Salvia Divinorum Meditation

[michael]

This stuff is perfect for meditation. It has the marjuwana effects without the disturbing trippy sounds that make things disturbed. And it's less intense then marjuwana. So it's peaceful material. You can ajust how high you wont to be and how good you wont to feel. It has a very addicting sensations all over my body. I wont to experience more of this sensation threw longer use. After the come down I felt like I needed another lift- high. Only problem I ran out of money lolz. Only problem is if your in a cold enviroment this stuff can freeze ya to death. Im incredibly cold from using salvia divinorum. Next time I will be more prepared and dress up smart

[existenceisadream]

Hey Michael I highly suggest before posting about a drug like this that you get all the facts straight. First off this drug is nothing like marijuana or any other drug and the effects from this "powerful" drug can be thousands of times stronger than any marijuana strain you can find. Taken in very small dosages the effects may be relaxing and not seem too intense but believe me once you pass a "threshold" and your body absorbs enough of the main drug component "Salvinorin A" your experience will go from that of a kick back relaxing meditation feeling to an experience that will blow you away. Not saying it's a bad experience but a majority of people would never take this drug again after experiencing it.
Anyways I just felt your post was very misleading but I guess if you've only been taking it in very small dosages then you may not know just how powerful this plant really is.
Don't take my reply as an insult I just don't want info posted about this very "powerful" drug that is only an experience you may feel from a very small dosage.
Here's a link that will explain the many different forms salvia can be taken (smoking it, eating it, whether it's in extracted form...) and the drastic differences of experiences you will experience depending on what form you take the salvia in and so on.

www.sagewisdom.org/faq.html

But yes you are right Michael. This drug along with meditation (using the drug with meditation really is the only way to use it, it's not exactly a recreational drug) is can be very beneficial.

[michael]

Level -1 "S stands for SUBTLE effects." A feeling that "something" is happening, although it is difficulty to say just what. Relaxation and increased sensual appreciation may be noted. This mild level is useful for meditation and may facilitate sexual pleasure.

Level - 2 "A stands for ALTERED perception." Colors and textures are paid attention to. Appreciation of music may be enhanced. Space may appear of greater or lesser depth than is usual. But visions do not occur at this level. Thinking becomes less logical, and more playful; short term memory difficulties are may be noted.

Level - 3 "L" stands for LIGHT visionary state." Closed eye visuals (clear imagery with eyes closed: fractal patterns, vinelike and geometric patterns, visions of objects and designs). The imagery is often two dimensional. If open eyed visual effects occur these are usually vague and fleeting. At this level phenomena similar to the hypnagogic phenomena that some people experience at sleep onset occur. At this level visions are experienced as "eye candy" but are not confused with reality.

Level - 4 "V stands for VIVID visionary state." Complex three dimensional realistic appearing scenes occur. Sometimes voices may be heard. With eyes open contact with consensual reality will not be entirely lost, but when you close your eyes you may forget about consensus reality and enter completely into a dreamlike scene. Shamanistic journeying to other lands, foreign or imaginary; encounters with beings, entities, spirits; or travels to other ages may occur. You may even live the life of another person. At this level you have entered the shaman's world. Or if you prefer you are in "dream time." With eyes closed you experience fantasies (dream like happenings, with a story line to them). So long as your eyes are closed you may believe they are really occurring. This differs from the "eye candy" closed eye imagery, of level 3.

Level - 5 "I" stands for IMMATERIAL existence." At this level consciousness remains and some thought processes are still lucid, but one becomes completely involved in inner experience and loses all contact with consensual reality. Individuality may be lost; one experiences merging with God/dess, mind, universal consciousness, or bizarre fusions with other objects real or imagined, e.g. merging with a wall may be experienced. At this level it is impossible to function in consensual reality, but unfortunately some people do not remain still but move around in this befuddled state. For this reason a sitter is essential to ensure the safety of someone voyaging to the inner levels. To the person experiencing this, the phenomenon may be terrifying or exceedingly pleasant; but to an outside observer the individual may appear confused or disoriented.

Level 6 - "A stands for AMNESIC effects " At this stage either consciousness is lost; or at least one is unable to later recall what one is experiencing. The individual may fall, or remain immobile or thrash around; somnambulistic behavior may occur; injuries can be sustained without pain being felt; on awakening the individual will have no recollection of what he/she did, experienced or said in level 6. People cannot ever recall what they experience in this very deep trance state. This is not a sought after level as later nothing can be recalled of the experience.

Your right this drug can be powerful. I was at level 1 level 2
I didn't wont to continue getting higher because I felt high sick

[michael]

What I felt in my experience was pleasant. I would say Marijuana is way more powerful then Salvia.

Believe me the hashes extracts of THC is much much more intense then salvia. I've been smoking pot and I know what I experienced.

I can't tell the difference. They both can be just as strong.

Have you ever smoked bud?
Have you ever smoked indoor skunk with resin all around the bud?

Believe me smoking marijuana can be just as strong.

On marijuana
I experienced visual hallucinations in the physical. Tripping hard out on m8s. Incredibly LOUD SOUNDS THAT ARE TERRIFYING. Also my perception on reality was changed. On good bud I would see different colours and textures of how my visual world was shaped.

[existenceisadream]

Yes those are the levels that can be attained from salvia. Most people that get to the last 2 levels that you listed never will use it again cause it's so intense. But then if you're already familiar with OBE'ing and the sleep paralysis state then the experience wont shock you as much as to terrified of it.
Just use cation when smoking this plant especially if you ever plan on taking higher doses cause it can be very intense. But it sounds like you've done you research on it.

[michael]

If you have read level 5 6 those are the levels where the loss of consciousness becomes present. When I smoked salvia I wasn't aware what was behind me only what was in front of me. It was like behind me didn't exist unless I looked behind me it would be created and what was in front of me is now the back of me which doesn't exist. That may not make sense but basically what I cannot see on my vision screen is not their as if it was a void. A void that cannot be experienced because this void doesn't exist.

That's the weird thing about salvia is it's suppose to enhance consciousness not lose it.

[michael]

Derek how do you do your energy raising?

Do you use salvia as a aid to energy raise?

[existenceisadream]

No not at all. For me it's getting to be every part of my day is my energy "training" and raising. I've been learning to take in energy that's everywhere to be taken in and in place releasing any bad energy within me. But I do use actual meditations for energy raising as well. I use my own form of qi gong that is really effective for me as well as tai chi style movements. The movements change with how I'm progressing and each energy raising and energy distrubiting meditation can be different than the last time I did it. Each day I can have higher levels of being able to feel the energy but still can have low days as well. The more I'm opening myself up to existence and it's massive energy the more sensitive I'm becoming to it.
The way you described this specific experience of yours using salvia it sounds like you're doing it and trying to act in "this" physical existence with eyes open. Salvia should be used in more of a meditative style while lying down or sitting in a chair with your eyes shut like you would when meditating. Trying to move around and interact with this physical existence can be dangerous while using salvia cause of loss of motor skills (like walking our what not). It does sound though like you're experiencing low level salvia effects so it may not be a problem to act in this physical existence. I recomend though lying down with eyes closed in a dark and quiet atmosphere. This will bring about a "deeper" experience.
Yes I know that in levels 5 and 6 of salvia that you lose consciousness. Thing is though is that you can gain it at any moment during the experience and be very confused of where you are especially when you find yourself not in this physical existence or in a mixture of this one and where you "find yourself".

[osiris]

Nice to see you posting up about this Michael. I dont understand how you ran out of cash for it though it was a decent price for the small amount needed. Are you smoking it or chewing or also there is a drink they make of it as well that is supposed to have the longest affect but not the strongest as the smoke would. Hmm so many sites and so many prices ive seen for it maybe you should search around a bit more. I know this was not a question directed at me but i think energy training really needs to come in as natural a state as possible. That way you get a feel for energy at all times not just while under the influence. as you progress than you utilize that energy for the experimenting stages instead of wasting that important time on energy building please dont get me wrong meditation is a fantastic time for it but use that time "while influenced by outside things" to progress at insight and the feeling of the moment. I know really well that when you can feel energy without any HELP it will stay forever after a while and than you can play more.

[michael]

I smoke it and I might chew it this friday. If only the vendors will sell it to me like they did before. Remember im only 17 and the legal age is 18 to purchase. If they ask for ID im doomed.

Remember I only get 40 dollers a week now. So now I spend it on the internet caffy and on saliva.

Now about that addicting sensation I was talking about. I researched more on salvia. And it produces Euphoric sensation. Euphoric= sense of well being. Even after sober I feel great. Euphoric is really good for meditation.

I can't believe something legal can be soo good.

[osiris]

ahhh yes after is definatly a very good time...pretty peaceful feel. yes i had forgotten your age. Sorry.

[michael]

If I contact Divine Spirits through salvia obe. I will ask for energy body clensing. Remove all negative energy from my body. Ask to activate all my chakras. Then Eventually ask for Kundalini activation. And get a divine spirit attachment. Just like negs attach themselves to people. But I will have a divine spirit attachment.

[michael]

The experience has turned out like shit. I wont be buying the salvia plant.

I guess I will have to do it the hard way, that's sober work on chakras and obeing to achieve god head.

[osiris]

Hmmm can we get some more depth to that bro? I mean i have had nothing but good experiance with it so i wonder why you say that?

[michael]

A word of warning. Well a high dose can be lethally scary. It can be too overwhelming. It makes a perfect party drug too. Mixing Salvia with marijuana. (Low dose Only) Today I offered salvia 10X to a bunch of stoned stoners. They weren't exactly that stoned. But the salvia surely kicked in their buzz and they were happy trippers.

I recommend if you want to meditate on salvia it can only be done on (Low Dose Only)

High dose you won't pay attention to meditation because you will be very busy bouncing of the walls in your bedroom.