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Post by sxy on Oct 16, 2005 23:35:26 GMT -5
Crazycat posted;. lol....yes , I am sure glad I am not the only one that finds this new to the mind....! I am here ....following the chapters...up to chapter 9 now. after chapter 6 ,I saw a loss of dreams..yet I knew that it was just that I can not remember them, I made contact with someone and now I wake up blank..! ,,,,could also be that I am very tiered..? and had bad head aches too ....? well seems I am getting back and did dream but could not wake to write them down and forgot them.hummmm...... I think we can continue...Gav started us with this book ,it is up to us to be one with our own " intent ," sometimes it is a lonely journey, ours; like Carlos/Don Q ~ Carlos is away from Don for log periods of time while he does his own part to study and do his lessons till he is ready or needs support. I'm glad to read that some of you are still here ... your an encouragement to everyone , existenceisadream, crazycat, Nani, SXY, are still here..... ~SXY~
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Post by sxy on Oct 17, 2005 0:34:36 GMT -5
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Post by crazycat on Oct 20, 2005 16:46:23 GMT -5
I did some researching on Carlos Castaneda yeaterday and came up with some very interesting tidbits. Hehe. Did you know the three witches actually represent three real people and the little girl he saved is a real girl by the name of Nury Alexander (not real name)? It says the girl is actually an alien being. It didn't go into detail how this all came to be, but supposely she is an alien living in a human body.
I found a lot of stuff about his life and stuff that wasn't put into any of his books. I have them bookmarked, because I didn't have time to read all that yesterday. Looks like some interesting reading.
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Post by crazycat on Oct 20, 2005 17:03:57 GMT -5
I am here ....following the chapters...up to chapter 9 now.
after chapter 6 ,I saw a loss of dreams..yet I knew that it was just that I can not remember them, I made contact with someone and now I wake up blank..!
Sxy, I'm still having that same problem. I'm more aware of more dreams when I am dreaming them, but when I wake up I can't recall anything but small fragments.
I did remember one dream yesterday about a nice dream visit with my daughter and while I dreaming this one it bought back to memory a dream I had the night before where she visited to talk about problems between us. The night before I knew I had dream something about her but had no recall of it when I woke up. So now I had perfect recall of both of them.
Also most of the time I only remember a dream if I wake up at the end of it and I lay there still and go back over it in my mind before I move. Hehe! But this was different remembering this dream, it wasn't even the one I was dreaming when I woke up. That one I could not recall, but the one about my daughter was crystal clear without going over it. It was just there like a real memory about something that had really happened in the physical.
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Post by sxy on Oct 21, 2005 1:50:04 GMT -5
YA ...Yupp ...! > thats about what has been happening to me too .....lol.....Gerrrrrrr ch.9 ,I miss my dream recall ~SXY~
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Post by crazycat on Oct 21, 2005 2:28:42 GMT -5
Gav is totally missing and all our dream recall is being taken away. Are we sure this book is a good thing?
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Post by nani on Oct 21, 2005 11:30:17 GMT -5
the so called "negative" and "dark" only is illusion, finally - I believe. but to confront this illusion is the most valuable thing - my opinion, I believe whenever and wherever we go into confrontation with the "shadows" - we win, we gain, we grow ! shadow - just a reflection of light.. light just a reflection of god.. god just love..
but yes Gav is really missing, but still I do and want to believe that he`ll be back before the book-read is finished, and then everything will be cleared up. My dream-recall is wobbling from lots to nothing, but if, then intensively. Speaking for myself I can say that I still do appreciate the book and most of all the communication about the whole thing with you guys. This "whole thing" in the meanwhile has become really weird, thats true, but still I do feel this whole thing as a kind of metaphysical process we got into. I may change my mind one day, dont know, but untill now I`d like to move on. But nevertheless also Blake anyways in one of his posts right after Gav had disappeared, had proposed that we could stop the reading, or make a break, or do anything different than the original plan was. So - we are really free to decide new whenever we or one of us feels like, this is very important I feel, cause neither we are under a force nor we have to be stubborn. So Im taking that very serious if i.e. Linda you or anybody and myself included wouldnt feel anymore comfortable with the book or work or what. Maybe Incubus didnt want anymore, I dont know, he didnt reply to my pm anymore, I hope very much he is well - but if it would be the book-work he didnt like anymore then it would be a pity that he didnt have told, because we could have find another way to work together or stop or have a break together. But okay till now I dont know, same thing again. So please everybody keep on telling how you feel with the whole thing and I`ll do that too. Loveya soul-fellows, lgn
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Post by existenceisadream on Oct 21, 2005 19:56:32 GMT -5
I'm continuing with the book no matter what but like I said I'm a few chapters behind but I don't want to rush through them to catch up because I want to use every chapter in my dreaming so I think I'll just keep going at my own pace because that's seem to work so far. I'll keep posting my results. I'm actually about to start the 6th chapter right now before taking a power nap so chances are I'm in for another "experience" today.
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Post by crazycat on Oct 22, 2005 1:35:47 GMT -5
Existenceisadream, thanks for your post. I agree and feel about the same way. Even though the book is kind of worded weird and I don't know if I'm understanding it right, it is defiantly not going to stop me from trying to have OBEs. I have already experienced my run in with a creature thing several years ago and got over being afraid of it. This is going on about my fourth year of having OBEs and I have done a lot of reading. The terms used in CC books, I'm just not use too. It seems like when everyone starts out they have to face (the term I like to use) the watcher of the threshold and get past that. I've never experience an alien being, I don't think, unless that sphere being in my tunnel OBE was one. That one scared me, only because it came at me at such a fast speed and startled me.
I am going to finish reading where I'm at I guess and if I get done before you I will go back and go over it again while you catch up with us. If the others agree I would not mind going back to chapter 6 where you are at and go slower through it. I think Blake was having trouble keeping up. I don't know what happened with Incubus, I was enjoying reading his dream experiences.
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Post by existenceisadream on Oct 22, 2005 3:13:55 GMT -5
Cool Crazycat! Yea I just don't want to be hurried now that I'm so behind though I read all of chapter 6 today before taking a power nap and I was surprised to wake up after about 30 minutes of sleep with absolutely no dream recall at all. I really expected an OBE or LD related to the material but got nothing at all. I think maybe we should all just go at our own pace till completion of the book because it kind of seems like that's kind of how it's gone anyways. Then maybe after we've all finished the book we can go back over the material. I talked to Incubus in a PM not too long ago and he was pretty overwhelmed with school and stuff so I'm not sure what happened to him. I think maybe he just needed or needs all the energy and focus he can get to wards school other things and maybe this project let alone keeping up with the forum just doesn't fit right now. Hopefully he'll be back later As far as Gav goes I hope everything is fine with him and his wife because it's just too strange to up and disappear like that because he put a lot of work into starting this group project. Even if his computer did crash I'm sure he could use another to at least let us know they're all right and keep us sort of informed. I'm beginning to really feel something bad has happened so I hope I'm wrong.
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Post by nani on Oct 23, 2005 15:43:23 GMT -5
I agree Linda and Existencisadream, we just go on with the book each in his own pace, and share and write down here whatever seems interesting to us, and when the so called "official time" like in 4 weeks is over then we just re-read the chapters, I have to do this anyways, cause its already my second time reading it and I still couldnt really understand it lol. So like you both are saying, when we all are through once at least then we can start to work partially or specified over the content again, if we wish. Im not good at writing today, nothing happened, just bad concentration, so I`ll keep it short.. and yes I now finally also agree on that something bad must have happened to Gav.. otherwise he would have let us known.. but though at the moment I feel like we only can support him, Kirsty and Jo in continuing.. I dont know why I mean this or how I mean this.. its just weird.. so I try keepn`thinkn`positive`, lgn
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Post by sxy on Oct 24, 2005 5:50:34 GMT -5
Existencisadream,,, me too . Just reading , , on.....glad you are with us still....
I had hoped for more discussions,I did not think that I too , would be so busy and lose my dreams...poor me , but I want to finish the book so I can reread it from the start,and hope to have good talks if the following days with you and others,....hi Nani ,hi CrazyCat...
~SXY~
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Post by Blake on Oct 27, 2005 19:41:11 GMT -5
Hey everyone, I just wanted to say that I spoke with Gav and he'll be back as soon as he can. It seems he had some sort of dispute with his internet comany (and phone company or something) about fees so he got shut off for the last two months. He's not hooked up to the internet again yet, but hopefully soon.
He also went through some changes with his work and wrote from there but he said that unfortunately they monitor his internet time... and who knows how any employer would feel about someone surfing occult sites : )
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Post by sxy on Oct 28, 2005 2:56:15 GMT -5
How very true ....Blake ! Hi Thanks for telling us , Great news ..! A bit of hope does go a long way, Internet should be free anyway ..! lol ... ;D ~SXY~
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Post by crazycat on Oct 31, 2005 1:17:13 GMT -5
The following is from the 10th chapter and it is Don Juan speaking to Carlos and Carol after their dream journey together.
He explained that since we entered into that world with all our physicality, the fixation of our assemblage points on the position preselected by the inorganic beings was so overpowering that it created a sort of fog that obliterated any momery of the world we came from,......
"Think about this," he urged us. "Perhaps this is axactly what is happening to all of us in the world of daily life. We are here, and the fixation of our assemblage point is so overpowering that it has made us forget where we came from, and what our purpose was for coming here.
Hehe! this brought to my mind about David Icke's theory that alien being have us trapped here in 3D space time by controlling out minds. That could be a possiblity. eh!
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Post by sxy on Oct 31, 2005 2:49:53 GMT -5
He he ,,,LOL.... > I have to snicker,,,!! ~with a bit of old memories,old posts and the first day I came across David Icke's name and articles,,,we seem to have come full circle,the same ideas return, to be looked at once again, ? humm.......
Does need to be asked ;"why are we here" ?,> In this world , and {who and what if any} are these Aliens..?
~sxy~
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Post by nani on Oct 31, 2005 9:24:25 GMT -5
hey guys, yeahs me too I`ve read the 10th chap. yesterday evening before sleep. I dont know about Davic Icke and neither about aliens, but it seems reasonable to me that there must be quite a lot of higher developed beings in this universe.. but then I think.. that surely they themselves are Not our creators.. they also have just to follow and respect the universal-spiritual-laws.. so for me they are not very powerful or the less ruling us, maybe influencing and being influenced through our human development, yes surely! But this are my beliefs only, I`ve never met any, although I as a child was calling for them every night to please carry me lol, not because I had a sad childhood, just because I`ve found it much more exciting to explore something worth outside this boring and cruel world.
The 10th chapter.. I`ve wondered again.. how comes that both are going into the other world without drugs, meditation or any other input? I dont understand that. Are they supposed to be such advanced, that they can switch dimensions like that?
Haha and Linda, did you realize in this chapter that we girls are not such interesting for the inorganic-beings.. hehehe, so we rather should put more effort in it to get them.. lol
Great that Gav, Kirsty and Jo will be back soon, I`ll do an extra-thread for their return, so its not overlooked by the ones who maybe pass by briefly only.
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Post by ~¤LilacSky¤~ on Nov 6, 2005 18:23:14 GMT -5
wow I feel bad I got way behind on this study, I had many things going on, but it has slowed down for me a bit, so I plan on trying to catch up with you guys, Im happy to see you guys are still partaking in this reading though, and yeah it will be great to have gav,kirsty and jo back!
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Post by existenceisadream on Jul 29, 2006 1:04:51 GMT -5
So Gav where you at? You posted awhile back that you're going to put in your final thouhts and a summary of the book. Was looking forward to reading it. If you still want to I'd appreciate it but if you got other things going on that just doesn't give you the time for it I understand.
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Post by firefly on Aug 18, 2006 4:21:04 GMT -5
Very interesting to me is chapter 6, inorganics world.
The nagual Rosendo intends for his apprentices Elias and the love of his life Amalia, to enter into the world of the inorganics, and so summons a scout. The scout then takes them physically into the inorganics world, while they were making love in the closet. Rosendo had to follow, to rescue them. The result was that Elias' and Amalia's AP was permantly partially fixated into their world.
The existence of the inorganics are extremely taxing on the rationality of a sorceror, and can easily crush one's mind, if one is not extremely careful. Physical travel into their world is insanity at its highest, it simply can not be, yet is.
Rosendo's weakness was his confidence, in thinking he had such strong control over them. Their concern is too please, and to teach, but ultimately to keep.
This chapter has sharpened my senses, and humbled my confidence.
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