Dragon Singer O.B.E.

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Yay I can actually, sort of/kind of, help people with o.b.e.ing. Kelly, tell us what you have tried in means of o.b.e.

[DragonSinger]

WEll, two things. One, please you have already tried helping me many times, and why are you teaching when you have not managed yet to get out?

[~¤LilacSky¤~]

hey I posted to this last night, must have not went through anyway..kelly cool! okay so perhaps read the obe faq's page and the obe board and if you can read astral abyss the dream and obe guides..
I have alot to do but I will get back with you, we are starting a book soon, maybe you can join us with that too..because that will help..
yes and let me know what youve tried already..
thanks!
thanks section for helping

[DragonSinger]

Well... Ive tried thorugh the cord. Ive tried through meditation. Ive tried Other things too, but I can't remember them.

Anyway, the closest I can think of is once during a meditation thingy(through readers digest, in other word just sitting there with music playing and not moving for half an hour. Very hard for me) Then I felt like I was standing up but I didnt and then it was over cause I opened my eyes. Maybe it was just me falling asleep though, hard to tell.

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dragonsinger said:

WEll, two things. One, please you have already tried helping me many times, and why are you teaching when you have not managed yet to get out?

But I have gotten out.

Just with what I did, You need to do dream recall. It makes it that much easier.

[DragonSinger]

Yeah, but I DONT dream. I do not like to dream. Whenever I dream its a nightmare.

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You do dream, you mind is just clouded. It doesn't matter if you have bad dreams. You need to ba able to control your sub-concious.

[~¤LilacSky¤~]

well first of all,..everyone dreams every single night..we all go through the rem stage and that is where dreams are induced but anyway. it is important to know your own mind..because that is what your doing is transfering your mind from one place to another..well kelly what about energy work..maybe you can try that or I would suggest the dream recall as well..or even reading about obes alot may help too..
perhaps all these things combined would help you..
and being positive that you can achieve it..if you don't like to dream..and have nightmares alot..you must work on yourself for a bit..perhaps you aren't ready..because if you do end up leaving your body you may have to face obstacles that you will have to get past..honestly I would work on yourself for a bit untill you feel you are more optimistic about your views of yourself and what ever problems you may have within..that maybe causing the nightmares..start with the nightmares..get passed them and than move on to obe's..but thats up to you of course..its all up to you.
I had to face my inner demons for a while and I didn't like it because I had to face things I didn't like about myself , but we have to face them to get through to the next level of growth..if we wish to grow that is..so let me know..its up to you..

[DragonSinger]

Energy things, those I am good at. I love doing energy things. They are fun. I fee like sometimes just walking down the street and pulling energy.

My inner demons, now that, is something I wish I could ignore. My inner demons are.... pronounced to say the least. I am always scared of what I might be, because I truly do not know. Sometimes when I build up alot of energy I have that ring around my iris thing, and I start to lose controle of myself.

[~¤LilacSky¤~]

it sounds like energy may help you,..and you may like it..so maybe read blakes energy guide on astral abyss and also energy techniques here on the forum..I don't know much about energy work, but he does and few others do too..about your demons, we all have to face them as we grow, because there will always be something we need to face about ourselves, both good and bad..so the sooner you start to face them the easeir it becomes to face them later and they don't build up inside you..
I know meditation can be hard , even for me so maybe start a dream journal and we can work together through your dreams and nightmares and help you see more of what is going on inside..because you are always growing/changing..always..and we are always learning about ourselves. and dreams help out big time because they show you how to understand your emotions..and emotions are complicated..and can be hard to figure out..so its up to ..Im sure youll get past these things..you seem strong..
I think if we just sit with ourselves sometimes and feel for a bit ,..we start to build a connection with your subconscous..

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Yes akatia. Your the person that can't sit in one place for a long time without moving, so energy might be what you need to use to leave your body. The demons need to be pushed away, it's a mental thing, and they aren't real. I don't know if I had demons. All I know is I see people out of the corner of my eyes all of the time lol anyway. Dreaming does help. It really does.

[~¤LilacSky¤~]

demons are only the dark side of us..we create them..just as the light side..ya know the best thing to do realy is to try to see the humor in everything because that will help push the negative thoughts away.. Its also good not to be so serious about things..to see the light in everything ya know

section yeah I think we all see things out of the corners of our eyes I would say that they are our imagination and possibly spirits..

[DragonSinger]

Well, I'll go read his now, and for now, with the dreams, I think I may have an idea. I can't just sit there and wait for myself to fall asleep. So what I do is I read ect. Until I can no longer. Then I do a simple calming spell, and asleep I am.

Then, perhaps my subconcious dreams, but my body is too tired to bother percieving it. Maybe if I force myself to lay there long enough Ill fall asleep and dream, otherwise I dream MAYBE every two months.

Heres my latest dream from a few days ago:

I was in this weird camp. There was a huge stone cement wall keeping us in, it was like a boot camp we couldn't escape from. I know me and Amy were there, but I didn't know anyone else. We wanted, no needed to get out, but I dont remember why. Okay, so then one day during lunch I went and tried to get out. What I did was went to the head guys office ( a huge burly angry guy) and there was no door in, it was just an open door way, and there was another one on the other sider, and there I could get to the wall. I don't remember why but I remember I couldn't get to it any other way. So I somehow climbed the wall, even though it was huge with no handholds or footholds, just strait. So I looked out and saw the highway.
Then I ran back to the mess hall and told Amy about it, and told her I had my parents number and we could call them on my cell phone if we got out. So during dinner we went and tried but got caught. So I dont know what happened to Amy, but I was thrown into my barrack and the head guy went, I bet you dont want to eat here alone do you? and I replied "I would be happy too" So he gave me this bowl with scraps of veggies in it, and I didnt eat them. Then I tried again that night, but he had put camera up all over the wall and they like told him or something and he came running and did the same thing as last time for my breakfast I think it was. Then I don't remember when it was but the next time I tried I got out, but then I realized I had forgotten about Amy. I didn't know where I was, and I was tired and hungry, but I sdtarted walking anyway, then a pole appeared beside me to help me along, then I took a turn thing and the highway was gone, it was just people walking along and there were lanes with these pole things (railings whatever) and so I kept walking, and I walked into this guy I knew and he had his sax case and I asked where are you going? And he said to the band camp, and I screamed, "NOOOOOOOOO THEY ARE EVIL THERE!" and stumbled on. Then my brother woke me up. Thats all I can remember.

[~¤LilacSky¤~]

hi kelly, Im glad your recalling your dreams and with so much detail too.
does this dream have a meaning to you do you think? I mean did you have strong feelings from it when you woke up? and if so what were they? I think again being trapped is the dream theme here but it could be something else..do you feel like your stuck anywhere in your life at this time? do you feel overwhelmed by life and feel there is no way to breakthrough? maybe this means you are trying to breakthrough yourself..
anyway this is a good start and you can recall much detail which is very cool I think..and what is the spell you use for sleep? if you don't mind..
have you tried affirmations at all?
like "I recall my dreams easily" or "I am aware I am dreaming"..you can always try these..I find them very helpful and used them for many years..
let me know and if you want add this to your dream journal..so we can start to put together common themes and make sense of your symbols as well..

[DragonSinger]

Terror, LOTS of terror, hmm... breakthrough... ummm... but then why was my best friend there? I was thinking I was scared cause I left her behind.

My spell is:
Everything is fine and bright
Day must follow every night,
My power keeps me safe from harm,
The goddess hold me in her arms.

and sure, lets do that dream journal thing. I have tried affirmations, but then I couldn't fall asleep it seemed for like hours. All I could do was lay there. Anyway, the dream journal thing might be a bit amtpy though, but I'll try.

[~¤LilacSky¤~]

your best friend is probably representing a part of yourself..perhaps something you both share and have in common..
and that spell is very positive so thats good that you are doing that..and maybe try the affirmations with it or a few nights out of the week ya know..and yeah the dream journal is a good idea..good start..okay kelly cool..good job..your on your way!!
oh and if you want still check out some energy tecniques..on blakes guide..good luck..and hopefully your dream recall improves and your awareness too!

[nani]

Hi Kelly, I was thinking about your dream and as dreams have such an importance for me, also for the reason that I think they do announce OBEs at times, I thought I might dare some interpretation hints, but please keep in mind that Im no "professional interpreter".

But first shortly, its nothing wrong with reading before sleep, but important WHAT you read, cause the things you read, especially short before sleep, are surely influencing your dream. So, if you`re longing for OBEs I would say its the best to read things which consist of OBE themes - so your subconscious will take this within on your dream-travel.

One way to look at dreams is, to imagine that you yourself are all the persons you have dreamed of. All these persons (actors) or things (wall, highway) are inner parts of you.

The "wall" could mean the theme in the first place, the problem, which has to be overcome to get further, to develop further on your way.
The "highway" seen as a "road of growth" is visible for you - if you can overcome this problem (wall). A road often represents our path and development.
"Amy", yes like Ronni said, I also see as a part of yourself, a split part, which needs to be internalised, made one again.
You both want, need to get out (but only can get out through confronting and overcoming the problem, a fear - the wall)
The "head-guy", could be the representative of this certain fear. The part within you, who "thinks" that you dont have to get out, even that its not allowed to get to see and know more than that what is inside the wall, the normal world of laws, orderliness and limits, our "real" world.
A couple and especially "parents" often do represent our Higher Selves (as they have become one on a certain level). So you know that your HigherSelf is there out side the wall and if you could overcome the wall (fear), that you then would get into contact with it.
You tried, got caught - so the power of this kind of "fear-institution" is quite strong, you are challenged further.
That you resisted the food I only can apply to a meaning of a stronger growing resistance against the fear&order you are imprisoned in.
The "camera" for me means much more control. Its like when we try to get free of certain things which keep us from growing, then first of all the so called "shadows" within us get stronger.
(Somehow we all got a kind of fear of freedom, which seems to be possible to overcome and get free of only step by step.)
Then you got out, partly, you made it, but left a part of you behind, still imprisoned, still afraid of freedom.
Still disorientated in the new exciting world of growth and freedom you felt "hungry" (lonely!?) but went on, because you found the first rewards of your courage and escape, the poles, which could be interpreted as symbols of the HSs-world, which do lead you on your path, once you have made the first step towards it.
So you kept walking through the new world, free walking people around, meeting then this sax-guy (who is going to go where you came out from, if I understood that right?)
Im not sure about that, but could mean that you are just warning yourself, or other sensitive (musician) parts of yourself to get into the same fear-trap again - on one side it could mean this. On the other side I feel, its rather a feeling only, that this "thinking of something as evil" is a main-hint in your dream anyhow.
The believe that something in this world or in the OBE world is evil could be the main hindrance for you to OBE (like for me and many) and it could be the main message of your dream for you.
Puuuuhhh lots of words, dont know if anything of this is right, its just what came to my mind.. and surely its a very great dream, a positive dream, your HigherSelf and all the possible help is there for you and you have the courage and the power to grow tremendously and to overcome the illusion to be imprisoned and to overcome the fear of any (for me illusive) evil. CONGRATS. lgn

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dragonsinger said:

Terror, LOTS of terror, hmm... breakthrough... ummm... but then why was my best friend there? I was thinking I was scared cause I left her behind.

My spell is:
Everything is fine and bright
Day must follow every night,
My power keeps me safe from harm,
The goddess hold me in her arms.

and sure, lets do that dream journal thing. I have tried affirmations, but then I couldn't fall asleep it seemed for like hours. All I could do was lay there. Anyway, the dream journal thing might be a bit amtpy though, but I'll try.

Yeah that is a good morgan one. Just keep on working on it Kelly.

[~¤LilacSky¤~]

section where is dragonsinger??? well I hope shes doing good and tell her I wanted to know about her progress with obes/dreams..thanks!