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Post by RubyRose on Mar 21, 2005 12:29:47 GMT -5
Ok.. so here we go... I myself believe that mind and body are connected if you have headache you're sad and grumpy. same goes to every time you have illness. and those smokers who believe that they have cancers propably will have cancer. and placebo works same way. i think this enough prologue... when you think you'll heal you'll heal.. and by thinking somepart of body you concentrate to it. and when you concentrate to one part you'll put energy there and so it heals same way you'll heal a friend. but for me I won't use my energy to heal. no no... i use kind a vampiric way.... i first suck little energy from here and there from that who needs healing and then i'll give it back concetrating to part that needs healing... get it?  |
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Post by Holly on Mar 23, 2005 8:33:55 GMT -5
Hi RubyRose (love the name btw!),
I understand what you are saying about if you believe that you can heal then you can do it. I think that a big part of healing is all to do with wanting to heal and good intentions.
The second bit, can you be a bit clearer on where you get the energy from to heal. I understand that you don't get it from yourself but does it come from the Earth's energy or spirit energy or is it simply the energy of the person who requires healing?
Thanks,
Love Hol.
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Post by RubyRose on Mar 29, 2005 1:09:45 GMT -5
I mostly use the energy from person who i heal.
but you canalso use anybody elses energy.
I prefer the energy of one i heal 'cos if you take from other i think it's like transfering blood. Not all blood Is good for everyone.
you see, energy is in everywhere in the body. some places have more energy than others so i tkae there and put it to healable place. f.e. you got very little energy in your right hand but you got lots of energy in your left foot. let's take that energy from foot and share it with the hand.
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Post by nani on Apr 3, 2005 13:47:18 GMT -5
now after reading twice I understand you Ruby Rose, first I got you totally wrong.
Yes I would absolutely agree with you. Its much better to use the energy of the one him/her-self than adding energy from outside. Reminds me a bit to Ai-ki-do. Using the attack-energy of the other, turning it arround and away.
Thats a good thing for healing I can imagine. In times when I was working, not as a healer, but in a healing-profession like reiki/massage thingee, I often lost energy by working "normally" like giving my energy to another one, then had to meditate and do a lot of cleaning afterwards. But for example in dance-therapy I only was working (with shizophrenic people) with the energy of the others, everything else they would have perceived as invasion and refused absolutely.
So I think you are very right.
best regards
Nani
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Post by Gav on Apr 7, 2005 3:19:39 GMT -5
Hi all,
Very interesting.
I’m no expert, my method is home grown.
I have had the opportunity to cure a few headaches but nothing more than that.
It started as a self cure, I suffer migraine and I needed a way to disperse the pain. I found that if I placed my hand on my head and synched the energetic pulse of my hand with that of my brain I could move the pain around, eventually I could spread it so thin that it would just be a minor irritation.
It is very interesting that Nani mentions Aikido as it was all very circular movements I had to use, it was about integrating and moving the energy that was there already rather than adding to it or blocking it.
Interestingly when I tried this method on other people it did not work at first, actually my hand used to end up soar and sometimes the persons headache would get worse. I figured the problem to be that I was using my own energy, when really I should be moving theirs,. Lead don’t force.
Aikido principles as Nani says make sense here, in aikido they use what is often termed neutralisation circuits, basically this can be thought of as rotating flux of your energy (or your body) that leads an oncoming attack into the circuit and redirects the attacks energy - to the floor for example (very brief introduction to aikido lol )
The idea of hitting strength with strength in aikido principle is archaic and leads to injury and a match of strength rather than elegance. Passive truly can be a great force.
I don’t know how far that principle can be applied as I have never tried healing anything more than a headache and only on a set few people.
Gav
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Post by blake on Apr 15, 2005 16:02:52 GMT -5
Hey.
Gav, I'm surprised you are so in tune with your own energy without practicing tai chi or anything... because the method you described sounds like EQH which takes years to really get good at. Do you think that your ability to manipulate energy is a result of your OBEing? Maybe the opposite could be true though... and you OBEing is a result of your energy.
In the back of Rich Mooney's Lin Kong Jing manual there's a section on how to perform EQH (external qi healing). I'll see if I can copy some of it onto here for next week for if you want to try what he does. (I have to go for the weekend right now). I guess maybe I'll have to try it myself sometime... I think I'd be kinda shy about trying it on my friends though because my main friends are in med' school and dentistry school and I'd be afraid they'd be like "yeah right" since they're so western-medicine-oriented. My brother's in dentistry school along with 2 other good friends, and my brother's girlfriend is in med school.
I definitly agree with Rubyrose about the state of mind having an affect on the body. That's really been pretty much proven hasn't it? Today in my psychology class we were talking about the affects of stress on the body, and the teacher said that you get sick like 80% of the time that your under a ton of stress... or like half the time that your under moderate stress (apparently there have been studies). And about placebos... have you ever read a study on those? They work!
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Post by blake on Apr 21, 2005 22:12:04 GMT -5
My qi gong teacher looks really young, in fact he's 45 and looks (and sounds) 25. When people see him at seminars sometimes they apparently think he's an imposter lol. The fact that he looks so young is a great example of the mind-body connection. He told me that every day for a couple minutes he imagines these things called telomeres getting longer, and he says they have gotten longer (I don't know if he's had 'em measured or if that's just based off his appearance). He said it's a matter of having a powerful enough mind.
Qi gong also helps to keep people's bodies from aging... as I mentioned in my qi gong quide on the astral abyss, people who do it well enough and long enough don't lose athleticism as they get older... like that wang shu jin guy who would easily defeat the top competitors from other countries into his 80s. Rich is still unique though because his facial appearance is also young. Here is a cut and pasted paragraph on what telomeres are... basically their shortening is reponsible for aging.
Telomeres:
Rich says that one of his qi gong teachers lived to be 114, and that his goal is 150.
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Post by Gav on Apr 22, 2005 8:30:34 GMT -5
Hi,
Interesting observation, I have never really made any attempt to correlate the onset of the two – in as much as I never really considered energy manipulation and OBE to be in conjunction until much more recent years.
I guess casting my mind back I have in one way or the other always been able to do both, this does as you suggest indicate a very interesting link, and somewhat of a chicken and the egg paradox.
I believe that my first experiences (off the top of my head) with internal energy were after suffering migraine. When I was a young man (oh much younger than today – there’s a song in there somewhere!) I used to suffer extreme migraine. The effects were often more like a mild stroke.
I would first go dyslexic and the vision in my right eye would become magnified. The left side of body would then go cold and I would feel what seemed like clouds moving through the left side of my body. This I understand as my first experience of internal energy movement.
Interestingly the doctor who I first went to see prescribed me with a drug called migril, it was basically ergot (LSD is derived from this) and among the many, many side effects of taking these tablets was the narrowing of blood vessels, and an all encompassing numbness everywhere but the head which unfortunately still hurt but.. I found that after taking these tablets I could control the waves of what I had described as numbness in my body, and the feeling of them seemed to be enhanced.
I could move this numbness around my body in very much the same way that we would move our more electric energy sensations around today. I would connect the numbness initially with the reduced blood circulation from narrowed blood vessels, but once we consider that I had control of the numbness it no longer fits so simple a physiological explanation.
This certainly did not amount to energy raising though, only manipulation. I did not begin to actively raise energy until my early teens when I became interested in PSI phenomena – this raising amounted to nothing more than standing in my room relaxed with the palms of my hands facing the floor, and imagining energy circulating up through my feet into the various parts of my body and I would then well it near my solar plexus.
My energy raising has not really become much more than that even in more recent times other than I use chakra visualisation and breathing exercises.
I did go through a stage from about 17 to early twenties when I was fascinated with the cabbala, I would practice cabbalistic rituals and meditation which had an incredibly high focus on using visualisation to raise energy.
The techniques though were always mentally focussed, rather than physical. One such technique was a meditation to connect to the astral void and absorb energy from there.
Interesting is to consider that we may have differing currents of internal energy, as I know you (Blake) have been concentrating some studies on this area.
In addition to these internal currents we would seem to be able to tune into energy currents that are external to us. Such as other people, or archetypal structures such as with ceremonial magick and such related aspects of ‘high magick’, were the energy is never the practitioners to begin with, at least in theory.
I became very interested in the projection of energy after observing the effects of projecting my energy into plants. I guess ever since then I have always been very good at manipulating energy, but perhaps not so knowledgeable on raising energy – at least not in the more martial-eastern form.
When we project energy out of us, I guess it is no longer internal. Is this yet another form of energy?, or perhaps the same energy in a differing environment.
I am aware of everything having an energetic essence and this is also one of the mechanisms of being empathic, in that this particular form of energy (the aura) seems to portray an amount of information about the originator (or controller) of that current. Things that can be gauged among others are intentions, feelings and health.
Those are just a few possible different currents of energy off the top of my head, I am sure though that you have looked into this in much more detail than me.
Its tough to correlate but I would say that both OBE and energy manipulation have gone hand in hand, but with perhaps neither being responsible for the other. This does not mean that they do not rely on each other though, only that I do not specifically recall having experience of one before the other.
Last weekend I was laid on the sofa in the living room. I had just come out of the bath were I had been playing with energy movements. I had a phase out whilst on the sofa. I used to suffer these quite a lot. The best way to describe it is a spontaneous astral experience, with stronger perception than awareness.
The locations I perceive in these experiences are usually very normal, and I am usually so deep in trance that I am un-aware of anything being strange. I just observe without questioning and I have never been aware of an astral body in any such experience.
In this particular experience the last thing I remember before it happened was laying on the sofa vibrating with energy. Next I was looking at a huge brick house with a wall all around it. It was in a street lined with trees and it was night time and raining. I may have observed this scene very calmly for as much as half an hour before my awareness returned.
This is the funny bit, and is totally new to me. When I came back and shook myself out of it I had a trail of sticky white gunk on my left arm all the way from my finger tip to half way up my fore arm. It was sticky like glue and formed in a seemingly perfect line. I know it was not there before I phased out as I had just got out of the bath. Funnily enough ectoplasm sprung to mind.
Be it ectoplasm (which I have never seriously considered before) or something else I am almost certain that it arrived on my arm as a side effect of my phasing out. My thoughts are along the line of could this, and further could reports of ectoplasm be connected with a manifestation of internal energy?
This field most certainly deserves some serious investigation and I plan to join you investigating this field just as soon as I clear some time on my calendar.
I still have not begun seriously practicing Tai Chi, but I see little reason why I cannot resume that tomorrow as it would be interesting to compare results and thoughts.
Sounds interesting Blake, I would certainly like to see what information you have on this area, thanks.
Every day we find but more questions needing answers.
I should consider my past usage of energy in its different guises in much more detail, I never really considered it enough before, just kind of took it for granted.
Kind Regards
Gav.
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Post by blake on Apr 22, 2005 18:34:17 GMT -5
That's really weird about the ectoplasm. I don't even know what that is (outside of ghostbusters lol) I'll have to look that up. It couldn't have been dog drool could it have? Let us know if that happens again.
So what happen when you project energy into plants?
My energy raising isn't really that much different than what you described from when you would just stand with your hands facing down. I just stand in the wu ji qi gong posture which is knees unlocked and everything else relax. After that I do chakra stim' though and then store energy with silent meditation for the same amount of time that I stand for (usually an hour each). It's simple but really affective. I might change it up a little if I can get a back muscle issue under control but I think my program is good enough as it is.
I got a massage for my back today by a girl that teaches yoga. She said that her parents owned a meditaiton center since she was 5, so i got to talk to her about all sorts of things. She told me about this qi gong teacher that sometimes comes through town here who is 106 years old and moves and looks much younger. She said she hadn't met him but met a senior student of his that was 68 and looked like he was in his 30s. I think that you'll really come to like tai chi. Did you see what I just wrote in here about that magazine I found? It's the "cool stuff" post also in the energy training section of the forum. I think energy training is the most worthwhile thing anyone can do.
That girl who I got a massage from also had some interesting things to say about what I described to her as my exit-energy. I have been wondering if it could be more along the lines of kundalini and she said that kundalini is really the same thing as qi and that it may ust be stronger because my body is more relaxed. That kinda makes sense to me and that's what I've been thinking... although I know that some people only consider kundalini the up-the-spine phenomena.
My earliest experiences with moving energy dealt with more physical energy. I used to be able to like, pump adrenaline rush type energy out of what I now know as my lower dantian. It would make me wide awake if i was tired, and it would make me breath all hard, just like a legitamate adrenaline rush. About a year ago, when I really still hadn't done any real energy training I got on one of those blood pressure measurers in a store and gave myself that same rush and my blood pressure (which is normally low) was through the roof. My brother's girlfriend's friend who is in med school was there and she thought i had like terribly high blood pressue lol.
I guess that the vib state was my first experience with a non-physical sort of energy... or, maybe when i used to get sick some. i did used to get qi-like heat sensations when I was sick sometimes. Ooh, another benefit of qi work is that you won't get sick anymore. I try to make bets with people that they can't make me sick now. My ex-girlfriend had mono for like 2 months and I never got it. You should read up on all the benefits if you're not aware of them. They are really great.
Mactombs was just telling me about this book he said is really good. I haven't looked at it yet. He said:
I'll see if I can post the info on EQH early next week. I've gotta get going on some things now.
Later:)
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