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Post by osiris on Jul 21, 2006 16:12:49 GMT -5
Since ive decided to combine the art of dreaming and the art of energy i fealt the need to discuss facts and opinions. Ive recently been reading the Art of dreaming and it is one amazing piece of work. The one thing i did notice is that so far it seems Carlos explains energy as something that cannot be built upon through the day but that we need to conserve energy by differant means. Now i may be an odd guy but i could swear to you that i have not only built up or re-energized myself through the day but also controlled that energy very well. Maybe im missing out on something in the book(s) since im not finished. So far it seems as i said he claims there is no building energy just conserving what we do have. I can understand that there is maybe two energies. That is for a lack of words how to say it. I mean we have to sleep we get tired and need to rest Is there a literal internal source of energy that is used up? And than an external (chakra,kundalini,qi,chi,) energy to be harnessed. I dont know yet but i do know i can feel it and moments before the intake of the dragons breath there was nothing.
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Post by Dancing Bear on Jul 22, 2006 17:21:15 GMT -5
Interesting Osiris! I could be completely wrong! And if I am sure if i am someone will let me know I always thought we have masses of energy to be harnessed, But very few people are aware of it. Raising and lowering your vibrational energy I also ..can do through the day. Maybe he is saying we cannot replenish the stocks until we are rested? Dont know. But even this i find hard to beleive as their are little meditations that you can do that through the day also.. Or even centering yourself can boost energy levels.. I hope you find out why he says this! It would be interesting to see! I also find when i am on a higher vibrational energy level throughout the day, My dreams are more vivid, Lucid dreams occur more frequent and i find it easier to recall.. I think there is a massive link, combining both energy levels and dreaming. Please let us know what else this fellow says , coz as you say you have not read it all yet and may missing something... I am guilty of that .... (often ) DB xx
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Post by osiris on Jul 22, 2006 17:48:51 GMT -5
I know you really like the outdoors DB. One of my favorite techniques is to breath in the "natures" energy. I make myself aware that im sharing myself and natures energies equally so as not to take to much from her. But this always works and always rejuvinates me. Also energy sources as we all know are the sun, moon, and astral energies also. I have never done a meditation to replace sleep. So if you know it or remember where its at please post up. I will definatly continue to study his books. As i learn more ill let you know. Maybe its like you said there is only so much energy for the day before rest is needed. One reason i have jumped vack into my other studies besides dreaming is because i feel the same. Energy and dreaming has much more in common than i originally recognized. Pretty silly that i did not pick up on it until i started CC's book. Ive been watching Existence turn into this dreaming guru for the past few weeks now lol...really he had an area where he was not doing so well with dreaming but than he just took off.
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Post by Dancing Bear on Jul 22, 2006 18:24:19 GMT -5
Yes Love Outdoors! would love to get out more often. working with my plants raises my sprits as well as energy levels. Love sitting on the back lawn with the dog and soaking it all in, it is so refreshing.. Yes being as one with nature is very energy boosting! I must go have a look at existances dream journal.. I have only just started participating in that area as i am normally a loner with my dreams.. I have been for years... I am only just starting to share my night journey's. Anyway I am off to have look DB xx The meditation I do I dont know whether it replaces sleep but certainly i feel refreshed afterwards ready to tackle the day again! Because I have done this meditation so often I forget how originally started off.. I now just go straight to my place, sit and allow things to float in or I Just sit and soak it all in.. It starts with your heart chakra.. You imagine a place you like to go or imagine you would like to go for peace and solitude that you believe you would be safe.( it need to be a deep emerald green). I always have a trickling stream in mine as this i find cleansing for the emotions. Once you have your spot and surroundings visualised, bring in 7 birds or butterfly's, dragonfly's, flowers. whichever one you like, or it could be completetly diffferent to the suggestions, after all it is your spot.. Whatever you choose to bring in they are to be the 7 basic chakra colours.. I use butterflies.. when i am working on a certain chakra the butterfly turns into a bright orb of the colour i am working with..I allow thoughts to flow freely and do not dismiss anything that pops in mind and i follow it through, using the chakras needed, and cleansing it all with the slow trickling stream.( like washing linen in a stream ). embracing it all with the emerald green of the heart chakra and letting it go Or not.. I normally take from 10minutesor it can take up to 1-2hours, depends how much i need recharging.. I feel so alive afterwards. It does not replace sleep, but it is envigorating..An energy booster!
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Post by osiris on Jul 22, 2006 18:41:04 GMT -5
Ahh yes the famous place of our own maditation. Hmm im going to have to try and add in the butterflies in the chakra colors i like that. Yes this is indeed a true energizer. We all need a place that is all ours never intrueded upon by any but me, myself, and I ...lol
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Post by Lena on Jul 22, 2006 23:24:12 GMT -5
Awesome DB, cool meditation, only today I was reading about Doreen Virtue's method of clearing chakras in her book, and I thought, hey, I like "clearing" a lot more than "opening." She says to visualize chakras as glass orbs in your body of different colors, like heart chakra emerald green, and throat chakra light blue. Then see the light inside of the orb, and let it expand, and clear away any impurities you see in a chakra, until it's completely transparent.
I'd be curious to find out what Carlos means by not being able to build energy as well, since it does appear that certain activities do give more energy. What are the means to conserve energy that he describes if you don't mind me asking?
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Post by Dancing Bear on Jul 23, 2006 0:50:49 GMT -5
It is a wonderful meditation, I have tried many but have always gone back to this one.. Dorreen Virtues method with the couloured Orbs is similar to what i do, but i wash my orb in the stream... The madness in my method is because majority of all blockages are emotional responses to things. Water representing emotions and the spiritual in the the dream world.. If i wash these Orbs in the stream until they are nice and a clear pure colour it is washing away those emotions attached also.. It is funny you know sometimes i cry, laugh or am indifferent in this little excercise.. I suppose it is releasing! I also bring certain people in to my world that have given me grief in the past and give them a hug and forgive them on a soul level and just watch the response, It is amazing. The more you do it the better the response.. Everyone is different and i love Doreen Virtue. but i use a Deep Blue which is also a healing colour for the throat chakra. Yes i am curious what this author has to say also it looks like i may need a trip down to the local library
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Post by Lena on Jul 23, 2006 1:39:55 GMT -5
Yes, thank you very much, I'll be trying your method. I am also working on forgiveness because I discovered some anger, and resentment in my relationships. Our divination question about the past brought out lots of dreams, and experiences for me. It wasn't conscious either, it had like a snowball effect. Doreen Virtue is pretty amazing. I find her very soothing, and inspirational. I listen to her archieved shows almost daily (http://www.hayhouseradio.com/archive_signup.php). Every time she clears someone, I take a deep breath, and I feel some healing work going on with me too. I use her angel oracle daily since I got it too, they are beautiful
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Jul 23, 2006 15:32:39 GMT -5
osiris, I think im gonna start reading the art of dreaming..I need a new book to read..plus Ive been meaning to read that for a long time..there are posts of the book in the study board..many members did a group reading on it, perhaps you can look in there.
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Post by existenceisadream on Jul 23, 2006 17:44:38 GMT -5
Lilac didn't you read the AOD back when we did that group AOD? I'm not quite sure what to think of don juans teaching on this area as well. I think one part of the teaching though about the energy is he stresses the point of stalking to conserve and store energy. Stalking everything you do every moment of your life making sure you're not "using" energy in "wasteful" ways. Every bit of this energy you "save, conserve, and store" is much needed to get to the highest levels of awareness in dreams, meditations, and waking life. Still though I know from what Don Juan says is that there is no abundant amount of energy and that all energy is being used up so the only thing you can do is not waste the energy you already have at hand. Yea this part confuses me as well. Not to sure on this one. I think I just repeated what osiris posted in the opening of this thread lol. BTW the raising energy from nature is my favorite meditation that can be done at any moment during the day. Just breathing it all in. Awesome.
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Post by osiris on Jul 23, 2006 21:48:58 GMT -5
You no this my brother....Nature energy is sharing thats all so its sooo easy.. And just to add a bit for Lena about energy he claims that hmmm how do i put this...Its alot like ego...Ok word for word..."Most of our energy goes into upholding our importance"..So public image and how we look to the outside world...Hmm maybe thats why i started off with energy in my path i dont really care what the outside world thinks of me as long as im Clean...lol Add this to stalking like Existence said that will allow you to see where energy is wasted and used. Anyone want to do a mass reading of this book again im in..im about a quarter of the way through but plan to read it again until i can get another of his books. The way i understand most of us have passed the first gate and hell existence has passed at least three. I am just through the gate though and need much more...here is a quick summary of the gates... www.improverse.com/ed-articles/henry_reed_1995_october1_castaneda.htm there ya go. Yes never look at chakra as needing opened...they are open just blocked...That was a big step actually when i realized it.
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Post by crazycat on Jul 23, 2006 21:57:19 GMT -5
;D I never did understand what he meant by stalking until I just read what you just posted to Lilacsky, Existenceisadream. It is the same thing they teach on Gnosticweb about being aware and observing yourself to see how emotions, our own egos, and things contol and waste our energy. Now it is all so clear to me. Thanks Existence!
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Post by osiris on Jul 23, 2006 22:03:01 GMT -5
Sweet ass cc wanna read the book again with us? You know you wanna...lol come on pere pressure do it just do it....hehe. i could not believe it but he actually has stuff thats more like a fiction novel that i guess you can even learn from very cool.
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Post by Lena on Jul 23, 2006 22:21:14 GMT -5
I would join in the mass reading. Thanks thanks, it's a lot more clear now to me too what stalking and conserving energy are. Thanks for that quote, Osiris, so it's kind of like the same as keeping our focus on the true us, God, and our higher self, and not living in our ego. Before I wanted to mention that we can keep our focus on being full of energy, or on illusions of ego that keeps us from having "access" to our energy, something like that...
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Post by osiris on Jul 23, 2006 22:40:51 GMT -5
I think you would really like him..I have progressed just from reading...Like i said hmm i think i said that in the open forum..Im trying to just follow what Carlos does as he learns to dream. I have my own ideas and things in dreaming now that ive read 11 billion things about it but im trying to stick with exactly what is done in the book. i would stress that you try the salvia as you read this it would be the perfect chance to mix the cultures since salvia is originated from Mazatecs. Plus it just seems the right time for you...lol here i go again Peir pressure...ya ya spelling i know..Its just something you dont want to miss on even if it is just one time...There really is no addivtive affect and it is still legal now...come on just do m...i mean it...
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Post by Lena on Jul 23, 2006 23:05:26 GMT -5
Uh-oh here you go again...I'm feeling the pressure. You crack me up *Hugs*
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Post by existenceisadream on Jul 24, 2006 7:01:59 GMT -5
Cool CC glad you understand the concept of stalking better! You know I could give a crap of what people think so I know I save alot of energy right there lol. But I do know that I use up energy in many ways that I need to stalk better so to conserve this for dreaming and awareness. Man I've read the book twice now and have a million others I'm reading as of now so I'm not sure if I'll participate but I don't mind being in the discussion part of it. I'll maybe review some of it as well.
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Post by osiris on Jul 24, 2006 14:37:45 GMT -5
I cant believe you did not make me read these...lol..I am over half way after last night and a very interesting night indeed. But i must admit im so enthralled. If you want i will make sure i post up page numbers when we do this that way you dont have to re read it. After last night the de ja vu over this book is so odd i dont really know ive never experianced it. The entire part about the tunels and how they are set up like a bee hive.i have to pay very close attention while reading. The referance to how he has to repeat himself for us when we dont know and how the parables in the book turn out to show you something totally differant but in the end it gets the job that was wanted done. For anyone that has not read it just make sure you read between the lines while he especially is talking about his journeys. There is an intelligence to these books but no lies.
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Post by existenceisadream on Jul 24, 2006 18:54:13 GMT -5
osiris I do believe I mentioned the CC books right away to you when we first started Pm'ing but I don't think I stressed on how important they were. I felt just giving you the knowledge that I had and my ideas and concepts of awareness and so on was a good starting point. Very cool though that you got into CC cause like you said his books are extremely powerful. I've never read as slow when reading his books. Every page is packed so full of importance it's crazy. I think you have to be at the right level when reading this book. As in you can read this book and just not really understand it well or you can read it and not only does it all make sense but also it all hits home. I think it's funny how so much of the books is CC having troubles with what DJ is teaching him. So DJ has to keep going over and over his teachings but in different ways to drive it into CC. This is very good cause it helps the reader understand the importance in what DJ is trying to relay to you. As you read his other books you'll see often the same material is repeated but in different ways of teaching it. Like if you're told something really important you may remember it a little but if you keep getting the same lessons but in different concepts you'll retain it much better.
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Post by Dancing Bear on Jul 24, 2006 19:40:13 GMT -5
Cool Im in!! Give me a bit of time to either find it at the library or i will have to purchase the book.. I have just embarked on reading "Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee" again! But i am sure i am capable of reading two books at a time.
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