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Dec 1, 2010 15:57:34 GMT -5
Post by ~~section8... on Dec 1, 2010 15:57:34 GMT -5
Ok. I think this is the most appropriate location to put this. I'll start with some background information. I like to do more...active meditation I guess you could call it. XD Dancing really helps put me in the zone and a trance where I can experience some different states. Though sometimes I encounter a problem: an intense fear. Sometimes when I enter into a different state, I start feeling very vulnerable and like "demons" are surrounding me and attacking me. It's very frightening. It doesn't help when you're in the dark and you open your eyes and all the shadows are staring at you. XD Does anyone have any advice with regard to this? It really prevents me because once the fear starts, it's hard to stop it and I've even broken down in tears suddenly because of it.
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Dec 10, 2010 20:59:33 GMT -5
Post by sundogs34rcher on Dec 10, 2010 20:59:33 GMT -5
It's not demons that are attacking you, it is your fear. Never worry about fear, it creates moods that are learned. See this feeling as something to experience - we only fear what we dont understand.
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Dec 12, 2010 8:29:03 GMT -5
Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Dec 12, 2010 8:29:03 GMT -5
i agree with sundogs amy, and I think its cool you use dance as a trance state because I do as well, however its been a while for me umm...I do see fear the same way , as a way to grow within ourselves for sure, and the unknown can be a scarey enough state I think. sooo what happens exactly if you can elaborate a bit more because I dont think i understand what your saying completely. they actually attack you? do you feel negative energy around you? regardless it is a time to rise above and beyond this and make a breakthrough within your self, and to me thats all the worth of fear, otherwise its a very energy zapping emotion/thought .
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Dec 13, 2010 9:13:04 GMT -5
Post by nani on Dec 13, 2010 9:13:04 GMT -5
i agree to all what was said!... maybe it helps to look at it as: each fear you will be able to confront will become a light of strength and a little helper. Though dont force anything to come up but try to be ready for it before you go into excercising, and great would be if you could care for yourself in that you would have a person of trust with you while excercising, just at times doing it together instead of only on your own, at least for a while, till you feel more save in this processes which to me seem very natural as in any subtle work we`re doing there also arise all kind of old-patterns to be cleared and healed. Speaking for myself, if nothing anymore helps then I just do praying and praying, to heal and get healed through whatever difficult stage.
Wish you all the best.
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Dec 13, 2010 20:54:24 GMT -5
Post by ~~section8... on Dec 13, 2010 20:54:24 GMT -5
Thank you all. And I agree completely that it is some fear. What happens, Ronni, is I'll be dancing in the dark. I typically close my eyes even in the dark. I will enter some state...sometimes I feel like I can see with my eyes closed. When I open my eyes though, all of the shadows in the room loom over me and it really scares me. Once it happens, I really can't get over it. I need to stop then. Nani, that's a great idea, though I'm not sure who I could have with me. :\
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Dec 14, 2010 13:49:20 GMT -5
Post by sundogs34rcher on Dec 14, 2010 13:49:20 GMT -5
You are entering a state where you can see with your eyes closed, but then you are trying to make sense of what is happening by using 'normal ' thought perception and opening your eyes. The state you are entering requires a different perception, you have to close down your inner conversation and let the experience flow naturally, this is difficult and just requires practise. Its funny how it can be hard to NOT do something! Its because of the way we are conditioned to think in order to exist in this reality. I think of it as unlearning rather than learning. Hope I haven't confused you!
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Dec 15, 2010 1:37:54 GMT -5
Post by Lena on Dec 15, 2010 1:37:54 GMT -5
Amy, I would use a good protection chant! That's a short term solution. Long term is changing a negative belief you have....I'll write more later as I get around. Gotta run now!
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Dec 28, 2010 6:00:12 GMT -5
Post by Dancing Bear on Dec 28, 2010 6:00:12 GMT -5
Ok. I think this is the most appropriate location to put this. I'll start with some background information. I like to do more...active meditation I guess you could call it. XD Dancing really helps put me in the zone and a trance where I can experience some different states. Though sometimes I encounter a problem: an intense fear. Sometimes when I enter into a different state, I start feeling very vulnerable and like "demons" are surrounding me and attacking me. It's very frightening. It doesn't help when you're in the dark and you open your eyes and all the shadows are staring at you. XD Does anyone have any advice with regard to this? It really prevents me because once the fear starts, it's hard to stop it and I've even broken down in tears suddenly because of it. I agree a load of it is your wild imagination. Meditation is suppose to be a soft gentle serene experience. a Time and place where you are safe to be, explore and be at peace. You are not vunerable when meditating, You are actually in a safe secure place. I dont know whether you like listening to tapes.. But John Edward has a wonderful 6 cd set that has many different types of meditations . Once you sit with him once. You can adjust it to your own liking. He is practical and no nonsense straight forwards stuff. Once you have learnt a few techniques and visualisation then you can adapt them to your liking, Like your more active dance!! With dance and going into a zone. again you are suppose to be in a safe enviroment, not in a place that leaves your mind to wander into thinking of demons. Change your thought pattern about meditation and what to expect when doing it.. that would help. When you conjur demons in your mind, your mind actually hasnt reached the state of meditation. Good luck with it!!
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Dec 28, 2010 16:57:44 GMT -5
Post by ~~section8... on Dec 28, 2010 16:57:44 GMT -5
Thank you everyone for your support. I am trying to get rid of some demons now. It's a difficult battle. *hugs*
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Jan 1, 2011 19:10:38 GMT -5
Post by labell on Jan 1, 2011 19:10:38 GMT -5
I call this meditation ABZ, which in fact brought me into this thread.. and I can relate totally with what you are saying dear. Don't fear, remember this is a learning experience and so learn. Resolving Karma... A person once said to me to listen to these shadowy being and what they are saying, and you will see they are teaching you, and that you are learning and progreesing. You must make a desicion. Tho experience with these beings is ultra personal it sounds like a negative choice r past judgement, or past life judgement, that is haunting you, in order for you to resolve the karmic choices, that have aligned to create your chosen reality. they will occur as a type of paradox spirit if you have made poor judgements or decisions, as a direct result of those decisions. They are merely creating the reality you have chosen and have become aware of, you must decide to move on, and make a new choice, see light instead, a solution, a positive new perspective, and then the new choices will manifest, and gradually become habitual and fixate you into the new path sweety. your attention will then form the new thought patterns, positive ones that gradually evolve and grow, developing a new relationship with God and his creations. the snowball effect. seek and you shall find. All that is required is a new outlook on life and its meaning. oh how the Spirit knocks on the door, and if you don't listen it will huff and puff and blow your house down!! the wolf is afterall a beautiful faithful and extremely loyal companion. "build your house up on the rock". AS soon as you make a new decision reality will indeed follow with you into the new path. Perhaps these demons are really angels in disguise?
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Jan 2, 2011 18:30:10 GMT -5
Post by ~~section8... on Jan 2, 2011 18:30:10 GMT -5
Thank you so much labell. I know what the demons are now. I've kind of fallen into a slump and it's been a definite struggle. I'm trying to climb out of this hole as successfully and unscathed as possible. *hug*
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Jan 3, 2011 16:29:40 GMT -5
Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Jan 3, 2011 16:29:40 GMT -5
coool i love to read all replys...I still dont beleive in demons sorry or some perfect being....however I do think we can create them just as easily as we banish them...il tell you what i have seen a drenchy looking woman sit at the end of my dinner talbe I see her alot...shes always facing me....but listen..once i realized she was my creation she no longer sits there and peers at me...sometimes the sub once we integrate ourselves in it...it becomes alive ina ll forms..meaning we are open to it all.. we have reacheda point in our sub where it shows us things. youl be fine just trust in somethng more- yourself......these things will vanish
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Jan 6, 2011 6:46:12 GMT -5
Post by Dancing Bear on Jan 6, 2011 6:46:12 GMT -5
I am with you on that one Lilacsky I dont believe in demons either. We create our own reality, in our minds with what we believe, the more drastic the images or thought , the more urgent attention needed on the issue. to grow and move forwards.
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Jan 21, 2011 12:25:40 GMT -5
Post by lightdreamer on Jan 21, 2011 12:25:40 GMT -5
I am with you on that one Lilacsky I dont believe in demons either. We create our own reality, in our minds with what we believe, the more drastic the images or thought , the more urgent attention needed on the issue. to grow and move forwards. So if we create our own reality, isn't i possible that we can also create demons, either from fear or to teach ourselves something? I think so and for that reason, we can also UNcreate them, with knowledge and acceptance. Section8, I hope you are making some headway in this area.
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Jan 21, 2011 22:44:00 GMT -5
Post by Dancing Bear on Jan 21, 2011 22:44:00 GMT -5
I am with you on that one Lilacsky I dont believe in demons either. We create our own reality, in our minds with what we believe, the more drastic the images or thought , the more urgent attention needed on the issue. to grow and move forwards. So if we create our own reality, isn't i possible that we can also create demons, either from fear or to teach ourselves something? I think so and for that reason, we can also UNcreate them, with knowledge and acceptance. Section8, I hope you are making some headway in this area. Absolutely!! Lightdreamer. You can uncreate them completely. BY understanding what Demons are and how they came about in our mindset. To understand the history of them, and forming a realistic view. We all have our own reality on this planet. Some peoples reality we dont agree with. But we need to know we are the creators of our own perceptions and beliefs. our thoughts and experiences revolve around them. To truly believe in demons allows experiences with them. You are open to the possibility. so therefore your reality of demons will creep in to things, such as meditation. I have worked with the spirit world for many years and i have never ever come accross a true form of a demon as such, well nothing like they are depicted in books nor movies.. They are man disguised as demons. It is their reality. I dont understand why they would want to portray themselves as demons. But i dont invest any emotions into their theatrics. I try to understand them and why!! Some who like to depict themselves as demons are truly evil souls. And I would never be able to get through to nor understand. I accept that! But i do not fear them, i feel sorry for them, It truly is sad that they feel the reality they have chosen is the right way. when there is so much to love and enjoy. To be in awe of. I see them as lost souls.
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Jan 22, 2011 21:14:34 GMT -5
Post by ~~section8... on Jan 22, 2011 21:14:34 GMT -5
Thank you again everyone. Yes, Lilac, when I say "demons," I mean creations of my own mind. I didn't think I was being attacked by some outside force. I am trying to make some headway, it's been hard, but we all just need to keep our chins up and battle the things we need to battle.
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Feb 6, 2011 2:19:02 GMT -5
Post by Dancing Bear on Feb 6, 2011 2:19:02 GMT -5
I am glad you understand where your demons are coming from Section8 I would have looked there first too! ( in my own head) I highly doubt it would ever be outside forces.. even if you look for it. Our imagination and our belifs make for wild experiences sometimes. to understand ourselves and how we tick is part of our Spiritual journey. This experience is part of yours. Making you re-evaluate your mindset and beliefs, why they came about etc.. Good Luck with it all.. and if its not too personal would love to know your deductions of it all..
Love and Light DB xx
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Feb 10, 2011 18:02:50 GMT -5
Post by ~~section8... on Feb 10, 2011 18:02:50 GMT -5
Thanks Dancing Bear. For the past two years, I've had some relationship issues, and kind of life-direction issues. I've beat myself up a lot with very irrational thoughts and beliefs and it's really not worth it. I feel very different now. Hopefully things will be getting better.
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Feb 18, 2011 2:04:12 GMT -5
Post by Dancing Bear on Feb 18, 2011 2:04:12 GMT -5
Blessings, Love and light to you Section.. I hope you find your smoother path. As you know life is like a roller coaster, even when we get old. Its still rocks, But as we gain more inner peace and a stronger sense of self, With more understanding , those rocks no longer affect us as much and we start riding the waves with a little more ease. It sounds like you are getting over one of those waves. the next time it presents itself in whatever shape or form, it will be a wave easily ridden. Take care!! Love, Light and Laughter DB xx
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Mar 1, 2011 2:49:03 GMT -5
Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Mar 1, 2011 2:49:03 GMT -5
aww omg amy...your good to go......ya got that?yer awesome in other words i feel you are very unigue person............and you can get though this easily.....its kinda like how i used to walk into my work i felt so negativ the atmoshpere just seemed to take over me, i felt major changes coming and one was my my moms death, but the feeling continued, and i tried to shuh it off.......but ultimatley i think i made it happen, because it happend...sooo to me it was a gift in a way because im living alone and doing for myself for oncei get to pick and choose who i want to be around ya know,,andi I dont have many but the ones i got are realy awesome people that i can trust............
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