Lucid Dreaming, expaining, why is it worth it?

[michael]

Lucid Dreaming, why is it worth it?

I want to be just as good as ronni at it. (Lucid Dreaming)But I don't know the benefits. Please tell me your view for the entertaining parts of lucid dreaming. I'm a newbie at it. And I like to enjoy the entertaining side of it. Where to start? what to know? Please enlighten me

BTW I Like very much, the new emotions =-D

[SiderealWraith]

It is sought because it is not normally had.
Consider this:
If we were all in a dreamworld, would we not long for something less ordinary (in that case, less fantastical) and therefore 'dream' of a wildly different world of which we had no schemata to evaluate with?

Humans are never satisfied.
Give them a dreamworld, they want a bleak (which to them would instead be wondrous) world, and vise versa as we have here.
I can't explain why I follow such predictable human nature, alas, everything in life is either pleasure- or pain-oriented so, what can one do...?

[~¤LilacSky¤~]

I think its more about the restrictions this life has on us, and it does in many ways, if you think your free your a fool, and again the limititaions of man keep coming back over and over, this is my gateway that I created , not man....and I like to go there often even to see my shadows that haunt me.
I go there to see my own creativity, not that I dont have that here but this life is restricted, its kinda like cartoons and why I like them, anime can give more effects than movies can.
but overall it has nothing about humans never being satisfied, I found a awareness at a young age by writing a paper on the subject than my studies began because something happend that was NOT predictable, still crazy when I think about it now how it all happend.
and Im sorry but siderealwraith seems if you can predict human nature you would understand there is no black and white like pain and pleasure.......
again, man controlled, man made things here we are talking about, and the dumb thing is we have proven that fact time and time again, that we estblished pain and pleasure okay those are one of the five scenses, feeling.....feeling is physical, but in order to feel we must have thought to process the feeling of either or...sooo the cycle begins again...leading us to where we start, what is real and what is not.....it takes one single molecule to create and whos to say we created that very thing and choose to share something bigger than ourselves....human life.
honestly I get the feeling you are going through hard times and your negaitivity and your questions are obvious, you are simply confused, but maybe thats why you landed here?
I read all your posts and Im not judging in any way, I am just curious to what you seek here??
Im sorry Im just an honest person and I try to make sense with folks in order to see where their coming from exactly.
btw this life is only a blink..if you wana talk pls pm me
you may be surprised at what potential humans have or your own threshold for that matter

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I feel siderealwraith has a point that people want a dreamworld and people are never satisfied. But this severely simplifies humans. Maybe as a group humans are never satisfied, but you can't forget the power of the individual. Though part of the group, the individual has his secret thoughts and desires that rule his being. He isn't a meaningless drone walking through life seeking his desires and disregarding all others. People are naturally altruistic. This has been proven by evolutionary psychologists. Nothing is only pain or pleasure. Like Ronni says, this is way too black and white. If you look at the world though, it's mostly gray except for some extreme cases.
Besides the fact that people want a dreamworld, this isn't the only reason. Michael, many people practice lucid dreaming because they want to establish a greater connection with their unconscious mind. With this connection comes a greater peace and clarity in your life. Also, a greater understanding of yourself can be gleaned from your experiences. I feel that lucid dreaming isn't 100% a dreamworld, things still run into your lucid dream that you hadn't planned and remnants of your past dreams start to show up. I would call it more a "surreal consciousness."

[SiderealWraith]

Allow me to introduce to you two of the most fancied sisters in all of life's elapsing moments. They are called Inspiration and Creativity. Most commonly mistaken as twins, their encouragement is unique, and without the one you quickly come to realize that the other is nowhere near the same. One may enjoy the company of Inspiration—our muse, ideas, concepts, and thoughts without origin—but, without her sibling we do not know WHAT to create. I'm sure you've felt the need to express something, but just couldn't find the right words to birth what urged the expression. Eloquence of writing is the cue of Creativity, but what if her sister isn't there? You can write like a professor of English, but the 'feeling' of the writing is absent... maybe forming your piece into the wild ramblings of a well-written schizophrenic.

So does Creativity lure you into a darkened corner in order to court her? This gateway you mention, the only way to keep from visiting is to blind ourselves, with both eyesight and amnesia. Indeed there IS a better being, but not you or I... perhaps not even a carbon-based or corporeal creature. We've already been humans and therefore cannot repair the eternal imperfection communicated onto Us.

Randomness is a most crucial idea here, because it implies the unknowable mystery behind creation, timelessness and eternity. Let's assume the reality to be a succession of somehow intelligent randomness (call it Rand). Rand's left hand, logical spontaneity, gives us biodiversity to which we may try to divine scientific law after. Clasped in Rand's right are the materials; from chemicals to ectoplasm to foundations for multiple dimensions. Does Rand have a heart? Does he love, judge, and forgive? Is he omnipotent and omnipresent? Is there a nemesis or anti-Rand? Only Rand can know himself or what he's created. One thing is for sure, Rand's humans cannot acknowledge him. He is but an invisible glimmer in the deep sky of their dreamworld. They are just too myopic with their pain- or pleasure-oriented lives to be acquainted with the infamous rogue.

That's what our existence is founded upon (pain, pleasure and all the in-betweens). We're supposed to be pleased, and if not, we are in pain. Some wish to quell the pain. Some are repelled by pleasure but aren't in pain, rather, they care for neither and life becomes a matter of expiration dates. And others enjoy pain, or schadenfreude (which is really their pleasure disguised as pain). What does the mind make of these phenomena? It doesn't feel, it's only enhanced or dulled in the presence of them. Then we pry open the iced-shut vault of thoughtforms... pondering all the whys and why-nots... formulating philosophies and other perspectives that tell of each individual's fantasy, their noetic pain and pleasure.

I'm not trying to declare that I'm some kind of mastermind, by any means. However, the predictability and impetus of any organism known or possibly unknown to us is too easy to determine. Has Rand made any creatures without behavior or instinct?
Doubtful.

In any case, whether happy or unhappy, there is death. Sentiments aside, each and every known being in the domain we all inhabit goes through the same processes. Intelligence? Pffft! Don't make me laugh. Say humankind did return to their former intellectual acuity, THEN what? Same shit, different lifestyle to put it quite bluntly. A cat's intelligence is no different, no better, and no worse than my own, nor a diamond's, a plant's, or an ocean's.

I could never regard humans as even slightly remarkable, as long as I'm very much acquainted with their weaknesses. Tell you more if interested.

You said that you felt I was going through hard times, well maybe it was tough... Tough enough for those awfully somber vibes to resonate in the here-and-now, but not much anymore. Actually, I can't say that for sure because I'm no longer pestered by emotion. Perhaps I'm jam-packed with sorrow and don't even know it; it's possible. And it's also possible that you intercept this feeling from a soul fragment lost in who-knows-where. I dunno. Either I have instant understanding or none at all. I feel like I'm in the same position Gav's friend explains here.

Why do YOU seek answers, and before that is replied to, what exactly is the question? Did you ever question your question? Why must/n't there be meaning to anything?