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Post by existenceisadream on Mar 31, 2005 4:53:33 GMT -5
When I first learned to lucid dream I always tried to make my friends or whoever the dream characters were realize that it was a dream. I normally flew around to show them but they would just look at me as if I were crazy and continue with their conversation and I would always just leave them and fly off. Lately I've been obsessed with comunication in my Ld's versus action because it seems that's all I ever used to do in them. It's amazing how much my dream characters respond now and the conversations we hold though it's hard to remember that much of it when I wake up. But within the last couple of weeks of lucid dreaming I've been bent on making every person in my dream realize it's a dream. I'll go around and do reality checks with the people to show them it's a dream but normally the person won't understand or even seem like they don't want to understand. Sometimes though it works. This is when long conversations happen though when I wake it's hard to recall what all was said I just know it was long. It's funny because sometimes when I'm in the middle of a dream and become lucid with people around me that only seconds ago I was mingling with them not realizing it's a dream, my lucidity will come in and then out of the blue I'll slyly throw in the conversaiton, "so how do you all feel about dreaming, or what do you guys think about dreaming", and the people will pay more attention to me. I get some weird answers sometimes. Plus that feeling I get when I come to this realization and feel I know something that the others in the dream don't. It's like a secretive or sly feeling. Then I'll say "what would you think if I told you that this is a dream right now", and the people get a look of disbelief. This is when I'll try to show them a reality test and sometimes people become lucid with me. It's weird but by doing this it makes me even more lucid because now even my dream characters are aware it's a dream. I had a dream this morning where I find myself in a room after a false awakening from several strung together lucid dreams and see my friend lying in a bed sleeping. I wake him up trying to drag him into where I know there is a clock to do a reality test so he'll become lucid. He's angry and says he wants to go back to sleep. No matter how hard I try I can't get him in the other room. In the dream I knew he was also asleep at the time and I wanted to make him become lucid and I felt if I could maybe the next day he would remember the experience which is something I've wanted to experience which is shared LD's. Do any of you try to make your dream characters realize it's a dream or am I just crazy  existenceisadream |
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Post by nani on Mar 31, 2005 10:51:21 GMT -5
this is such a great technic you have found, super! And it sounds absolutely logical.
of course, if your dream-characters become lucid- you become more lucid, it seems like gathering together again the split energies.
could you explain your thoughts about these mixtures of false awakenings and LDs.
What kind of meaning/explanation could you give for false awakening? Why does it happen? Whereto does it lead?
Im just now trying to find out more about this phenomenon, as it happens quite often to me recently.
hey this is quite a mission! If your friend really would like to partake it would become an amazing great experiment.
best regards
Nani
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Post by existenceisadream on Mar 31, 2005 22:38:42 GMT -5
Hello Nani and thanks for the reply.  As for the false awakenings... I used to have a lot more when I was a kid or when I first started learning how to LD but still have my share of them now. The false awakenings on this particular morning all happened at the end of lucid dreams. When I tried to use the technique (You can find this in the stringing together lucid dreams thread) I've been using lately to go into an OBE or another lucid dream I felt I was too awake in my body and couldn't get any visuals to do it so I decided to wake up instead. Well when I woke up I got out of bed but I wasn't in my room and this is when I walk out to the kitchen in this dream house to do a reality test because I feel like I'm dreaming and of course become lucid. This is when I realize there is a whole family of people here none that I know and I go around and do reality tests with them and at the end of this LD I feel it ending and go into the technique to string the LD's together but once again feel I'm too awake and I wake up and again I'm back in this room in the same house I was just in and become lucid and try to make my friend lucid. I'm not sure of why we have false awakenings. It's a mystery to me too. Maybe it's because they seem to happen from LD's (well at least for me) and you feel your consciouness more back in your physical body and feel that you're about to wake up but you just believe you do and like most dreams just go along with the false awakining. But that's just a guess. I normally will have several false awakenings if I do have them in one morning which is kind of cool because I normally become lucid quickly in them. I don't have any friends that are into LD'ing let alone there dreams in general. I'm always blabbing their ears of on the subject but they seem too interested in it. I feel if I talk about it to them and they can experience it that they will understand why I'm so into it. Then maybe I can try this experiment of shared lucid dreams. I think in the dream when I tried to make my friend lucid and he didn't want to, It kind of represents how in real life I'm trying to get my friends to LD but they don't. existenceisadream |
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Apr 1, 2005 1:49:03 GMT -5
hi existenceisadream, is it okay if I call you something else, lol your name is super long there, haha just kidden. I have read all the things you have been talking about and I like the way you perceive things, Im happy you joined us! I also think you are ahead of the game by far, by that meaning you are on to discover more worlds than you know, just by the way you speak of your interest in this subject alone tells me you will go far in the dreaming lands... Its a shame you can 't discuss your passions with your friends, Im sure they will come around soon.. about the dream chars, hmm, well for me I know that most of them are my sub getting me to notice things, but thats the coolest thing about it, I am beganing to think that our consciousness is everywhere in dreams/ld's/obe's, what I mean is everything/person/place is you ...your awareness shifted back and forth so fast you don't even know it, fascinating.. so by that I mean that we put ourselves into every detail of our very designs in a dream and thus they respond the way we wish them to, such as people for example I have had dreams where the people would say things to me to get me to become more lucid, and I knew it as soon as they said it, it was as if my mind was reviewing a movie script, and of course I played out the part that was written by me.. honestly I have only encountered a few people who I did not appear to be my minds creations, and those people have passed on. Their very presence gave off many signals that I was actually speaking to them, or perhaps sending information back and forth through consciousness. |
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Post by existenceisadream on Apr 1, 2005 17:44:08 GMT -5
Hey Ronni, Yea I know my name is pretty long but I like the flow off it. My real name is Derek so that's akay too (and much shorter)lol. Thanks for the complements  , it really does help to talk to people interested in the same things like this. I'm glad to have found a forum where people actually post everday. I guess yahoo groups aren't the best way to go. I agree with you to a degree about how everything in our dreams is our on consciousness and is us creating it down to the ground we walk on and the air we fly in. But I kind of feel that in certain stages of the process of dreaming that maybe it is more solid or is seperate from us maybe other consciousnesses interacting with us or so on but for the majority it seems like it's all us. It is pretty fascinating to think that our consciousness is moving about so fast that we can see it or percieve it all at once. Hmm... or maybe our consciousness can just be all over the place at the same time. It's makes me crazy just thinking about it.  existenceisadream |
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Apr 1, 2005 19:46:09 GMT -5
lol, olkay Derek, thats cool
and your welcome
I too think there is something more, from my expreinces, I have seen more vivid lands than in reality itself.
I have also perceived myself in many differant ways, I always look into mirrors when I leave my body for some reason..
thats another story however, haha
well I m glad your here and yeah I am happy to see people with interest posting!
I hope it continues to grow.and thanks for your support!!
I enjoy reading of your expreinces as well!
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Post by nani on Apr 3, 2005 12:47:27 GMT -5
yeah yes I do agree to Ronni, its great that you are here and also the experiences you`ve gained already are very interesting and also helpful for me, I think, I feel a kind of stucked in my progress, or like I should start from the bottom again.. I truly slowly start to doubt my brain lol.. I dont know, this often false awakening irritates me a lot. And I suppose it wouldnt, if I could become lucid like you.
One other question:
What do you think about the "split-theory" or split problems, have you heard of such a thing, meaning that while seperating from your body the consciousness doesnt get entirely into your astral-body and that causing irritation or fear.
best regards
Nani
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Apr 3, 2005 12:52:09 GMT -5
Nani
Is this the same thing as perhaps not being aware completely and our attachmant to our body is still present therefore, disableing us to be fully out..?
this has happend to me many times, but I think it helps us out and shows us how to detach completely from the body and the physical
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Post by nani on Apr 3, 2005 13:27:41 GMT -5
from existenceisadream: that sounds good to me, cause then maybe I`ll become lucid soon, cause of those reaccuring false awakenings. Oh and I just realise something: my false awakenings are not any more fearful as before, they are just insightful and full of help.
Have your false awakenings (when you were a kid, if you remember) also become more pleasant and insightful with the time??
I would set up the theory that maybe maybe you ARE doing this together with them, but with their astral-bodies, because I have heard and could belive that our astral-bodies and also our dream-bodies are "working" with each other anyways when they want to, they dont need to ask our egos so to say. Like our souls are developing and growing silutaneously on different planes or in different dimensions during we are incarnated.
best regards
Nani
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Post by nani on Apr 3, 2005 13:30:39 GMT -5
Ronni, yes I think so too. Thank you.
best reagrds
Nani
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, it really does help to talk to people interested in the same things like this. I'm glad to have found a forum where people actually post everday. I guess yahoo groups aren't the best way to go.