsfeld's various remarks that it once held a regular slot called "The Donald Rumsfeld Soundbite of the Week".......
Here, we have a inclination to entertain his audience with some success judging from the last 2 lines. That sounds a lot like someone with strong 3's.
8) Rumsfeld responded to a soldier's comments about inferior military equipment by saying "you go to war with the army you have," a comment some characterized as needlessly cold.
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There's still the influence of the lack of 9's (like in quote#3) as well as the cold-blooded brash pragmatism of 22/4.
I'll try to post the answer for F. Sinatra tomorrow, so I can move on to the next lesson/assignment.
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Post by watchman11 on Oct 17, 2006 18:22:31 GMT -5
Frank Sinatra's Chart
Master numbers : 22/4
Lacking numbers : 4, 5, 6, 7, 8
Balanced Numbers : n/a
Dominating numbers : 1, 2, 3, 9
Quotes
1) Frank Sinatra was an American singer who is considered one of the finest vocalists of all time, renowned for his impeccable phrasing and timing. Many critics place him alongside Bing Crosby, Elvis Presley, and The Beatles as the most important popular music figures of the 20th century. [1]
Here’s it’s mainly the heavy load of 3’s , the thoroughly creative number (I’ll post the complete chart later).
I’d also add a drive to stand out (solo singer) with the excess of 1 and to reach others with all his 9’s
2) Sinatra launched a second career as a dramatic film actor, and became
admired for a screen persona distinctly tougher than his smooth singing style He played a crazed, coldblooded assassin...
1 for the aggressive energy he could tap in and 22 because they have a propensity to feel comfortable on the dark/occult side.
3) Sinatra disliked women who smoke or drink too much or who wear heavy perfume.
I’d see the influence of a lot of sensitive 2 that's turned off by grossness.
Also the lack of 5 that would entail no indulgence in “earthly vices”
4) He wanted to be a reporter. When told by the editor that copy boys "don't know enough to be reporters," Frank went to a secretarial school and enrolled in a Journalism class, studying English, typing, and shorthand. Finally, the editor relented and made Frank a cub sports reporter. Frank covered various school games he actually played himself. He was 18 years old at the time.
22 the master builder, which gives tremendous energy and ressources and the right planning/vision for reaching the top.
1, ambitious, assertive.
5) He was a favorite of the media due to his alleged mob ties
(…), Sinatra's youngest daughter Tina would state that Sinatra and mob figure Sam Giancana had helped get Kennedy win a crucial primary election...
The first influence would be his 22 for the reason mentioned in 2) then the lack of 6 (not a big sense of responsibilities). The excess of 1 too to an extent.
6) By the early 1960s, he was a big enough star to start his own record label: Reprise Records. His position with the label earned him the long-lasting nickname "The Chairman of the Board".
22 that goes for power positions and getting things like companies off of the ground. 1 adds to the pioneering aspect of setting up and running his own thing.
7) Sinatra played a major role in the desegregation of Nevada hotels and casinos in the 1960s. Sinatra led his fellow members of the Rat Pack in refusing to patronize hotels and casinos that denied service to Sammy Davis Jr., a black man.
Good side of 9 in excess, not prejudiced against people, can’t stand injustice.
Excess of 2. Sensitive, also abhors unfairness (more toward individuals than groups, as opposed to 9 and its “universal” connection)
8) In 1971, the Motion Picture Academy awarded him the Jean Hersholt Humanitarian Award for his many charitable deeds. He received the Kennedy Center Life Achievement Award in 1983 and the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 1985. In 1987, Sinatra was awarded a Lifetime Achievement Award by the N.A.A.C.P
The humanitarian good facet of 9 and 22’s ability to get concrete things off the ground. 1 too for leadership/inspiring others (to get checks signed).
9) Never quite knowing if he wanted serious relations or total freedom, he seemed at this time to develop an allergy to the word "marriage."
Lack of 4 and 6 which are 2 commitment numbers.
Side Note : if you have trouble feeling where this sense of commitment comes from. You can picture a cliche family from a century ago. 4 would be the conservative, hard working father. 6 would be the devoted mother trying to make both ends meet while raising 10 kids. 4’s sense of commitment to the relationship would derive from respect of rules (marriage)/tradition/duty while that of 6 would be come from its concern for others (ready to sacrifice itself to make sure its dear ones are happy).
There’s also the excess of 1 (need for independence).
10) Hated mathematics.
We can see the 2 top numbers that we put into the analytical group, 4 and 7, lack in his chart. I see 4 having more weight here because it’s linked to pragmatical matters while 7 is usually more about “philosophical” ones. But 7’s can often get down to earth and do really well there too.
11) Always hated cops. With some of his first wages from the Jesey Observer, Frank bought new clothes. While parading them around in Hoboken, the cops saw them and wanted to know were he got them from. "Ya copper, what's it to you?" he said to them.
lack of 4 (respect of order/duty/laws)
excess of 1 for the boldness and 3 for the sarcastic tone.
12) During filming of his movies, Sinatra insisted on one or two takes. This had led to careless, even shoddy productions. A clear example of this can be seen in 1970's Dirty Dingus Magee.
I feel it was mainly his ego at work there so I’ll say too much of 1 and 3 whose combination can give a sense of superiority/self-satisfaction. (egotistical dark side of 1 and 3 expecting praises because it’s simply there)
I’ll also toss in the lack of 4 for carelessness.
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Post by watchman11 on Oct 30, 2006 3:34:08 GMT -5
A short last last assignment before moving on the the next lesson.
How to use the positive and negative keywords we defined to guess how a lack or an overload of that number is likely to be expressed in someone's chart? I just want 2 simple, general rules, not an example for every number.
ex: a lack of a number would translate as (...) keywords.
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Post by Dancing Bear on Oct 30, 2006 17:02:50 GMT -5
So would it mean Lack of Numbers would give it Negative Keywords with that number missing in the chart? Say 4's in Sinatras chart doe's have huge negative bearings to his life..., does a lack of balanced numbers also have a bearing? Are you able to post up the larger chart of Sinatra so I can see where the heavy load of 3's and 1's come into it? and understand a little more. Sorry to be a pain but i am trying to wrap my mind around all this,, I am fasinated with the master Numbers and their relation to the rest of the chart also... So what I mean is.... If Sinatra did not have 22 in his chart, would that have a bearing on the rest of his chart, Or do Master Numbers set the stage so to speak? I am applying Numerology to my readings tarot and Palm because i am seeing the link with them, and would love to learn more! Thanks watchman for your time  |
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Post by watchman11 on Oct 31, 2006 4:52:35 GMT -5
We'll get to work out Sinatra's full chart just after the next lessons that will give the methods for calculating the various number of a chart (I'll reply to your question about his 22 then), so I'm going to give the answer now. Too little of a number : positive qualities potentially lacking Too much of it : negative qualities potentially emphasized That is more valid when you're looking at a chart for counselling purposes or study cases of dysfunctional people (I promised ronni we'd look into serial killer cases and we will down the road). For someone further on their spiritual journey, having some heavy weight numbers (especially as "karmic numbers") can translate as they having put a harness on and tamed it and they can then draw much benefit from them. But then again, we all have lessons to work on so it's always good to keep an eye on it. Yes, balanced numbers are also interesting in that they rule out an option if you're looking for the roots of a harmful pattern. Usually Master numbers tend to lead the rest of the chart. But their effect can be less potent depending on where they fall. For example, as expression number or life path the person is likely to have to handle the extra "duties"/lessons master numbers theoretically entail, and will be pushed (through certain events) to have more responsibilities towards other people. While if you only have one as heart's desire, they may just stick to daydreaming about it or set overly high expectations on themselves and don't feel they do as much as they should if they can't tap somewhere else to back up their demanding master number (ex: a strong 1, 4, 6 or 8 that would bring a drive and ressources to get things accomplished). I would be interested to know how you use numerology in your readings. I do it too. I posted a spread on the main gypsy's tavern board. You're welcome, Dancing Bear. Your questions are always appreciated. |
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Post by Dancing Bear on Oct 31, 2006 6:48:10 GMT -5
We'll get to work out Sinatra's full chart just after the next lessons that will give the methods for calculating the various number of a chart (I'll reply to your question about his 22 then) OK I will be patient  So if the number is missing altogether it has more of a potential to have a large negative impact? What is too little or too much ? Yes master numbers intrigue me Only coz i have them and Karmic Numbers, Can you pick a killer this little lass in Australia will know also please when you get to that area ( as you can tell i am crawling ) Will you cover these at a later date OK i think you may need to explain a little more "Hearts desire" Etc... Is there already a thread covering all this? I will go read up while i am waiting on the next lesson. I will go have a look for the spread... Look i only know the basics of numerology, but what i do know i know it is very accurate when i need confirmation. I have a Numerology calculator in which gives me karmic and Master numbers.. then i do an astrological chart that backs it all up and gives another dimension on it all.. Then come the cards..it is all done separately then blended together.. Sometimes i add up the cards numbers in a spread to give me another number or 2 ,, I use majors, say the cards come to 21 well the xtra cards is the wheel, and then break that down again we get 3 & so on, If it comes out master number 11 i stick with that I not only use the tarot meanings but numerology also... I only do this to people i know coz strangers are funny giving out such private details..So far it has not failed me.. But as you see i really want to learn more to wrap my mind around because it is an accurate method.. and less taxing on the psychic abilities.. Cheers ! I will be patient and wait for the next lesson DB xxx |
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Post by watchman11 on Nov 1, 2006 8:43:34 GMT -5
OK I will be patient So if the number is missing altogether it has more of a potential to have a large negative impact? What is too little or too much ? I'd say it would have as negative an impact in both cases, but the way it's expressed will differ. One can see the numbers as a battery that supplies an electronic circuit (the environment) with energy. If a number is missing, the battery is depleted and the circuit may not have enough energy to work properly. If there's too much of the number, the battery may go in overload and damage the circuit. So overall, a lack of a number is more likely to affect the person within and make if difficult for them to adapt to their environment and too much of it would be felt by others by them going overboard. For example, lack of one (say if all your other numbers are balanced) gives a potential to have difficulties in asserting oneself. So the person may shun responsibilities, and end up having a sense of worthlessness. To much of 1 could on the contrary make the person rash and hurtful to others. We will see it all yes. As soon as the next lesson is posted, we'll study complete charts of famous people together. I know Part of what we've seen so far has been a little abstract but we're just playing around with numbers for now. We'll get down to business soon. Thanks for telling us how you make use of numbers in your readings. I never paid attention to card numbers in that regard. Sounds interesting. |
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Post by Dancing Bear on Nov 3, 2006 3:15:28 GMT -5
Thanks watchman I have been studying up on my numbers since... So i can follow along a bit better in the next lesson.. Not only have i been reading all of your older threads re; meanings of the numbers, but found a site in which i think it is pretty basic but to the point also.. I will give you the link If you think it will clash with what you will teaching say so and i will stop reading , as it is an Indian Numerology site.. Which may be a little different... www.sanatansociety.org/vedic_astrology_and_numerology.htm |
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Post by watchman11 on Nov 3, 2006 6:30:24 GMT -5
Thank you for the link, Dancing Bear. I had a quick look at the pages. Overall, their descriptions match ours closely.
I just noticed a sharp difference for 4. Especially : egocentric, unpredictable, rebellious and antagonistic. Brilliant and futuristic. Greedy and selfish yet generous. Impulsive, secretive, willing to work for a better world, utopian, difficult to understand and get close to. (...) Uniquely different.
In my book, 4's meaning relates to being a builder, as they say too, but on firm foundations. It's why it also stands for structure, order, attachment to one's roots/traditions. With quite a conservative and often unimaginative tone. You can link to the rune Odal or the 4th House in astrology to a lesser extent.
But what they add is a lot like the description of a 22 and since I didn't see an interpretation for master numbers, I'm wondering if they don't reduce them in their calculation. They may also reduce some of them inadvertedly depending on the method they use. We'll have a chapter about that in the next lesson.
So indian numerology (on this site) is just a different name for the western school we've started studying. They also have different names for numbers. Their psychic number will be birthday number for us, destiny number->life path,...
I'll post the next lesson this weekend.
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Post by watchman11 on Nov 8, 2006 16:09:51 GMT -5
I posted the lesson that details the first part of a chart (thread L3). You can work it out for one a more of these famous persons below. If you're interested in another one, let me know I'll try to find their data.
Woody Allen
Birth Name:Allen Stewart Konigsberg
Birthdate:12/1/1935
Frank Sinatra
Birth Name:Francis Albert Sinatra
Birthdate:12/12/1915
Bill Gates
Birth Name:William Henry Gates
Birthdate:10/28/1955
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Post by Dancing Bear on Nov 9, 2006 16:44:51 GMT -5
OK I have just seen this!! How long have i got ?? I will get cracking as soon as possible... |
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Post by watchman11 on Nov 9, 2006 17:51:49 GMT -5
There's not really a deadline.  |
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Post by Dancing Bear on Nov 10, 2006 3:29:02 GMT -5
Sounds good to me. |
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Post by Dancing Bear on Nov 10, 2006 3:59:49 GMT -5
A question i have, In feng shui and many other cultures and beliefs including my own..., when someone changes their name it can change the essence of them and their direction in life, so would i do a chart for Woody Allen and his birth name Allen stewart Konigsberg??? compare them and see what happens or just go by his birth name. for this exercise?
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Post by Dancing Bear on Nov 10, 2006 4:27:01 GMT -5
OK I have done the numbers for woody Allen, ( his birth name) I have not interpreted them yet!! Allen Stewart Konigsberg Life path 22/4 Birthday 1 Expression 14/5 Hearts desire 32/5 Personality 63/9 Maturity 9 karmic numbers Number....1...2....3....4.....5.....6....7....8....9 Average...3...1....2....1.....4.....2....1....1....3 Occ.........4...4....2....0.....6.....1....2....0....3 ..............O...O....B....L.....O.....U...O....L....B O = Over, 1, 2, 5, 7. B = balanced, 3, 9. L = lacking, 4, 8. U= under, 6 Ok now for the interpretation which will take me a little longer |
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Post by Dancing Bear on Nov 10, 2006 4:30:40 GMT -5
I have reduced 22 on his life path accidentially. I have read though if we do not live up to our master number we can actually live on the lower vibrational number in this case 4 if the 22 is too much to handle, Is this right ?
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Post by Dancing Bear on Nov 10, 2006 4:59:59 GMT -5
p.s have you got the info on Ghandi?? i reckon he would be interesting to do!!
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Post by watchman11 on Nov 11, 2006 8:52:25 GMT -5
The name to be used is that which is written on the birth certificate. I believe it's possible to change your vibes but to me you'd have to alter your official name. It would be interesting to study the chart for "Wondy allen" to see if we get a different take on his public persona or if it's even relevant at all. I have reduced 22 on his life path accidentially. I have read though if we do not live up to our master number we can actually live on the lower vibrational number in this case 4 if the 22 is too much to handle, Is this right ? I read about it too. It all becomes clearer if people believe in reincarnation. Then you can ask yourself what would be the influence of a master number if a person were halfway through their reincarnation cycle or towards the end. In the first case, it probably showed up to give them a boost to accomplish things and experience a higher level of responsibiliy on a secular level. So they're not missing anything where they stand. I know someone (a 22) whom I suspect fits the first case. He rose pretty high in the corporate world while starting near the bottom. He's also extremely gifted with his hands (literal "master builder"), but doesn't care about much beyond the corporate world and his bank account, and his perfectly happy when both areas aren't in trouble. Aside from that, he does display lots of the qualities of a 4. In the former case, they will be ready for the spiritual stuff, but rarely get there before going through an awakening process and some can miss or resist the call. The visible difference is they're likely to attract extra tests to whack them back to their "true" path, or they can feel a sense of vainness until they found a significant purpose in their life. And once again, as you said they can come off as a 4. Here's gandhi's info. His life path won't be much of a surprise. I got 2 different spellings for his middle name. The first seems to be a westernized version. The numbers obtained from the second make more sense. October 2, 1869 Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi Móhandás Karamčand Gándhí |
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