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Post by Arivis on Nov 23, 2005 0:07:42 GMT -5
I'm looking for opinions about what everyone thinks about the use of physical exercise. It, of course, helps the body but what does it provide to the inner being ?
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Post by existenceisadream on Nov 23, 2005 4:20:42 GMT -5
I believe exercise is important for our body and mind. When you let the body go the mind goes with it. I feel when I'm exercising on a daily basis not only does my body feel better but also I'm much more positive and have more energy than if I don't exercise. I believe exercise helps in OBE's as well because it tires out the body so it's easier to lie down and fall quicker into trance. I've been off and on lately as far as exercise goes due to depression but I like to do Yoga and Qi Gong for energy as well as physical health and I like to play basketball, tennis, and ride my bike. I prefer things that are fun that are exercise versus doing things that feel more like a chore. I've been slacking a bit but I played basketball for my first time yesterday since I sprained my ankle and man am I sore. It's amazing how many muscles playing basketball uses. Not too long ago I started up juggling and again you wouldn't believe how work it is on the body to juggle for an hour.
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Post by Arivis on Nov 23, 2005 4:59:06 GMT -5
Thank you extenceisiadream. Keep 'em coming. I greatly appreciate any replies.
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Nov 23, 2005 17:23:01 GMT -5
I agree it builds energy within as without the body...however I think dancing is the soul's best exercise!
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Post by Anise on Nov 24, 2005 20:55:05 GMT -5
I too agree. Excercise (any kind) keeps us in harmony with our body and soul. It helps to teach discipline (in that by excercising we train our body and mind), responsibility (in that you are responsible for your own body), commitment (in that regular exercise becomes a part of you) and peace (in that excercising helps to relax your body and mind, which in turn makes you more peaceful).
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Post by Blake on Nov 25, 2005 18:48:04 GMT -5
I don't know much about cardio-vascular excercise... if I had to guess what it'd do I would guess that it would help astral projection. Weightlifting on the other hand is a different story.
There have been two writers that said that physical weakness helps. Vincent Turvey and Sylvan Muldoon. They were both very sickly and weak for large portions of their lives to the point that they were at deaths door. In one part of Turvey's book for example he says that he didn't have the strength to lift a human baby. Turvey was the best projector to ever write and Muldoon probably takes second.
In order for someone to be able to say whether or not weakness helps, they need to have caused their strength to greatly fluctuate so that they can speak from experience. I suspect that Muldoon and Turvey are the only authors to say it helps, only because they are the only authors who have had their strength fluctuate wildly and therefore are the only people who could speak from experience.
I can also speak from experience on this and I agree with Muldoon and Turvey... to an extent. I didn't get deathly ill like they did; I went in the other direction. From July 15th to the beginning of November I lifted weights five days a week. In that amount of time my weight went from 165 to 195 gaining 30 pounds of muscle. At the end of 3 months I could shoulder press more than twice the amount of weight that I could at the beginning of the 3 months and I also had huge strength gains on all other lifts.
I think this has made projection more difficult, but I will say that it hasn't mattered a whole, whole lot. I can still project. My success rate just dropped. I used to have about a 90% success rate when I'd attempt projection, and I don't have that anymore. Strength may be an obstacle that could be overcome though. Like I said, I never totally lost the ability to project. One other possibility is what I say in my energy thing on the astral abyss, and that is maybe it's more like a matter of the strength of the astral body just being able to override the strength of the physical body. Whether that's exactly true or not, it is a good analogy. Also, Gav once said that he thought that immediate exhaustion, as in being tired had a larger affect than actual strength. I think this is true but I think that actual strength matters too.
I have begun to shrink because I've been skiing at higher altitude and that's zapping some of my strength. I'm going to keep skiing, so I guess that might mean I keep shrinking. If I do I would bet on projection becoming easier.
Since I started lifting in July I haven't taken any supplements whatsoever, but one thing to note if you are thinking about starting to work out, is that if you do take supplements, I think that a lot of the supplements themselves could hurt your chances of projecting simply because they stimulate the adrenal system and would make reaching the necessary level of relaxation more difficult. I don't have much experience with supplements though so I can't say for sure.
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Post by existenceisadream on Nov 26, 2005 4:04:25 GMT -5
Ya I think maybe the best exercise for projecting would be long distance running because I think the more tired out the body the easier it is to get into trance and once in trance then it's just a matter of projecting on out.
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Post by Arivis on Nov 26, 2005 9:34:43 GMT -5
Could it be true that whether it is strength training or cardiovascular exercise it is the general focus of this wanting to improve ones body and the action of it that mental positives are created.The physical being is worked to create a more balanced mind. A mind that is balanced with the body.
I'm not sure about what is actually happening within the physical mind as far as chemically but emotional positives are being created and thrived on.
With these mental positives that are created it seems to me based on my own experiences that the emotional level and alertness levels become heightened. And possibly more is happening there that our minds are possibly improved in other ways.
The changes in the body occuring makes a satisfied if not happy outlook on oneself, which I believe means a more capable environment for the mind to work in. There has to be some literature on this somewhere. Need to look
Positive control of the body is relished within the mind.
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Post by existenceisadream on Nov 26, 2005 20:54:07 GMT -5
Ya I fully agree with you Arvis. I know that when I'm exercising regularly I feel just so much better with myself so I'm sure it helps the mind out because of the positive activity. But at the same time if I'm meditating regularly with only a little exercise I still have the same feeling as in I feel good about myself. Overall though I still believe intent is the number one factor in OBE's and LD's. Sure it's easier to OBE when the body is very tired but when I lie down with full intent to OBE or LD (but detached intent so I can slip under easier)I normally have much more success though I often OBE when I'm hardly even thinking about it when I lie down when I'm exhausted.
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Post by Blake on Nov 27, 2005 19:52:35 GMT -5
Let me just clarify one thing about my opinion real quick... I am not saying that the exercise itself is what makes projection more difficult, I am saying that a strength increase itself does. It is very possible to exercise without increasing strength much, in fact, it's very possible to lift weights regularly without increasing strength much. I think that you have to increase your strength significantly before you start to affect projection. Most people who lift weights have a lot of trouble making progress unless they take something so it probably wouldn't matter.
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