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Post by blake on Jan 28, 2005 2:03:04 GMT -5
I thought it would be good for motivation and just for fun, if we had a topic where everyone posts their personal records for how many OBEs they've had in one night (or day) and records for other OBE related things. People can try to break their personal records on occasion and come back and post their new ones when they do... or, people can try to break the forum record whoever's it may be. It'll have to be on the honor code. After I did a new form of qi gong one day I was able to enter the vib' state 9 times. I could have kept going if I wanted to, but I hadn't had this idea yet lol. The only thing is that I didn't get far in couple (hence the re-entrance to the vib state)... anyway, my record is: 9 |
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Post by Gav on Jan 28, 2005 6:55:41 GMT -5
Good score Blake, you must have been like an astral yoyo. The most I remember is 6, this was actually just the other day, I was experimenting with different exit techniques, so I was not really travelling anywhere, just exiting and returning. I stopped at 6 due to a high-pressure build up in my head after trying to perform an energy exit through my crown. [shadow=green,left,300]6[/shadow] |
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Jan 28, 2005 7:57:33 GMT -5
well honestly can we go by weeks here, gosh, hmm, becuase me being sucked of energy after them, I think I have not gone more than twice in one day, how about how long have we been out in one travel?  I longest I have been out is two hours and 15 mins wooohooo!  |
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Post by mactombs on Jan 28, 2005 11:48:45 GMT -5
Oh fine, start a thread to make us folk that have maybe one OBE every 6 months that lasts 5 seconds jealous!  1 |
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Jan 28, 2005 12:45:52 GMT -5
haha, yeah really,lol, well hey that is quite an accomplishmant. |
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Post by Summer on Jan 28, 2005 13:13:12 GMT -5
Mactombs-
I'm with you on that one! Haven't had an OBE in months! Hey, I once had a lucid dream that seemed to last all night, does that count? Probably not, but it was a fun night!
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Post by blake on Jan 28, 2005 16:14:58 GMT -5
Ronni: Yeah, well it's definitly the quality that counts, I just thought this would be fun. We can keep track of whatever else you like:) I don't normally time mine though. I'm sure you have me though with the over 2 hrs one.
Mactombs:lol, Hence the "good for motivation" comment:)
You had a lucid dream that lasted all night summer?! That's cool, I've never had that happen. I dreamt all night once, but that is all I can say... I think it was a short night of sleep too.
Gav, I get that pressure build up in my head with the rope technique.
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Post by Lady_Butterfly on Jan 28, 2005 17:56:35 GMT -5
Hi Blake! You forgot to say what the prize was for the winner! J/K |
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Post by blake on Jan 29, 2005 2:57:24 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300][shadow=red,left,300]Forum Records So Far[/shadow] [/glow]Most OBEs in one night: Me, with 9Longest OBE: Ronni, for 2 hours and 15 minutesLongest Lucid Dream: Summer, all night (that'll be tough to beat) lol *These are the current records, unless someone has beaten these and just hasn't said anything yet. What other things do we need records for?
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Post by Gav on Jan 29, 2005 7:42:00 GMT -5
How about the most useless OBE ever.
This happened very recently, I was experimenting with non-energy exits.
I achieved the hypnogogic state, and tried the stand straight up exit method. I couldn’t stand up, something was wrong! So I tried the roll out method, after, about 30 minutes of pulling and straining I was half out of my body and half in, so only my torso was coming out at the waist, but at a funny angle so that I was facing the ground.
I struggled for about another ten minutes and managed to pull myself all the way out by dragging myself across the floor, very un-dignified, kind of like a horizontal rope technique.
I then tried to stand up but I was paralysed from the knees down, so I just ended up kneeling at the feet of my physical body. I decided I would just charge for the other side of the room but my knees just gave way and collapsed, I lay on the floor at the far wall. I decided to get out of the room so I reached into the wall and grabbed a hold of something and dragged myself through. On the other side of the wall, my landing had been replaced with a 1000 ft drop to a cobbled street. I fell, very undignified I hit the floor.
I laid there for some considerable time now totally paralysed trying to will myself back to my body, this happened after about 10 minutes except instead of entering my body, I was once again paralysed beside it, I had to shake myself furiously to get back into my body, and then I had the same problem again reviving my physical body.
Total experience time about 1.5 hours. I came round with a headache and a stiff neck because of the way my head had slumped when I was in the chair.
Pretty useless huh?
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Jan 29, 2005 8:03:29 GMT -5
From GAv-
What exactly do you mean by this? Did you have to shake your physical body from the energy body, or both?
hmm, I don't think it is useless, I don't think any of these expereinces are useless, they show us our strengths and weaknesses.
I think its good to struggle once in a while ya know, I think that is how we learn to push through all the illusions and step forth to a new and untried reality.
but I must say if this occurs alot it can get frustrating and I know I have wanted to give up a few times from struggleing, but I have pushed my way through all the bull that gets in my way, to see a new world in a new perspective , and I think that is how we can learn to venture even further into the membrane of consciousness.
But I do understand why you think it is useless, lol
Ronni
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Post by Gav on Jan 29, 2005 8:57:55 GMT -5
I had to shake both, it was as if I had revive my energy body from paralysis before I had to do the exact same to my physical body. Perhpas undignified would have been a better word than useless. Still I laughed about it, I found it entertaining in a frustrating kind of way |
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Jan 29, 2005 10:20:34 GMT -5
haha, well its good you can laugh about it, I usually get so annoyed that I just want to wake up!lol |
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Post by blake on Jan 29, 2005 18:37:46 GMT -5
About that being paralyzed... I already mentioned to you (Gav) that a had a similar experience around the same time. I hadn't been doing chakra work, and I think it is probably not a coincidence that both our problems resulted after a lack of energy work.
Here is what happened in my experience: It was the first day I tried to project in a month, after going away for christmas... I DID have some energy sensations on the exit, but I think I should have let 'em grow more. I would get out, but then be stuck on my knees... and it seemed like my head was being held back, in fact, after this experience my physical head felt kinda weird. I wonder if it could have been chord resistance. After being unsuccessful I would get back in then try again, to restart and the same thing would happen. I could move towards but not away from my and I was just sort of flopping around. The only time I got away in all of this was one time that I just found myself at the foot of my bed... I was able to go away, but got snapped back right away. It really sucked.
On a positive note...
Today I seemed to come to a better understanding of exits and energy exits. Normally I initiate the energy sensations by feeling my face for them, then I just try to squirm out once they are going.... but today: I initiated them just the same, but then just kinda took it easy and experienced the energy for a while before trying to get out. What this did was made them a more full-body experience, and perhaps more efficient(?). I had major sensations, in fact it was like a river of energy was rushing into my legs, and alternating directions (then going back out). I have had those kinds of rushing sensations once before. They are VERY significant in how they feel.
Also, today, after relaxing for so long into the energy, the exit just seemed to happen about halfway naturally. It took me back to how my experiences began. I think that I had been forcing the exit too much, for far too long.
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Jan 29, 2005 19:45:36 GMT -5
interesting, I think the more you stay within that state and relax the more your energy body grows of power perhaps.
Maybe we can try sending our energy body's more energy by our thoughts when we are paralyzed, and relax for a while and let it flow and than induce the obe from there.
I think the more I lay in my body just observing my energy body is growing and gaining power, the longer we stay in this state of awarenss the longer we can venture and gain more power while we are out.
I have never rushed any state or tried to hard to have an obe, I just always have let it come, and willed it, and it never let me down.
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Post by odni on Jan 29, 2005 22:19:59 GMT -5
Hello to all...
I usually only have one obe per night, (not every night of course!) The thing is, sometimes after the obe, when I wake up I'll go do something and realize that I'm still in the astral. This gives me quite a shock, and on two occasions I've gotten stuck like this; Waking up over and over again with my hand going through the switch when I try to turn on the light.
I know that this doesn't count as multiple obe's, but it feels like it because I think that its over when its not.
Its never really over, is it?
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Post by blake on Jan 30, 2005 1:47:36 GMT -5
From Ronni Yeah, I have been doing very direct control though, I just hadn't been letting it take it's course enough after I initiated the energy flow. I guess I was rushing it... well we'll see how things work for me starting now, since I am taking these things into consideration...
That is an interesting idea, and I'd like to investigate this further. This could be very true, but I don't know... I still think that energy sensations can often be more of a side affect, but maybe it's a side affect that can serve us and that we can use during exit if we do in fact initiate it.
From OdniHey Odni, welcome to the forum.
Usually when I have trouble reentering, I just imagine really hard what it would be like to jerk awake... or to do a slight sit up in bed, like you might end up doing after a dream. The imagining of and feeling for the movement involves me in the movement. Sometimes it has seemed somewhat necessary to move my body in sync with reentry in order to fully integrate.
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Post by Gav on Jan 30, 2005 7:39:15 GMT -5
You are right about that odni, welcome to the board. By Blake I agree with you Blake, I am not convinced that the energy feelings are required at all, they could be more of a side effect, or perhaps a psychological aid, I will share the results of my experiments on energy based and non-energy based exits shortly. The results may be interesting, even more so if more us tried the same experiments and compared results. More on this later |
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Jan 30, 2005 8:20:13 GMT -5
Im starting to beleive that the inbetween state is more of a link to the other side rather than just a state before we launch into other realities. Perhaps that is why people are so afraid in this state.
also I sence the most beings around me in this state, and hear many strange things, as I observe in this state I realize that my energy body is at its peak, and it usually diminshes once Im out, the scene changes, so could I be on to something here?
I had just been analyzing alot of my expereinces lately and trying to put it all together.
I am going to add another topic about this.
Ronni
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Post by blake on Jan 30, 2005 13:48:12 GMT -5
From Gav I would be happy to try some experiments, but I have also already exited without energy several times... what are the things you are investigating? Just how it affects objectivity? I can already tell you that I have had very objective OBEs with no energy sensations on exit... confirmed ones and everything.
Well let me know what exactly you are looking into.
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