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Post by Lena on Sept 16, 2010 19:01:21 GMT -5
Use this thread to discuss Conscious Dreaming by Robert Moss.
I wanted to add a few thoughts on this book, since I just finished reading it. I didn't try any exercises, as I went through it pretty quick. Still trying to reestablish my dream recall! It would be worthwhile and give some of them a try, although I suspect he'll have similar exercises in the Dreamgates (see our study that starts 10.10.10). I found a few fascinating concepts in this book, and even though, I said in our study thread, that it is simple, I find some of them pretty advanced.
For example, dream reentry that he writes about so much seems like a difficult feat to accomplish. I think I've done it before, but not because I was trying, but in a more relaxed manner, just maybe thinking about the dream and then going back into it. It seems like a worthwhile technique to pursue as you can go back inside your dream to get more details and ask what messages your dream holds for you. Has anyone tried it on purpose to get more clarity about their dream? Has anyone tried using drumming? I think I may try playing it one of these days, when I find a dream I want to come back to. Oh, I've heard this technique before, but there is another technique to ask dream for its meaning. Having a conversation with one of the dream characters, as in writing down your question, and then writing down the answer of the dream character, as if they are answering you. Dream reentry seems more exciting to try though, more first hand or something. Hmm...in our group meet-ups on this forum a little while ago, we did try going places together and while we set a physical location, I think there was plenty of people who went to other astral levels, that were not that close to the physical.
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Post by nani on Sept 18, 2010 13:13:01 GMT -5
for me too it often was quite easy to re-entry into a dream after i awoke shortly and i.e. went to toilett with closed eyes  and to then continue the dream, which sometimes truly brought more insight. but the other point is that also often happened that when i tried to stay in this kind of dream-state while going toilet or anything similar then i later on forgot about the first dream entirely and did not remember any of them all - as if i would have written the first one down, cause so i would have been able to at least have kept the first dream at all raaa sometimes not that easy all this lol though im quite optimistic about our new project, cause already the energy we as a bunch-of-energy put in it will have successfull effects  |
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Post by existenceisadream on Sept 18, 2010 17:41:45 GMT -5
Nani I get the same thing. I can wake and reenter dreams over and over but if I don't record the one I wake from then most of it will be forgotten being overwritten by the latest one. But if I try to record the dream and then reenter it, it's not as easy though not impossible.
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Post by Lena on Sept 19, 2010 2:42:53 GMT -5
You guys are such advanced dreamers. But you are right, I remembered a few times I could go back in my dream too, especially if it wasn't interrupted for long. But what about like the following night?
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Post by ~~section8... on Sept 19, 2010 23:00:07 GMT -5
That's interesting. I've been able to reenter my dreams only a few times and it was after waking up and staying in a "semi-sleep" stage. But I was able to remember everything. I couldn't command it though. :/ It's like a lucky occurrence.
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Post by existenceisadream on Sept 22, 2010 1:20:34 GMT -5
You guys are such advanced dreamers. But you are right, I remembered a few times I could go back in my dream too, especially if it wasn't interrupted for long. But what about like the following night? Well that's a whole different story... I feel though it's more like dream incubation trying to do it the following night because you're attempting to create and enter directly into a desired dream even if it was the one you had the night before. When I wake and go right back into the dream it's so much easier because I'm already there mentally. As in it's almost natural to go right back into it. We're not talking about having the same dream over right? More like continuing where you left off at in your dream? Another thing is that my dreaming often seems to have a theme. So I'll wake and then whether I record the dream or just remember it as I'm falling back to sleep I'll either end up where I left off or somewhere else but it'll have the same theme or 'feel' to it. |
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Post by Lena on Sept 22, 2010 2:05:52 GMT -5
We're not talking about having the same dream over right? More like continuing where you left off at in your dream? The way Robert Moss explains it, it's sort of like seeing it over again, yes. I'm sure it's never exactly the same. The purpose is to ask your dream character a question or to find out some details about a dream or even influence a different ending. One example stands out in my mind, where he had a dream about having a car accident and dying. When he went back in the dream, he noticed that he couldn't influence the ending, so to him that meant it was more of a literal dream. Second, he noticed more about his surrounding and where it was location, which led him to cancel an upcoming trip. |
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Post by existenceisadream on Sept 22, 2010 3:21:18 GMT -5
So you're talking more about lucidly going into a dream you've already dreamed? I'm thinking that's the only way to be able to ask these questions or try to change the dream outcome?
Or are we trying to just dream the dream with intent to ask questions or change dream outcome but not having to be lucid while in the dream?
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Sept 22, 2010 8:03:39 GMT -5
lol you guys are confusing! lol I think she means continueing the dream in order to change the events but why would you try to over ride a dream? unless the guy has mastered his thoughts so deeply it cuts even through the subconsious at will......  ehhh???lol |
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Post by ~~section8... on Sept 22, 2010 16:08:22 GMT -5
This is very confusing. I think it's more...finding more information about the dream from seeing it again. Like if you read a book again you notice more the second time than the first time you read it.
Is it lucid though?
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Post by existenceisadream on Sept 22, 2010 19:12:24 GMT -5
I know I have different levels of lucidity at one of the very lowest levels is being aware I'm dreaming but still carrying on with the dream that is already in motion. Seems like that would be an ideal level to be at while trying to 'redream' a dream. Any more lucid and it seems the dream would shift to a more conscious level and the original dream would be changed or lost.
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Post by ~~section8... on Sept 22, 2010 20:02:38 GMT -5
I think you're right. If you're too lucid, you affect the dream too much.
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Post by Lena on Sept 23, 2010 14:03:57 GMT -5
This is very confusing. I think it's more...finding more information about the dream from seeing it again. Like if you read a book again you notice more the second time than the first time you read it. Is it lucid though? That's one aspect of it, yes. The second aspect is interacting with dream characters and with the dream itself to find out more information that way. What Robert Moss meant was that if the dream is literal, it'll be difficult to change or manipulate it, but if it's symbolic, the regular variety of dream, then you can ask it questions and even change outcome. Ronni, why change the outcome? I think it can be very therapeutic myself. For example, instead of running away from your fear, you turn around and face it. You already had your original dream, so it wouldn't be like you change the original one to something else, obviously the one you had will always exist anyway. |
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and to then continue the dream, which sometimes truly brought more insight.
