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Post by nani on Jun 26, 2005 16:00:13 GMT -5
hello friends, back from the mountains,
somtimes things do develop a bit different..
I thought that the strong energies of such old mountains, daily 7 hours climbing up to around 2000 meters, Qigong and martial arts, would make me feel strong and tough too. But besides it was fun and joy also I felt more and more sensitive instead, sensitive and a kind of fearful. In fact at fullmoon I felt like I hardly couldnt stand anymore the odd energies which I sensed with a certain empathy, mainly supressed subtle agression and competition in between the group members of the 25 friends. I couldnt locate or specify the danger I somehow felt, but the people all felt great and without worries, drinking and celebrating all the evenings – I did not.
The last day my Ex, who was the group-leader, well experienced in climbing and physically top fit and a few others went up again while the weather got bad. I just could cry, say „take care“ and give them the number of the mountain rescue service before they left, cause they wanted to go in any case, no change of mind was possible.
Hours later while I was on another less dangerous mountain observing the mountain cliff above the trees they had gone up to, I got a mobilphone call of my Ex`s girlfriend. She said that he has had a kind of small heart attack and a circulation breakdown, that he was fainted, both thought he would die, unable for an hour to do anything else but accepting that his time had come, untill suddenly an energyflash of the mountains and the sky knocked through him, so he slowly could get up and climb down to the village again. When he got down he thought it was okay again, took a hot shower and had the next small attack. Finally first then he told me about his high blood pressure, which still hasnt got the right treatment yet..
Isnt it a burden at times to become such sensitive..
especially if one anyways cant change anything.
But anyways Im so happy everybody is alive.
And Now Im happy to be back here.
I have a lot to catch up on – here in the forum, and also at work, so I rather might be reading than writing during the next days.
Excited looking forward to read all
the new stories I`ve missed.
love_growth
nani
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Post by Blake on Jun 26, 2005 17:09:11 GMT -5
Hey Nani, welcome back. That's really wild. I hope he'll be ok. Wait, I'm not sure what you mean; lightning? Or just energy that was visible to you? Or do you mean he had just a miraculous recovery?
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Jun 27, 2005 7:38:52 GMT -5
HI Nani!!!!
Welcome back sweetie! guess what i got the cds!!wooohoo, and I loved them you are the greatest..I listen to them in the morning, because they are soothing..and just nice background music, so thank you again for sending those!
and Im sorry to hear of your friend..
and yes it can be a burden to feel such things because it is overwhelming sometimes..I know..
and I ve been reading this book where certain parts of the earth radiate a strange form of energy and in certain mountain areas as well, and perhaps this is what happend to you guys, the high tensity of the energy perhaps set his attack off and enabled you to "feel" what was going on..
I don't find it all that strange, however if your friend has high blood pressure and maybe other problems I don't think he should have been going up the mountains anyway..ya know..
but did you get to enjoy yourself Nani??
well I hope so, I hope it was nice for the most part!
good to have ya back nani, I missed ya! ;D
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Post by nani on Jun 27, 2005 11:08:33 GMT -5
hello friends,
its so nice to hear of you and be with you hey guys..
pure "Qi" or "Chi" would be the best description I guess. His gf described it like: after lying down for an hour he would get on his feet again raise his arms up with open hands to the sky to pull energy with a deep breath into his body, then suddenly he was shaking like hitten by an electrical stroke for some seconds, then he was catapulted by this energy off the ground and thud 2 meters from where he was before.
That is what she was telling.
I could comprehend and sense very well what she was saying, cause 20 years ago he almost was dying in my arms in India - hepatitisA he had so bad, the doctors gave little chance, but the things which then happened were not of this world anymore, truly, I went a bit into the astral with him, I was sucked into this world of light and birds singing and calling him, while I was totally sober. After been and seen this world I had fallen in a kind of trance and then did weird things I normally would never get the idea to do, like Qi-sucking along his back to get him back into this world, and he came back.
I dont know, I dont know, whats all about that things.
Do we really have an influence on another soul-body`s life.
I dont know, I really dont know.
But surely I believe that this kind of events are "teachings" of our Higher Selfs, "tests" or "chances" to decide for new ways, make new choices in life.
Its just metaphysics in reality.
About the "objective" energy power of the mountains I just can say, that I did never before feel the Qi so strong. There a Qigong exercises with the Qi-ball, when I did that, like forming a ball of Qi and wander with it along the body breathing and concentrating on the chakras, I really did feel it so strong, and when I finally did put the ball above my head at the 8th chakra, it stayed there, I could sense the energy ball there all day long - just very very strong such "basic" Qi of the mountains. But maybe too strong for me at the moment.
I feel like as if I first should learn some things before to grow more and more sensitive. What is the use of feeling everything when I still do hold on? So first maybe my mind should be liberated to totally freedom I guess. Because as long as my mind is depending on this body-life, sensitivity only can bring burdens and fears of loss.
Or? How do you look at it? Whats your opinion?
So yes, it was not only bad for me there, Im assured that everything is possible in this life-stream for me, its just a matter of wise decision and the right practise. A good grounding also is needed I believe, at least for me.
It is absolutely wonderful that I can share this happenings, thoughts and feelings with you, thank you.
All I wrote may sound a bit serious or depressed, but Im not! Im just a bit thoughtfully and reflectively but still grateful about everything, its all such a great mystery.
love_growth
nani
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Post by Blake on Jun 27, 2005 14:03:03 GMT -5
Nani you sound like you're pretty good at qi gong. Feel free to give me any pointers if you ever have any.
My qi gong teacher who I think you have heard me talk about (Rich Mooney), was a great master. He had really great ability for qi healing and said that he was able to prolong the lives of people at death's door. He said that he had done it a few times but stopped doing it as he felt that he was just prolonging the inevitable and making their passing longer and harder emotionally on everyone. But I guess you had better luck than he had... maybe the people he helped were dying of old age and there was less he could do because of that.
Is that guy a really great qi master or was he just kinda lucky to be able to pull in so much energy when he needed it that bad?
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Post by nani on Jun 27, 2005 19:49:28 GMT -5
Hi blake1,
"a really great qi master" - I dont know. He is my teacher since I was 17, so that makes 30 years lol. No now seriously, he teaches us kungfu, qigong, taichi and he works as masseur and heals with qi. My only problem is to name all the styles he has learned from other masters or "remembered" (as he and some clairvoyants are saying about him). But there is nothing holy at him at all. He is very bold and cheeky, full of humor, loves drinking, has a tremendous knowledge about philosophy and metaphysics and is painter also. About his qi? Yes he has it, this has been proved in many situations. But still, no technique can hinder fate or diseases I believe, cause otherwise we wouldnt learn and develop.
I`ll ask him to write down for me what we are doing since all the decades or lifes lol, so we can compare some blake1, maybe we`re practising the same stuff. For me personally its just a matter of perseverance. Sometimes I get a bit lost in music, mother caring and whatever tasks and jobs and then of course also the qi work is not the same anymore, but when I found my way back to regular practise it goes very fast that Im in the qi strenght, as if I wouldnt have been out at all.
What exactly are the techniques you are using?
See ya tomorrow, good day, good dreams and flights.
nani
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Post by Blake on Jun 28, 2005 1:58:06 GMT -5
I've usually just stand in wuji. I had a back problem that kept me from doing more early on so I figured that if only standing in wuji would put me at any disadvantage I'd just make up for it with diligence. Now I don't really even want to do anything else... and there are a lot of other people who just do wuji anyway... so it's kinda my thing. I store the energy lying on my back after I raise it. I also do NEW sometimes because it's easy to do when you're just lying around or watching TV. You know I think that it's really ok... I think it's worthwhile, I just don't like how Robert Bruce says it's the best. I think he's kind of arrogant.
What all have you been doing? I'd love to hear.
By the way, you can still just call me "Blake" : ) I just changed my name a while ago because my other account wasn't working well.
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Post by nani on Jun 28, 2005 11:30:20 GMT -5
Blake, haha isnt it so funny that after 30 years of training I just did a telephoncall asking Armin (my ex-husband, on the paper still husband) what we did and do all those years lol.
I mean okay, what I did know was that we do since the very beginning Shaolin Kungfu, besides those wonderful animal- forms and katas this also contains lots of Qi-exercises, but more for active power and centering onto the Hara/Dantien.
What we are doing further actively is called Mutai, I didnt know (and truly dont care bout all those names, but its helpful to communicate through that). Mutai more is a mixture of kungfu and taiboxing.
About the Qigong he said, that anyways all the modern masters do mix up old styles with new inventions they made on their own, and he said so does he. But basically he could mention the definitions: Lotus-Qigong and Silkstring-Qigong, the Brocade-Row (dont know if the translations fit exactly) and also in his concept of teaching there are lots of "rejuvenations-exercises of the old emperors" hmmm.. sounds great no lol.
What I enjoy most and also do mix up myself with chakra-work is called (I found out now) Lohan-Qigong, this is working a lot with energy-balls, you may know this better than me, and its creators name is Hong Li Yuan.
As far as I remember also the "Tree" you do is issued from this. So I truly think we do similar stuff.
About the "New" techniques, sorry, I forgot them all, although its just a year ago, that I`ve read about it by R.B. Maybe I should read it again, I did and do just ignore and skipp the arrogance, thats his problem, I think only what counts is the efficiency of the work. And some things R.B was talking about really helped me very much, especially his "split-problem" elaboration refering to OBEs.
Further Im taking part at another school, my brother, he is in opposition to my ex an absolutely extrem traditionalist, so he is often in China or his masters are here. There I learned the 24 form, which is more for health and relaxing - but I also will ask him what he/we are doing moreover exactly.
So when I forget again, I guess in some weeks lol, I always can come here and look what in fact Im doing all day long haha. No no Im not too disciplined, as I mentioned before, and as formerly dance-therapist I also did lead groups for years and made there my mixtuer of dance, martial arts, meditation and encounter. Anyhow Im a woman, so I never was so fixed on certain traditional techniques, rather just as a tool I was using all that.
But as Im getting older (luckily) and calmer I do become more and more interested in those contemplative techniques..
So I really do appreciate our exchange about it.
Have a good time.
lgn
BTW: did you ever try my "hot tofu" recipe lol
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Post by Blake on Jun 28, 2005 14:28:23 GMT -5
I never did try that recipe. I had to stop weightlifting because I hurt my bicep, but I am just about to start again. I had a dream with tofu in it last night lol.
I'm familiar with a lot of stuff that you mentioned... I'm a big fan of shaolin monks for example. Those guys are awesome. I think it's cool that you do all that stuff. I've never heard of lohan qi gong... maybe I'll have to look that up. I also do chakra work. After I raise energy I just move it to my chakras. I don't really use NEW techniques for that part... or at least I wouldn't think of it that way. I think Robert Bruce just labeled a lot of stuff that any energy trainer would be doing anyway.
I would be interested in getting into a style of martial arts that emphasizes kicking because I've skied my whole life and I am also good with hackysacking or juggling a soccer ball, so I thought that those skills would transfer well. I don't know of any styles that emphasize kicking though, but I'd like to get an instructional video if you know of any styles like that. If I could find a style that emphasizes kicking and offense that would be ideal. I don't actually do any martial arts, but I've been wanting to. I think I might learn it quick because of the other stuff I do that is kind of similar in a way.
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Post by nani on Jun 28, 2005 14:46:39 GMT -5
Im more than sure that you would learn so quick, with all the things you did and do, very easily. I guess your body also just would "remember" those movements.. and have fun. I will look and ask around for some good instruction-videos. Of course we have watched tremendous amounts of Bruce Lee films at these times, also in slow-motion again and again, thats really great to learn too. But surely nowadays there are some good videos to get, I´ll see and let you know soon if I found some.
lgn
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Post by Blake on Jun 28, 2005 15:24:27 GMT -5
That'd be great if you could find a style like that for me. YOu don't have to look too hard though : )
I have watched a few things in slow motion lately... one thing was a martial arts tournament I recorded with a girl who did good kicks. The first thing I need to do is increase flexibility. That part might take the longest.
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Post by sxy on Jun 29, 2005 1:37:24 GMT -5
Hey Nani , ...Again,"Welcome Back " ! WOW ! All this talk about energy ~ is got me doing my weights..! I have loved the Kung fu T.V. series,staring;David Kane. I know this energy is around I have worked it ! No control though . I am doing zen meditations, with focus on physical positions.I do feel energy that I never knew ! new is a strange word, renewed is better. Glad your trip was entertaining, mountains are wonderful ! I hope your friend gets looked at ? I know it's hard to worry when all you can do is wait...! Thanks for sharing your story, I know it's a lesson for me , I just don't know what yet ? lol....you have inspired me to work at my own energy and as I had said to you , I will try to sleep more..!  Glad your back ! ~SXY~ |
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Post by nani on Jun 29, 2005 12:40:47 GMT -5
Hey hello sxy,
oh yeah wow I loved David Kane. I especially do remember the scene when he jumped into a huge hole - full of snakes, ooohhh - and then he walked in slow motion, in Qi and absolutely concentration over those snakes. Of course they didnt bite him, I mean it was a film, but in reality it would be the same I believe, and there are truly many stories about such events.
Zen meditation, yeah cool, the best. I also did and still do.
I also love to do those daoist-imagination-light-meditations, but the Hara/Dantien work for me always feels best. Its just the centre, the pure centre.
I mentioned it somewhere here in the posts already, what I love most is chanting, buzzing, droning the OMmmmm before I concentrate on my Dantien. This is so relaxing and all those stupid daily repetition thoughts have time to leave haha, I buzz them away, no no I dont force anything, which truly is not recommended to do anyhow, but sometimes I feel nerved by always the same stupid thoughts and with that kind of "inside singing" those thoughts just blow off and give place for good ideas, new inspirations or just this precious feeling of peace and being peace.
Its funny, after around 20 minutes of zen-sitting I always get the feeling of a tube in the back which wouldnt let me move anymore. When I move some milimeters though it would feel like my body snap in into the next position. From then on the breath has a different "taste" also.
I mean, I know that this tube exists and is called ... hmm? I forgot.. anyways, thats that where the kundalini, the psychic/sexual energy, flows up, if, but its just funny that I do feel it so physically.
Do you have similar body perception while meditating or breath working???
love_growth
nani
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Post by nani on Jun 29, 2005 12:50:10 GMT -5
Hi Blake,
so today I spoke with my brother about an instruction-video and about what his school contains.
First the video.. aaahm I should have known what he would answer, cause he `s a Capricorn ya know, he doesn’t accept to do things halfway, different than me lol, or Armin with his freestyle attitude.
So my brother, Thomas, said he rather would like to invite you to come here to his academy for 10 days, he would show and initiate you to everything in this time, so you would have enough to work on for the next years.
He said as you are a friend of mine and also have basic knowledge about those things he of course also would give the address of his master in China to you, but as long as you don’t speak Chinese, this wouldn’t make much sense, because they don’t speak english.
So, as a matter of course, if you seriously would think about a visit I would be happy to invite you to stay in my house, in one of the flats of our house-community during the time of your stay.
Its funny, just this morning a guy from Malaysia was picked up from the airport, he also is coming only for to join Toms` group-lessons daily and on top do the personal single work out with him.
Now here an overview what he is or does teach.
He is educated up to the 5th Darn (don’t know in English, maybe its called degree) by master: LI YIN WU.
a) Yang style short-form (24 form, which I also do)
b) Er ski si ski (please don’t ask me what that is lol)
c) Peking-form
then also he took the exams and is authorized to teach Taiji and Qigong in:
d) “Chen-Wu” Taiji
e) spiritual medicinal Qigong
f) daoist meditations
the gongfu (kungfu) style 5th darn he does is called
g) “Long Chan Qi Dao”
pououohhhh lol, so now I also know, at least one time.
It’s a pity you are not here now, cause next week around 70 participants of the “phoenix-academy” do a public performance to show all they learned and do, they do this once a year . It also includes sword- and other weapon-fight-techniques, really beautiful to watch and do. (I loved to do sword-fight all my life, but I rather more did it like fight-dance performances for the tourists in Spain).
I don’t want to boast with my brother, I mean its him doing all this, not me lol, but I truly think he has a lot to give and teach in this matters. Also he is not far away from our other themes, like, besides his academic degree of Chinese language, he did write his doctor exam book about: `Qigong and Shamanism` in comparison.
He also was employed to teach Qigong at the ESA which is the European sort of NASA and was gongfu supervisor for actors in films. Although they offered lots of money more he did quit cause all that doesn’t interest him.
He is a very nice person with lots of humour, I guess you would like him.
So Blake think about it, it doesn’t have to be this year.
It wouldn’t be totally free of charge, cause Tom is convinced that things should have their price, but it would be very little, a true friends price, in any case it would be made possible to afford it, cause anyways he follows the old tradition of daoist monks where only the want, the right time and the quality counts. So just the flight and the food would be needed - rooms, cars, bicycles, tourist guiding through Frankfurt and fun LOL would be free for you and an honour for me.
Hey that would be funny, then you also could just jump to the English Island and visit Gav too, hey what a trip.
Ah and before I forget, Tom said, that then after you was here, he surely would give you further instruction-videos to take with you..
Wasn’t that now the longest answer ever for the shortest question you asked:
for an instruction-video only. LOL haha
So, sorry if that was not what you wanted, I just feel obligated now to answer your question in exactly that way, the answer was given to me.
The daoists say: life is like a river, the Dao is like a river, go with the flow of things and you´ll be happy.
love_growth
nani
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Post by Blake on Jun 29, 2005 18:44:26 GMT -5
Hey, that's a great opportunity! That sounds cool. I really might do that, but I'm not sure if it'd be any time soon. I am going to be working with my uncle in Nevada for the next six months (I still haven't left yet by the way), but maybe sometime not too long after that I would have enough money. If he could really tell me everything I'd need to know to do it on my own from then on, that would be really great. What I would really like to do if I come there is increase my flexibility enough first so that I can do all the kicks and stuff that he might have me try... and maybe I could have at least a fair headstart if I had time to try some things just based off video or something before I come.
As soon as you said that I thought "Wouldn't that be cool to stop off and see Gav and then continue on to Germany" lol.
Thank you for offering a place to stay and all that, and thanks to your brother too! I may take you up on this, but not yet. I'm going to keep this in mind though so don't forget : )
Speaking of Gav, I talked to him today and he is hoping to be active on the forum again after he moves in July.
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Post by nani on Jun 29, 2005 19:40:17 GMT -5
Cool, how great!
So maybe around next spring yeah, or whenever you can and like.
And yes if you want just a bit of preparation before or in between you also could take any taek-won-do or kungfu video for that, I can imagine they are available or borrowable in every bigger village.
Or did you mean that I should ask him if he would give his lessons on video to you before you come?
Anyways I keep on hearing around if there are good instruction-videos !
But dont worry, Im not gone come with more master-offers lol.
No seriously, I think you both would fit very well, as far as I know you I found out already that you have that "bite" (we call it), means this admirable willpower and perseverance, I just remember when you talked about how and how long you did this "tree" exercises, man..
And who knows how long you and my brother know each other, could be possible that you have much more in common, usually he`s not that fast in reacting on someone or something. Who knows what he could learn all from you, I guess a lot too.
Anyways all great, and yeah Gav thanks, I knew, fortunately we stayed a bit in contact too. My home will be always open for him and his family as well, so who knows..
Ououhh but then does this 6 month with your uncle mean, that you will not be here at the forum? That would be very sad. I would miss you, Ronni would miss you, you would be missed by everybody here.
Nevada, sounds like wonderful nature though.
love_growth
nani
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Post by Blake on Jun 29, 2005 20:24:14 GMT -5
No that's ok, I just meant I'd see what I can figure out messing around on my own in the meantime so I might be a quicker student for your brother if I come.
Thanks:)
Cool, we'll have to make sure he sees this topic when he gets back. He's actually practiced some martial arts already.
I will still be at the forum as much as I can. I won't really know how my computer access will be until I'm there, but I will still be here. For the first couple months I might be here less, but after that I may get my own place in Nevada with my own interenet access. Nothing is definite, except for the fact that I am leaving Sunday.
My brother actually got a tour of Europe for his graduation present from when he graduated from college. I just graduated and I haven't done or gotten anything as a present yet. I was thinking about using my "gift trip", if I take one, to check out a place I might like to be living in a year or so, such as Alaska, but it might be cooler to see if I could come over there for my trip. It wouldn't cost me much that way: ) but I'll have to think about whether or not I'd want to do it that way or just pay for it myself. It would still need to be after I'm back from Nevada I think though, and I'd still really like to take the time to increase my flexiblity first so that I'm not at a learning disadvantage.
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Post by nani on Jun 30, 2005 10:21:14 GMT -5
hey cool, so Armin now gave me the adress of this great and famous man AL DACASCOS, this side looks really impressive, didnt know him. As they are in the states surely it will be much more easier for you to get a great instruction-video of these guys: www2.hawaii.edu/~cirillo/owens.html I dont know if I did copy it in the right way, but anyhow I found it in google under: "Sifu Bill Owens" and under "Si-Gung AL DACASCOS". love_growth nani |
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Post by Blake on Jul 2, 2005 1:34:48 GMT -5
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Post by Gav on Jul 2, 2005 6:58:36 GMT -5
Hi Nani, and Blake,
I have been trying to get into Chinese martial arts due to the enhanced spiritual element those arts introduce over the almost strictly Japanese arts I have been studying. Internal martial arts are also invariably absent from the Japanese martial systems which are an element that greatly interest me.
There is not much in the way of good tuition in Plymouth UK, so my nose took me to the book Tai Chi Chuan by Wong Kiew Kit. I have been studying aspects of that book as best as I can, Wong has done an excellent job with his illustrations and footing diagrams, but still I find much of the material very hard to absorb without even so much as an example to watch.
Wong recommends in his work that neither aspect of the art should be ignored, the yin and yang of the art must both be adopted else the other becomes in-effective, to quote him directly from his book –
“A good understanding of yin-yang enables us to gain a better appreciation and greater benefits from Tai Chi Chuan. In many ways, Tai Chi Chuan is all about yin-yang. If there is only yin and no yang, or vice versa, then that is not Tai Chi Chuan. For example, if we just practice Tai Chi Chuan form, but never develop force, then we are not practising the art completely, for there is only yin but no yang. At best we perform a sort of graceful dance, and we will achieve little, even if we practice for a lifetime. If we practice Tai Chi Chuan for health but do not know how to apply it to self defence, or if we only use it for fighting but derive no benefits from its health aspects, then our training lacks this yin-yang harmony.”
I began incorrectly by only paying attention to the chi kung aspects of his book, I am glad I took the time to read the rest and decided to attempt the study of the complete art (from a book, lol).
I began learning the stances, movement styles and the simplified Tai Chi set whilst away in France. Whilst working to raise internal force the book only requires the use of three stances, and some very simple movements, namely Infinite – Ultimate stance, Tai Chi stance, and Lifting Water – and the transitions between the said stances.
This was fine, and I would claim to have derived some benefit from that simplified practice, but once I began trying to learn the more holistic Tai Chi Chuan with its movement intricacies and various movement sets (The simplified set for now lol) I ran into lots of problems.
I think most of these may stem from the complexities of trying to pick up complex movements from a book, although as I have said previously I commend Wong on the depth of his explanations and diagrams I feel that I am being guided to adopt some very awkward and un-natural positions. Is this how Tai Chi feels at first? Or am I learning from bad material?
Little things like awkward knee positions, and badly balanced stances and transitions for example standing on one bent leg with a “four-six “ stance, whilst leaving your front leg apparent (not touching the floor but appearing to be supporting weight) seems like a suicide stance to me, but perhaps that is just me? I want very much to persevere with it, but it feels so unnatural, I was just wondering if you could advise me that it does feel like that at first, or if perhaps I am doing something wrong?
With Ninjutsu I adopt a very earthy style, with solid stances, and I think it may just be the sudden change of style that makes perfectly good technique feel awkward.
Any advice at all? Perhaps I need a lobotomy so I can start again with a clean slate?
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