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Post by zayin on Sept 3, 2005 16:38:15 GMT -5
I am finding myself in a higher state of awareness upon waking. The more I enter into my dreams upon waking the higher state. This is, I bevieve, a way of stalking our asemblage point. Since our dreams are full of wonders and visualizations that are unfathomable in our daily lives, this is shifting our assemblage point. The more we remember them and relive these experiences, the more we are seeking these states of awareness, and thus stalking the assemblage point. It is in a way a method of visual meditation with the 'eye candy' already available to us. It seems that upon waking our dreams vanish so quickly at the re-movement of our assemblage point back to it's original daily position. We attain insights in our dreams (hieghtened state of awareness/movement of the assemblage point), and upon walking this insights are only available on returning to the same state of awareness. So when we are dreaming we are hunting/finding different states. And when we re-visualize we are stalking, or at least attempting to. A good way to practice is by waking up and re-entering back to sleep into the same dream. And when the dream is slightly different it is not quite the same point of assemblage. Also by practicing to see auras is a good way to practice while awake. All very fascinating to me.
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Post by existenceisadream on Sept 4, 2005 19:08:51 GMT -5
I believe what Don Juan is essentially teaching in the first stage of dreaming is to become lucid. By trying to feel yourself falling to sleep and catch it before you go all the way under and then focus on single dream images till your in the dream sounds much like the W.I.L.D. technique. He even says that it's okay to lose consciousness for moments as long as you can gain it back. This is like when you're lucid and lose it for moments and gain it back. So to me the first gate of dreaming is being aware and lucid while not only falling to sleep but while in the dream. Pretty hefty challenge for a beginner but essential. Months ago after reading this chapter and the one to follow I had experiences with trying to find guides in my dream and I felt my dreams take on a different feel as well.
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Post by existenceisadream on Sept 4, 2005 19:15:56 GMT -5
I agree with you 100% incubus. Being able to wake and then drift right back into the same dream (or very similar dream) is a way to work at re-entering a certain asseblage points that you've been able to achieve. Though like you said normally the dreams a bit different so maybe the assemblage point isn't excactly the same but eventually after lots of work at it, it can become possible to enter directly back into the same exact assemblage point. Then maybe with more work we can learn to to this at will to a degree. Sort of like dream incubation (something I'm starting to work more with).
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Post by zayin on Sept 5, 2005 1:44:14 GMT -5
^exactly
Another thought about the book and it's effects on my dreaming and waking perceptions.
I am finding in my recent awareness that when 'seeing' an aura, that I am seeing both with my eyes and my minds eyes. I see the image of the animal/person/tree with my eyes, and then a superimposed energy field surrounding the body, but on a different level of 'seeing', with my mind. My eyes vision and my minds vision overlapping each other. I think this seeing with the mind's eye, is another point of the assemblage point, and is what don Juan calls 'seeing'.
I am now starting to see this in my dreams as well. Not always as a glow or static energy, like in daily life, but as actual images superimposing. For instance I saw many faces in the trees in my last dream, but these happy smiling faces were superimposed over the layer of the tree. I am seeing multiple layers of superimposed objects. And in the last dream it felt almost like energy layers. It almost feels like these images are not entirely in my dream surroundings at all, but over top of it, on a different levels or layers. I have to try and figure this out some more. It is interesting how the mind works.
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Post by existenceisadream on Sept 6, 2005 1:34:55 GMT -5
Hopefully I can start LD'ing like I was a few months ago because they have been very few in the last two months but when I do I'm going to try to see peoples auras in the dream. That will be very interesting for sure. I think by working at it in LD's or dreams it may enhance my ability to do this during waking life?
Here's another thought about assemblage points I hope I can explain well... This sort of goes with my "Happy Memories Meditation" thread. Maybe through out your waking life your assemblage point changes ever so slightly through different experiences and growing older and wiser. So when you get older it gets harder and harder to remember yourself as a youth and how you felt and thought at that time. So this leads to the Happy Memories Meditation. During this meditation as I'm focusing on earlier good times in my life and feeling the exact way I felt then I feel that maybe this is putting my assemblage point back for that moment to where it was when I actually experienced the event or time. During this meditation I can remember think and feel the exact way of how I did then. I can see myself as an 8 year old child and feel like I did then. I can remember the way I thought then and how my views of the world and every thing was. When I go deep enough into the meditation of whatever I'm remembering I feel like I could open my eyes and seriously be back in that 8 year old body. Anyways I think I explained it alright. Sometimes it's hard to write or express what is in my mind.
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Post by zayin on Sept 6, 2005 9:14:31 GMT -5
Thats a very good point there, I think it is explained well. It's like our assemblage point gets firmer as we grow, and it gets harder to dislodge it based on our view. I think you are right that as we grow our views and beleifs get more firmer and rigid. As we grow we develop a certain opinion about life and society and it gets harder and harder to 'recollect' our different states. I think recollection is totally shifting the assemblage point at will, like you said.
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Post by sxy on Sept 8, 2005 2:53:05 GMT -5
QUESTIONS... I was wondering if this hitting the back does work...?, and about Hallucinations, with plants ? what to explore...! ~ Why is pot not legal >>> ?? Maybe control of these plants is just to keep the average bloke from experiencing attention in dreaming ..? ~SXY~
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Post by existenceisadream on Sept 8, 2005 3:38:23 GMT -5
Why is pot not legal >>> ?? Good question. But to take it further why is any drug illegal. Why are we controlled of what we can put in our bodies and how we can make ourselves feel? The logical reason would be so we don't do something stupid while under the influence of a drug like hurt somebody or ourselves. So basically the government is playing Minority Report (a movie about the government busting you for something you haven't even done yet;a group of psychics can see the future and bust you before you commit the crime) on us. I've noticed in this world it's all about prevention. The funny thing is, is all the drugs that can heighten our awareness and where much can be gained from are illegal. The one drug that is legal (alcohol) turns you more and more into an animal the more you drink. By drinking a whole bunch of alcohol we basically throw out years of evolution and devolve into animal instincts while under the influence. What is this trying to say. It's okay to do a drug that turns us into drunken babbling idiots (though I'm not saying alcohol should be illegal, hell I'm drinking right now lol) but not do a drug that could help in the evolution process. No matter, We'll never see any drugs like marijuana legalized in our lifetimes because the government won't allow it. Hell even after pot was legalized for prescription users by a mass majority of people the government is still trying to ban this. It's funny, in an existence where it's only human nature to explore and seek out new experiences and knowledge, people get thrown in prison for years for doing this. Oh well, I guess I'll just keep "legally" drinking till I get so blacked out and out of control of myself that I go out driving and kill someone (just kidding). That's the beauty of Ld's and OBE's. It's like a drug because it's somthing that feels so good and has an endless amount of exploration and it's something that the government can't ban (though I bet if they could find a way they would)
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Post by zayin on Sept 8, 2005 18:09:11 GMT -5
Hitting on the back is not actually a phyisical hit, but kind of a hit with energy. In his book 'The Power of Silence' he goes into more detail about this. It is something the nagual does, by using his excess energy, to dislodge the assemblage point. But by hitting someone hard enough they will see stars, and that could be, not sure, seeing the filements. But even by going outside and gazing at the sky you can see these filements quite easily (if that is what they are?). Just gaze at the blue sky on a nice sunny day, and you will see the energy. It almost looks like little bugs, squirming around and appearing and dissapearing. It is superimposed over our 'physical sight' with our mind's sight. Don Juan's method of slapping the back, he describes, as a blunt way that he uses, but not other naguals. He lends his energy to induce a heightened state to his apprentices. His nagual Julian would use another method, and the same with his nagual's nagual Ellias. But basically he could put Carlos in almost any state he wanted.
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Post by sxy on Sept 10, 2005 1:33:38 GMT -5
Hey... Thanks Existenceisadream..!!! What a great reply>>> I agree... lol..... ....>>>LOL..... As for me I will stay healthy and legal . «Incübûs,.....Oh ! I have not read 'The Power of Silence, Thankyou for answering me on this one as I was thinking that it was maybe a real hit( also with a bit of energy ),but mostly a hit >>!>lol.... I have seen these...in the day , I just thought it was me...!!! Cool,...hummmm.... I will look closer next time..! Woo hoo... thanks so much for your input . ~SXY~
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Post by sxy on Sept 10, 2005 1:44:22 GMT -5
I will transfer my dreams at a later date to my dream journal here on the forum.... I just wanted to mention a surprise I had to day...!!! I was reading in a hardware store's magazine, in it was a new gadget that will be in the stores this October 2005. They showed a picture of it .! I recognized it immediately as the tripod light that I had mentioned in an earlier dream,,, stanleytools.com/default.asp?TYPE=STATICLEFT&PAGE=PR_tripod369_05.htm&LEFT=left_pr.htmMostly because I had looked at it so closely...! That is it ; I said to my self, and it does look cool>>just wanted to share my excitement with all of you dreamers. Yey ! A precognitive dream .. ~SXY~
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Post by existenceisadream on Sept 10, 2005 1:59:21 GMT -5
Hey no problem SXY. Sometimes I just have to vent my frustration with the "way this world is run."
That's cool about your precognitive dream!
I was a bit confused with the hitting on the back as well. Wasn't sure if he was just hitting an exact spot or what but I new he was transporting his energy to him during this hit. It makes more sense that it isn't a physical hit but an energy it.
As for the filaments, I can see them as well. It's like seeing the particles that make up this existence.
Hey Incubus, just wondering but have you already finished the art of dreaming? From your posts I'm pretty sure you have. For me it's hard not to just go ahead and read the whole thing. What I've been doing instead is just re-reading the same chapter twice or three times to burn it into my brain.
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Post by sxy on Sept 10, 2005 2:11:23 GMT -5
existenceisadream, I also just want to read ahead, It's hard...! I almost turned to the next chaper... I am enjoying it too much , maybe more so in bits...lol.., Ya here is a pic of this tripod... I had a hard time to find this on the net as It is newly released and few pics ...also I was looking for the wrong thing...lol. Oh well here it is ..! www.askthebuilder.com/N8_New_Stanley_Tools.shtml~SXY~
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Post by crazycat on Sept 12, 2005 23:20:58 GMT -5
Where oh where is Gav and his wife? I sure hope Bruce, the thought form, hasn't done anything to them.
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Post by nani on Sept 15, 2005 8:29:02 GMT -5
hello researchers, I believe that slowly all of us are wondering a bit about where Gav, Kirsty and Jo are, especially as he said he will come here on sundays (at least thats what I`ve understood). So - I dont know anything about, Blake and Ronni neither, but very sure the 3 would be here if they could - so I guess its a computer problem what is happening to them. And I hope and pray that nothing else bad has happened to them .................................... So as far as we can not do anything about this at the moment, but there are arising a lot of questions about the book - I would propose that we try to help ourselfs as best as we can, refering to the book-theme. Or what do you think researcher-guys??? We could open up a new thread refering to specific questions or we could discuss it here in the discussion-thread, but I feel that one single thread may not be enough and may support confusion as maybe the different questions get mixed up. But anyways You decide, We decide. What are your opinions about how to go on further in our group-work in the meanwhile - untill Gav is back to lead and accompany us lgn
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Post by existenceisadream on Oct 12, 2005 4:52:24 GMT -5
What's happened to this project? It seems everybody has just lost interest. I've lost interest only because everybody else has. I'm still reading the book and using it in my dreams and the waking dream (waking life) but have decided to not even post here anymore due to no interest from anybody (except Nani). Maybe everybody's just been burned out from so much work towards lucidness and dream work. I can understand that. Me personally have become burned out on recording dreams but since I've stopped I've been pretty much Ld'ing everynight sometimes spending hours upon hours in conscious dreaming. I'm just learning to make more use of my waking hours instead of spending so much time recording dreams and dream work. Seriously though, I'm not messing around when I say that I'm out to become not only a lucid god but to merge the waking dream with the sleeping dream. I'm very close but still not there yet until I have total awareness and full consciousness. Soon there will be no rest. Sure the body can sleep but my consciousness will always be aware. The consciousness is always at work creating and doing what it does but most people aren't aware during this process. Does anybody know anything about what has happened to Gav and Kristy? I hope all is well for them. I feel maybe Gavs departure from this project for whatever reason it may be has affected others participation. I don't know. It does take time and energy to keep up with this project let alone this forum which I'm beginning to learn to balance out more so I see why others may be experiencing the same thing. Anyways it's kind of sad to see the project just fall apart like this because it seems like it was going fairly well.
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Post by nani on Oct 12, 2005 11:39:16 GMT -5
Existencisadream, please let us keep up this work - we are maybe the only ones who can be here at the moment regularily !! Have you read also the other "..people read this" thread of Blake , if not, please do, so you can understand the process. I`ll try to summarize whats the situation. Gav, Kirsty and Jo had disappeared suddenly - not Blake, not Ronni, not me could find out what had happened untill now - but Im sure they are having a real problem, but think they will be back before the book reading is finished. Blake was going to help out as long as Gav is not here, now he himself disappeared for a bit, but remember that he is not at his home, he may have not yet a stable internet-connection, Im awaiting him back soon. Incubus was on the work for a long and intensely time, but his school/work had started again and he mentioned that he had lots to do. SXY is posting, like he was before, more in a once-a-week rhytm, because also he works somewhere else than is his computer, I think, and I hope you apologise (SXY) If I said something wrong. Linda is posting a s well, but also she had changes, had to leave her house and what more things to do. Ronny is here anyways. Blank, Letherea and Odni and the rest were not much posting right from the beginning, but I guess they are still on the boat.
In one thing you may be right, that the dream-posting had become less maybe also because we got all a bit flood by the amounts of dreams and the more as no one would summarize anything - but this still can happen after the 13 weeks - at least I believe !! LIke you I also have decided to post less dreams (cant see my name anymore there alone everywhere LOL), respectively I only post the important ones, also to have more time to concentrate on meditations and other stuff. I continue reading of course. So I propose that we just go through that, its more than a kind of odd magic which is happening here, but Im sure it will get cleared up some day, soon. I dont know I have a feeling that this whole confusion of people disappearing etc. has to do with the book-content itself - so I hope you`ll hang on with me, existenceisadream. To update for everybody: we are at the 8th chapter.
TILL SUNDAY THE 16.10.05 WE SHOULD HAVE FINISHED CHAPTER 8.
Hey, so I hope we just can make the best out of it, we still got 5 weeks to go, and I`ll just continue to write down my dreams/obes etc. anything which seems to be connected to the book. I believe that this project is not falling apart, its just an odd stage of the whole process. Lol hey Im happy you are still here existencisadream, lgn
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Post by existenceisadream on Oct 12, 2005 15:58:30 GMT -5
Hey Nani sorry for my outburst, I think I've just been a part of too many projects that get started and seem to be doing good then somehow they fall apart. I myself being the perfectionist that I am have always put so much energy into whatever I do that It sometimes leads to giving up on it. All right I'll go ahead and keep posting here. I just kind of wanted to be sure that others were still interested in keeping it going. I myself am behind in chapters of where we're supposed to be. I normally only read a few pages before going to sleep so I have the best chance of it carrying over into my dreams. Plus I'm reading 5 other books at the same time so I have to juggle between them to get them all read. I like to read like that because it gets my mind learning many things in one day versus just a bunch from one subject. So I guess I'll read several chapters today to catch up at where we're supposed to be. If anything I can always go back to important parts of the book (but the important parts seems to be on every page of the book lol) and read them before sleep. I did have something very interesting happen maybe a week ago that happened after reading but maybe I already posted it. I'm not sure. One thing I've been trying to work on is to find foreign energy (a scout) in my LD's and ask it to take me with it but for some reason even when I'm lucid for hours in my dreams I just can't remember to do this. I do so much in my Ld's especially alot of meditation since I've learned how to do it without losing the awareness but I just can't seem to do this. Anyways sorry for thinking this project has fallen apart. Maybe some people just can't grasp the content and get discouraged. When I read half this book back I think in June I couldn't even grasp it as I can know so maybe that has something to do with it.
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Post by nani on Oct 12, 2005 17:21:55 GMT -5
hey existenceisadream, hey nothing to say sorry at all, Im happy you told about.. cause surely you have spoken for all of us, very sure - there is nothing worse than Not speaking about if we doubt a thing or just dont know what the heck is going on (which truly is a relevant question lol) - so Im really saying Thank You! btw: perfectionism not always is bad you see - it would be quite weird if we all just would go like: "ah.. oh.. so.. no.. hmm.. ok.. then.. no.. hmm.. yes.. bye bye.. hmm.. anyways.." Or? Lol.. ah its great to have you here! Yes me too I have to catch up on the chapter a bit, first I was reading 3 pages every night, then I `d read once a week a chapter and then lately Im a bit in the back, but anyways. Oh and dont ask me anything about the content hehe.. it feels like I will understand much more of it later on, but I mean anyways all of us already have had quite interesting dreams and experiences right - and you anyhow especially, because you are very advanced with all your really impressing LDs and so - so surely soon the guys, with comparable interesting experiences all will come back, and then later on it will be lots of fun for all of us to exchange about all the written stuff and processes, which I think we yet cant overview. Also I have the feeling that this work-out once will effect us much further/longer than the book-read-time takes, just a feeling.. Hehe "important parts on every page lol" that was funny and so true.. I`ll go to read again over your journal-posts tomorrow and the following days, there is sooo much interesting stuff in it.. and yeahs the scout.. okay you gave me the good input now to also go again to ask and search for a scout tonight.. have to confess that I was quite lazy lately.. but also because I almost "know" that after strong experiences (like my last healing-circle thingy) there always comes a period of low remembrance/activity, it feels just natural to let it go this way.. but ok this was a good input of you now to get these kinda things started again.. have had some nights rest, that must be enough lol. Looking forward to keep on truckn`, exchangn`and being excitnd`, cool, see ya soon, lgn
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Post by crazycat on Oct 16, 2005 3:39:51 GMT -5
Hey guys, sorry it has taken me so long to get back. I did get caught up in my reading while on my mini vacation thingy. I have not been having any problems with insomnia anymore, even though I am staying up quite late tonight, I am so very sleepy and have been getting lots of sleep and dreaming a lot. Most have been the kind were you are working out situations in the dream life. I am more aware of my dreams, but I'm still just mostly remembering fragments. In most of them it seems like I am just an observer of the dream.
This book is so very interesting, but it is kind of on the scary side to me as well. I think some of it might be because we don't have any ideal what has happened to Gav and Jo. They posted their experience about that entity and never came back to post anymore. You know in the book Carlos almost didn't make it back from the dream world and I think what if this has happened to Gav and Jo. I'm kind of on the fearing side of not even wanting to have an OBE right now. That one dream I had was disturbing, the one where I felt like energy was being taken from me. Every time I think about it my back gets that weird sensation all over again.
I'm glad Nani, that you and Existenceisadream have not totally given up on this project. I will continue to read and I will try to post more often. Nani are these scouts the same thing as our spirit guides? And is the inorganic beings, entities from other dimensions or from other planets. Like yesterday I read on a website about these being that live inside the planet Jupiter and they are just made up of gases. I found this website through these Dead Sea Scroll tapes my brother loaned me. The guy actually says he communicates with these beings, not only from there but from Venus too and from beings that live inside our earth. I know this is some fairly far out stuff, but some of the stuff Carlos tells about is far out to me, as well. ;D
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