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Post by bezjak on Apr 1, 2006 13:43:55 GMT -5
Attempts to make spirituality obsolete no doubt...why are the powers that be trying to make us into "fearful sheep who will follow any ass who says there is an enemy out there." Who made us these enemies in the first place? Are the sins of one nation greater then the sins of another? Was helping Bin Laden fight the Russians really a bright idea? Was not helping him rebuild after that war a brighter one? Should the people who produce weapons and means for torture be held accountable for doing so? Not to mention that it was our U.S. government who supplied Saddam with w.m.d's to use against Iran in the 80's. Are we really capable of forgiving the sins of the past and moving on to the future? Have we lost forever the title of "humane", replacing it with some archaic curse hell bent on the destruction of our species and our world? We are much better then we have been presenting ourselves.
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Post by sxy on Apr 10, 2006 0:46:17 GMT -5
Well said ,>>bezjak..!
~SXY~
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Post by crazycat on Apr 11, 2006 0:50:16 GMT -5
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Post by bezjak on May 13, 2006 14:30:43 GMT -5
Controlled? Maybe, but we have been truely "leaderless" for some time now. I dare not say that soon we will be talking about "war" in some other region of the world, and still wondering out loud "How did it come to this?"
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Post by osiris on May 13, 2006 18:36:52 GMT -5
im sorry Epona i used to be a sailor and i know it tests everything about us. I light a candle in my window for the safe return of your Chief.
Any one that has any understanding of terrorism knows that you cannot wiin a war against them. They are the true guerilla warrior and with a religious zealousness they are not beatable its stupid. We still have not even scratched bin laden the true reason this happened in the first place...Unfortunatly with Yale graduates in office we have to put up with the hypocrisy. To bad "We the people" have no choices anymore. I truly feel that just with what we do spiritually we can change this for the better in the future. I know so. I dont like the fact that what drives our elite is exactly what we realize to be the ego in the first place but as we change we will change those around us and it will spread like a wild fire in an October wind. Stand by loosers we are coming.....a real warrior never battles over such filth it makes me feel ill just to admit i live here amongst you...To bad it has come so far that we do battle for someone who is breaking the seven deadly and cares less.
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Post by dman on May 15, 2006 18:12:56 GMT -5
Without the experience of war would we know the experience of peace? Does the experience of the greastest of wars not bring the greatest of peace? What is the reason of war? Surely to bring peace. And if there comes a time when we no longer war, I think it is because we see the reason for it, we never can forget war, and must cherish it. Yes we must cherish war, because without it we would have no peace. And if we have peace and forget all about war, we will forget to of peace, and will have to start all over again. Can we soar higher, than our greatest hopes? Can we sink lower, than what we fear the most?
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Post by osiris on May 15, 2006 18:34:27 GMT -5
War is and will be until the end. But the problem is the reason we are at war. and this is not a good reason at all. Now i know some would say well is there a good reason for war? and i say yes. If you are invaded or if you have had some attack against you that is good reason. If someone is threatening an ally to an extent that they cannot deal with it that is good reason. But not some made up scheme of our looser president that claims to be dealing with the 9-11 attacks. Or dealing with weapons of mass destruction that dont exist. If you want to take care of business there is much more at hand than sorry ass iraq. How about communist china,Iran,Korea,Bin laden..... No we donot have to be at war. There will always be things going on that need attention. There will always be internal strife there will always be terror attacks somewhere. We dont need to be at war to know peace. Our government is the only war that we should need to worry about. Just tell us the damned truth and go to war. At least than i wont loose my respect for you. "Hey united states. I have a new boat and new land i purchased to pay for and by the way this will lower oil prices and contribute to our good standing, and add a stronghold with ocean front property smack dab in the middle of all the shiiiat going on. There now at least the truth is known and i feel better.
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Post by dman on May 15, 2006 18:45:49 GMT -5
"An eye for an eye, makes the whole world blind"- Ghandi
Hating the haters will never end the hate. Hate is only a product of love, it is the desire for love, to be loved, and the lack of feeling this love, expressed in anger.
Bottom line. "Every person just wants to be loved and cared for, and to not be hurt" - The Dhali lama
All emotions extend from love, love is the core of all being. Instead of hate, which leads to anger, I choose to feel compassion and understanding, which is the closest expression of my love that I can see. When I hold to this, and embrace it, it leads to my core being of love, to love all.
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Post by osiris on May 15, 2006 19:03:54 GMT -5
Love is good. But like you said war is not going to end anytime soon. And i cannot just stand up and tell the president hey Love, peace, and prosperity, not this silly excuse you call a war. But that was the point to my prior post......"We the people" have no choices anymore. I truly feel that just with what we do spiritually we can change this for the better in the future. I know so..........If you do not love and understand that we are part of the all than you are a politician.......lol jk. I cannot love someone that has our people dying for greedy ends...maybe thats one of my problems...Ive tried to love everyone and everything and i do sto a certain point. And i understand that love needs to be given most in places where it is not wanted. But When do we stop being that infidel that all the terrorists love to call us? When do we stop trying to spread or government and our missionaries across the world by force. Who says that all the world has to be like us??? I guess when your goal is to control all than thats when... An eye for an eye sure makes a guy feel better though.
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Post by bezjak on May 16, 2006 10:20:36 GMT -5
Ones will cannot be forced upon others, it (ones will) must first be reasonable for others to accept it. True power is effortless....besides we are actually fighting over something man-made anyway...money is truly an illusion.
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Post by osiris on May 22, 2006 18:09:18 GMT -5
The will has to be reasonable? Or the will can be so corrupt that its subtle meanings seem like the proper thing? Well i guess thats why we are not accepted even in Iraq really....
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Post by bezjak on May 23, 2006 11:15:34 GMT -5
Think.....who's will is deception, greed, blood-lust, revenge, and malice. These are the entities worshiped by the majority of the regimes ruling this world. War brings about only suffering and smoldering resentment in those who survive todays high and low-tech means of war. How then can war ever bring peace? Sure there are those who see war as a means of releasing aggression. Or some twisted means of diplomacy, but through-out history we have seen that, War only brings more war and that peace is just the eye within the multitude of storms. Is this what we should leave for our children? This chaos?
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Post by osiris on May 23, 2006 14:31:33 GMT -5
No. But you have to remember i used to be a warrior and i am in spirit forever. I dont believe at all in what is going on. Its a mess. But also i know that there are many things that we are not told as civilians. War has been around since man pretty much. To eliminate one half of the yin and yang does not work. But you can be a warrior and still be a good person. Its the people that tell us all what we have to do and keep secrets from us thats the crowd that needs eliminated. At this point politicians have there rich little heads so far in the clouds that they i truly think believe they are no longer us "we the people" they are above that and that is dangerous. And than you toss all the secret societies on top of that or hell they are pretty much that. Add in the fact that most societies like that study some of the same things we do here and that just plain scares me.
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Post by mandala on May 23, 2006 19:17:10 GMT -5
Without the experience of war would we know the experience of peace? Does the experience of the greastest of wars not bring the greatest of peace? What is the reason of war? Surely to bring peace. And if there comes a time when we no longer war, I think it is because we see the reason for it, we never can forget war, and must cherish it. Yes we must cherish war, because without it we would have no peace. And if we have peace and forget all about war, we will forget to of peace, and will have to start all over again. I'm curious animal, have you read George Orwell's novel about a despotism utopia called Oceania? It's called 1984. If you havent' read it, I suggest you do. It will change your perspective on the "war is peace" slogan. And yes, it is just that; a slogan. Orwell had a few other slogans in his book too: Ignorance is Strength Freedom is Slavery
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Post by dman on May 23, 2006 19:26:13 GMT -5
No, I haven't read it, but, I'll check it out, thank you!
1st dude- How was the last town? 2nd dude- It was terrible, everyone was mean. 1st dude- The next town will be the same.
1st dude- How was the last town? 3rd dude- It was beautiful, everyone was soo nice. 1st dude- The next town will be the same!
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Post by Severen on May 24, 2006 16:00:21 GMT -5
my opinion: bring the boys home.
we'll never settle those people.
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Post by lunaspirit on May 24, 2006 16:39:26 GMT -5
I agree!!!
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Post by osiris on May 24, 2006 23:31:47 GMT -5
Soldiers are not police. And thats exactly what they have done for to long. I think once we eliminate the power the u.s should just use guns for hire to clean up and police. We have other things to do.
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Post by Eagle on May 26, 2006 22:23:13 GMT -5
It's obvious to me that Bush is a puppet, the Question is who to ?
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Post by Eagle on May 26, 2006 23:02:24 GMT -5
Quote; Ozzy Osbourne (Black Sabbath) - War Pigs - generals gathered in their masses, just like witches at black masses, evil minds that plot destruction, scorceror of death construction, in the fields the bodies burning, as the war machine keeps turning, death and hatred to mankind, poisoning their brain washed minds. Politicians hide themselves away, they only started the war, why should they go out to fight, they leave that all to the poor, time will tell on their power minds, making war just for fun, treating people like pawns in chess, wait till their judgment day comes. now the darkness wheel stops turning, ashes where the bodies burning, no more war pigs have the power, and of god has struck the hour, day of judgment day is god calling, on their knees war pigs crawling, begging mercies for their sins, Satan laughing, spreads his wings. I hope all these lyrics are correct ! War is only good for the under taker.
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